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Oil prospects in the Celtic Sea

  • 24-04-2011 11:34AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭


    Hunt for $1 trillion worth of Irish oil to begin

    THE largest concerted oil and gas drilling campaign ever carried out off the coast of Ireland will begin this summer in search of reserves which a government study has suggested could be worth as much as $1 trillion at current prices.

    Irish company Providence Resources is one of several Irish companies who are leading the exploration.

    It has just secured a rig for its well programme in the Celtic Sea off the south coast, while Lansdowne Oil and Gas have begun to use sophisticated 3D survey equipment to pinpoint potential commercial fields.

    Providence will shortly begin its drilling in the Celtic Sea’s Barryroe field which forms part of an ambitious $500 million project that will see it sink 10 wells in two years.

    Lansdowne Oil and Gas, one of Providence’s partners in Barryroe, is also targeting fields in the Celtic Sea, hoping to extract 118 million barrels of oil or gas from the Amergin, Rosscarbery and Middleton licence areas.


    http://www.lansdowneoilandgas.com/operations.htm

    http://www.providenceresources.com/sel-207.aspx

    Anyone think this offers much hope? Given the potential I'd have expected a bit more interest in this story but its largely been overlooked in the media.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    As long as our corrupt bastard politicians don't give it away at a knock down price - I think it's quite exciting myself.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Cost of exploration and drilling vs price of a barrel of oil. At the moment, the reward justifies the expenditure and this is also why west of Shetland and Barents Sea are also being opened up. However, these are still extremely inhospitable areas to work in, but currently worth the effort and expanse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    $1 trillion, how does that figure arise?

    Seems suspiciously round, doesn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    later10 wrote: »
    $1 trillion, how does that figure arise?

    Seems suspiciously round, doesn't it?

    back of the envelope calculations they seem, 10 billion barrels at 100$ per barrel or so is a trillion, came from here most likely
    The likelihood is that oil prices will reach $100 a barrel again this year. That would put the potential value of Ireland’s offshore energy resources at a 1,000 billion dollars. This is the only figure one can cite in relation to Ireland that makes the bank debts look small.

    10 billion barrels is about the amount that is contained at ANWR for comparison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Hmm this is a bit misleading. It might be worth a trillion dollars right now but that's only because of the current price of oil. If that fell, the total value of these reserves would fall too. And let's not forget, it takes oil to get oil and even then, it takes a long time to find an drill for what may be there.

    I've heard so much about oil yet all it seems to be is talk. It would be a fine thing indeed if we could have an oil industry like Norway but I just don't think it will happen, the truth of irish reserves is just too wrapped up in inflated claimed so I can't take it seriously.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The price of oil is only going one way /\


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    This would give fairly permanent credence to the whole "luck of the Irish" thing if it turns out to be real. Economy run into a hole? Not a bother lads, we just found a trillion at the end of a drill-bit shaped rainbow, will you take cash or cheque?

    More seriously though, its a big risk and the ones needing the luck will be the exploration companies, so best wishes to them, most of these expeditions come back empty handed. Have they already agreed the taxation and royalty clauses with the government, or are they waiting until after a significant find is struck? Or just operating under the general aegis of existing legislation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    mike65 wrote: »
    The price of houses oil is only going one way /\

    Then invest in it if its such a sure bet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Okay then you compare prospects of houses with outlook for oil for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    This would give fairly permanent credence to the whole "luck of the Irish" thing if it turns out to be real. Economy run into a hole? Not a bother lads, we just found a trillion at the end of a drill-bit shaped rainbow, will you take cash or cheque?

    More seriously though, its a big risk and the ones needing the luck will be the exploration companies, so best wishes to them, most of these expeditions come back empty handed. Have they already agreed the taxation and royalty clauses with the government, or are they waiting until after a significant find is struck? Or just operating under the general aegis of existing legislation?

