The thread formally titled: We are the new South America

iamstop · 20-04-2011 08:34PM #1

Firstly read this:
http://www.drogheda-independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/selloff-plan-for-stateowned-firms-2625714.html

The headline at least.

Sell-off plan for state-owned firms

I was saying this the very minute the bailout plan was being floated. I was telling people that what they did in parts of Asia, SA and Africa is to loan them money to pay their countries companies to build infrastructure.
Once the inevitable happens, loan can't be paid offer to take their assets as payment. :mad:

Agh, I'm so mad, it's so frikkin' obvious. It's just happening quicker then I thought. I'm SO outta here before the summer is up.
I was going to wait about for EP but now...I just don't know if I can. :mad:

strobe · 20-04-2011 08:38PM

You're right of course but people will only make smart comments here and accuse you of being paranoid or a conspiracy nut.

skelliser · 20-04-2011 08:42PM

i started a similar thread about ireland becoming debt slaves lastnite but alas no one wants to hear about it!

go figure!

btw guess who will be the people to buy up our assests?! the very same gangsters that screwed us during the bubble!

Namlub · 20-04-2011 08:48PM

iamstop wrote: »

Firstly read this:
http://www.drogheda-independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/selloff-plan-for-stateowned-firms-2625714.html

The headline at least.

Sell-off plan for state-owned firms

I was saying this the very minute the bailout plan was being floated. I was telling people that what they did in parts of Asia, SA and Africa is to loan them money to pay their countries companies to build infrastructure.
Once the inevitable happens, loan can't be paid offer to take their assets as payment. :mad:

Agh, I'm so mad, it's so frikkin' obvious. It's just happening quicker then I thought. I'm SO outta here before the summer is up.
I was going to wait about for EP but now...I just don't know if I can. :mad:

This is exactly why we're not the new South America

krudler · 20-04-2011 08:48PM

tequila and donkey shows for all!

iamstop · 20-04-2011 08:57PM

Namlub wrote: »

This is exactly why we're not the new South America

Eh? Why exactly? 'Cos I have the option to leave? Or because there is a festival on? You think there are no festivals in SA?

Hookah · 20-04-2011 09:02PM

I watched 'South of the Border' the other evening.

Excellent documentary.

If we are the new South America then I hope we do what a succession of leaders there have done and tell the IMF where to go.

I suspect there'll be a lot of pain before that ever happens.

Canis Lupus · 20-04-2011 09:04PM

Will I have to learn Spanish?

Namlub · 20-04-2011 09:04PM

iamstop wrote: »

Eh? Why exactly? 'Cos I have the option to leave? Or because there is a festival on? You think there are no festivals in SA?

First world problem tbh

Dudess · 20-04-2011 09:06PM

No, we're not. If you're going to get tetchy because you're being disagreed with, it doesn't change the fact. We're not "the new South America".

hmmm · 20-04-2011 09:06PM

Just like South America we also seem to have plenty of left wing loons.

iamstop · 20-04-2011 09:13PM

Dudess wrote: »

No, we're not. If you're going to get tetchy because you're being disagreed with, it doesn't change the fact. We're not "the new South America".

Not tetchy, just like when people who disagree with something explain WHY they disagree. I'm all for this to be a level headed debate. I even implore it.

Obviously I meant us being the new SA figuratively. Roll eyes to anyone who takes it literally. I actually tried to edit the heading right after but can't. It was written in an angry and disappointed state.

I'm hungry and cranky I guess. Doesn't change the fact that we are basically getting kicked while we are down. Exploited to the point where we will have nothing left at all and when a huge oil find occurs it will be taken of us as interest payment on debt we shouldn't even have.

Gummy Panda · 20-04-2011 09:14PM

krudler wrote: »

tequila and donkey shows for all!

I like the way you think!

Hookah · 20-04-2011 09:15PM

iamstop wrote: »

I actually tried to edit the heading right after but can't. It was written in an angry and disappointed state.

Click on edit, then on 'Go advanced' and you should be able to edit the title.

AckwelFoley · 20-04-2011 09:16PM

Bollox

I will believe it when i see hot women and we have a decent national football team

Hookah · 20-04-2011 09:17PM

iamstop wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that we are basically getting kicked while we are down. Exploited to the point where we will have nothing left at all and when a huge oil find occurs it will be taken of us as interest payment on debt we shouldn't even have.

I've read Greg Palasts 'Armed Madhouse' and 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' (of which there's also a doc) and it's scary what the IMF do to countries who are in hock.

It's a comin', folks.

southsiderosie · 20-04-2011 09:49PM

hmmm wrote: »

Just like South America we also seem to have plenty of left wing loons.

Actually, I'd say Ireland isn't like South America precisely because the Irish left is relatively weak and has little to no mobilization capacity. The socialist left will never get within sniffing distance of real power in Ireland.

Krusader · 20-04-2011 09:54PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Actually, I'd say Ireland isn't like South America precisely because the Irish left is relatively weak and has little to no mobilization capacity. The socialist left will never get within sniffing distance of real power in Ireland.

That's true but they will be the catalyst for change.

Hookah · 20-04-2011 09:55PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Actually, I'd say Ireland isn't like South America precisely because the Irish left is relatively weak and has little to no mobilization capacity. The socialist left will never get within sniffing distance of real power in Ireland.

A few years of economic pillage will change that.

Solnskaya · 20-04-2011 09:56PM

Dropped wife to airport yesterday, airport was so deserted it was unreal - never seen it quieter, ever. I think things are a lot worse in Ireland than is let on, but lets see how it plays out. Personally I think the next three years will be rough, but then it will get a lot worse. A lot of companies are burning savings at an alarming rate, when they run out, the fun will really begin. Same goes for families.

squod · 20-04-2011 10:09PM

Gonna start a right wing group with a view to recruiting impressionable young men. It's gonna be the next big thing for sure. I'll have to think up a name.........

iamstop · 20-04-2011 10:10PM

I wasn't exactly trying to make another doom and gloom thread, kinda of a 'wake up and see how we are getting shafted' thread but now I'm just kinda wondering - "Whats the point?" We are screwed beyond belief and FG are not going to change that, even if they could.
So I'm saying they can't, it's too late. Everything will be sold of at a fraction of what it is worth. Bottomless pit of debt.
I think I'm lucky that I've no house and kids. I can jump ship with relative ease, but I genuinely feel bad for those who can't. It's no wonder everyone if fecking off to Oz.

My name is URL · 20-04-2011 10:13PM

Solnskaya wrote: »

Dropped wife to airport yesterday, airport was so deserted it was unreal - never seen it quieter, ever. I think things are a lot worse in Ireland than is let on, but lets see how it plays out. Personally I think the next three years will be rough, but then it will get a lot worse. A lot of companies are burning savings at an alarming rate, when they run out, the fun will really begin. Same goes for families.

There's the problem right there. People in this country are too slow to react.. and when they do eventually react they don't do so vocally enough.

These assets are not being sold off for the benefit of the people of this