    "luck of the Irish" and "big risk" me hole!! ye do realise providence is Tony O Reilly ya?!? a well informed (too well informed on some matters like above!) man who is part of a closed circle of people who has known about very real oil reserves for a long time at this stage.

    when they do start to drill the oil reserves they own the only ones to benefit from the billion barrels will be them, their family and close friends, fcuking FACT!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    mike65 wrote: »
    Anyone think this offers much hope? Given the potential I'd have expected a bit more interest in this story but its largely been overlooked in the media.
    They have drilled since the 70s with out finding anything significant and put down 150 odd holes. Now they put down another 10 and think they will hit gold? Those are some pretty long odds...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The old Atlantic Resources Recession Busting Scam is still going almost 30 years later except that a new generation of O Reillys are in the driving seat. In fact Atlantic Resources had such a bad name they changed it to Providence Resources.

    Providence has been resolutely useless at bringing commercial oil to market in the 30 years since it was founded in 1981.

    Only difference nowadays is we get the hype twice a year instead of every two years :(

    http://www.ise.ie/app/equityHGraph.asp?INSTRUMENT_ID=74651


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭WalterMitty


    Even if there was a trillion out there and prices stayed at current levels, how much would it cost to extract? You hear BoydBarrett types spouting nonsense about all our problems being sorted with our offshore energy stocks but it is in most likelyhood a pipedream.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Well if it can't be done at a profit the oil stays in the ground. Thats self evident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭man.about.town


    Nody wrote: »
    They have drilled since the 70s with out finding anything significant and put down 150 odd holes. Now they put down another 10 and think they will hit gold? Those are some pretty long odds...

    not really, the technology has advanced, it is deep sea wells they are trying this time as deep as the deep sea hoirizon well in the gulf. they could only drill 30% of the dept last time they tried in the 70's, thats why there is new hope. however, as seen in the gulf, this practice is risky and the irish sea in all its glory is a hell of alot worse than the gulf


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Very interesting discussion on the Barryroe ...emm 'field' if you can call it that here earlier this year. It is a likely fragmented reservoir below a known fragmented reservoir...that is the Seven Heads Field Gas Field developed by Ramco in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭eigrod


    whoopdedoo wrote: »
    when they do start to drill the oil reserves they own the only ones to benefit from the billion barrels will be them, their family and close friends, fcuking FACT!

    Indeed. They will give the minnions jobs , some tax relief and 120% mortgages and convince us that the good times are here forever and in return we will vote them in election after election after election.

    Then it will all come tumbling down like a house of cards and we'll be told we were all to blame.

    Meanwhile, the chosen few will be in the Caymans counting their money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    eigrod wrote: »

    Meanwhile, the chosen few will be in the Caymans counting their money.
    chosen by whom?

    Irish people need to get over their serf complex tbh, and stop pretending that opportunity and wealth is beyond their supposedly innocent, unassuming, humble ara-shure-wat-would-i-know-about-money self pity. This attitude seriously pisses me off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    later10 wrote: »
    Irish people need to get over their serf complex tbh, and stop pretending that opportunity and wealth is beyond their supposedly innocent, unassuming, humble ara-shure-wat-would-i-know-about-money self pity. This attitude seriously pisses me off.
    You've your parties muddled up I'm afraid, this particular train of thought is the spawn of the political far left/conspiracy theory gallery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭eigrod


    later10 wrote: »
    chosen by whom?

    Irish people need to get over their serf complex tbh, and stop pretending that opportunity and wealth is beyond their supposedly innocent, unassuming, humble ara-shure-wat-would-i-know-about-money self pity. This attitude seriously pisses me off.

    I cannot agree.

    It depends on how you define Opportunity and wealth though. I firmly believe that all most people want is enough, maybe a little more than enough, to lead a good quality of life. A quality of life without boredom and with a purpose to getting up every day and doing a decent days work.

    Of course there are a number (significant enough) who don't want to do that and want to be provided for by the State.

    But then there is the number (again, a significant number) who are greedy, who want far more than 'enough'. In my opinion it is these that fuelled the problems we are now paying for. Perhaps "Chosen few" is an incorrect description, but there was undeniably a coctail that existed (and still exist) in banks, politics and business that went on a get (personally) rich quick roadtrip that should not have been allowed to happen. They were clever enough to ensure that all boats rose in the tide, hence the cocktail was allowed to stay together for far longer than it should have been.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    eigrod wrote: »
    I cannot agree.

    It depends on how you define Opportunity and wealth though. I firmly believe that all most people want is enough, maybe a little more than enough, to lead a good quality of life. A quality of life without boredom and with a purpose to getting up every day and doing a decent days work.

    Of course there are a number (significant enough) who don't want to do that and want to be provided for by the State.

    But then there is the number (again, a significant number) who are greedy, who want far more than 'enough'. In my opinion it is these that fuelled the problems we are now paying for. Perhaps "Chosen few" is an incorrect description, but there was undeniably a coctail that existed (and still exist) in banks, politics and business that went on a get (personally) rich quick roadtrip that should not have been allowed to happen. They were clever enough to ensure that all boats rose in the tide, hence the cocktail was allowed to stay together for far longer than it should have been.
    This is exactly the kind of attitude from which we need to release ourselves. The idea that there is a somehow universal understanding of “enough“ is ludicrous enough... it is also unworkable and unnecessarily inhibitory. Why shouldnt I want helicopters and horses in my future, why shouldnt I want to see South America and the North Pole in the same week if I could afford it. We have forgotten the joy in money, the stuff is terrific fun. It is best enjoyed copiously in my opinion. I want to gather and blow as much of it as is humanly possible over my anticipated years on this planetç and like many others, dont particularly appreciate that being referred to as greed by people who seem to believe that there ought to be a prescribed limit on money - or fun, as one natural extension.

    Besides, we are human beings - wonderfully unsatisfied creatures, and rightly so. We didnt leave our more lethargic and unambitious siblings deep inside the caves, nor seek out frontiers beyond the swamp to be satisfied with “enough“.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I'm not impressed with all this talk of drilling for oil. My home is in the west of Ireland. I have moved abroad to Asia to escape recession and make a few bob.

    Yet one of the things I appreciate about Ireland far more now than when I lived there is that Ireland is truely alive. The grass, the sea and the mountains, the fresh air.

    I am in Asia. It's all dead. So, so many people. Pollution everywhere. The grass can barely fecking grow. There aren't even any birds in this dead place. There are few farms. THose that do exist keep their animals inside in appauling factory conditions.

    Why am I saying all this? I believe our fish and our environment is more important than any oil. It would break my heart if some oil company spilt oil in the ocean off Donegal and killed all the fish.

    I see no benefit and only drawbacks of oil exploration.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭hairy sailor


    creeper1 wrote: »
    I'm not impressed with all this talk of drilling for oil. My home is in the west of Ireland. I have moved abroad to Asia to escape recession and make a few bob.

    Yet one of the things I appreciate about Ireland far more now than when I lived there is that Ireland is truely alive. The grass, the sea and the mountains, the fresh air.

    I am in Asia. It's all dead. So, so many people. Pollution everywhere. The grass can barely fecking grow. There aren't even any birds in this dead place. There are few farms. THose that do exist keep their animals inside in appauling factory conditions.

    Why am I saying all this? I believe our fish and our environment is more important than any oil. It would break my heart if some oil company spilt oil in the ocean off Donegal and killed all the fish.

    I see no benefit and only drawbacks of oil exploration.

    I fly over parts of east scotland in a chopper on my way home from work off a oil rig & i have to say it's beautiful beaches & countryside & no sign of pollution after decades of drilling & gas production which has created 10's of thousands of jobs & is giving me a excellent standard of living at home while unfortunately the rest of ireland sink's.I'd love to see the an oil boom here with the thousands of highly paid jobs for normal joe soaps like me & my son in the future.there's guy's out here earning £40,000 sterling a year for sweeping deck's.you can't live & pay the bill's on beautiful scenery as you found out the hard way by emergrating,maybe it might be the only way for you to come home to your family some day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    mike65 wrote: »
    Okay then you compare prospects of houses with outlook for oil for me.

    The main difference, I suppose, is that when you sell a house "off plans", there is at least a reasonable expectation that your purchase will in fact turn out to be a usable house, as opposed to, say, a doll's house, a house broken up into a thousand pieces, or nothing at all.

    The article you cited could equally well be titled "small oil company claims enormous prospects on the basis of very little indeed" - except that 20% of Providence is owned by a media baron, and that's the only solid figure involved.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Things are not helped by the low grade of moron that writes in Irish newspapers.

    Even if 1 billion barrels were found in a decent reservoir the recoverability factor will be betwen 10% and 25%. The first thing you do with any reservoir is write off 75%.

    Yet the average gobsh1te Irish Journalist ( and Shell to Sea) count it all as recoverable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭WalterMitty


    later10 wrote: »
    This is exactly the kind of attitude from which we need to release ourselves. The idea that there is a somehow universal understanding of “enough“ is ludicrous enough... it is also unworkable and unnecessarily inhibitory. Why shouldnt I want helicopters and horses in my future, why shouldnt I want to see South America and the North Pole in the same week if I could afford it. We have forgotten the joy in money, the stuff is terrific fun. It is best enjoyed copiously in my opinion. I want to gather and blow as much of it as is humanly possible over my anticipated years on this planetç and like many others, dont particularly appreciate that being referred to as greed by people who seem to believe that there ought to be a prescribed limit on money - or fun, as one natural extension.

    Besides, we are human beings - wonderfully unsatisfied creatures, and rightly so. We didnt leave our more lethargic and unambitious siblings deep inside the caves, nor seek out frontiers beyond the swamp to be satisfied with “enough“.
    Well the resources of the earth are limited and humans get easily bored with current situation and want more. When a guy gets his dream car, theres always a newer one a few months later that catches his eye. Any pleasure that is bought with money is short lived and ultimately frustrating. It is the desire of all the billions of poor on this planet to live like americans that will see the earth destroyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Well the resources of the earth are limited and humans get easily bored with current situation and want more. When a guy gets his dream car, theres always a newer one a few months later that catches his eye. Any pleasure that is bought with money is short lived and ultimately frustrating. It is the desire of all the billions of poor on this planet to live like americans that will see the earth destroyed.

    That is unfortunately the case. To the extent that it can be done without that happening, though, it can and should be done. The argument against increasing global wealth is practical, not moral.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,891 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    We will probably strike black gold just in time for the IMF/EU/ECB/Germany/France to say thanks lads, thats us all square now.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Well the resources of the earth are limited and humans get easily bored with current situation and want more. When a guy gets his dream car, theres always a newer one a few months later that catches his eye. Any pleasure that is bought with money is short lived and ultimately frustrating. It is the desire of all the billions of poor on this planet to live like americans that will see the earth destroyed.

    Yes because everyone deserves to live in poverty and toil in muck:(

    Wishing to improve ones life and provide better life for ones children is what has dragged humans out of caves, now its somehow a "dirty" concept.

    Tho I am not suprised that some environmentalists would see nothing better than for humanity to "return to nature" :rolleyes:

    Increasing global standards of living is the best thing that could be done for the planet, more prosperous countries have lower birth rates often below replacement, leveling and eventually falling population would help the planet, keeping people poor will only ensure things get worse for us and the environment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    It is the desire of all the billions of poor on this planet to live like americans that will see the earth destroyed.
    No, it is not so much their desire to live in this manner that will see the earth destroyed, the earth would be destroyed if their desire were ever to be realised.

    There must be rich, and there must be poor. I am not advancing an argument that blank cheques be written for anybody or that suitcases of cash be sprinkled from helicopters, by any means. I'm saying that in my opinion, aspiring to anything productive, including wealth, is to be encouraged. We should celebrate money, just as we celebrate knowledge for all the good that it too can do and for all of the joy it can inspire. To simply condemn wealth is as ignorant as to unreasonably condemn Proust, or Joyce, or indeed human progress itself.


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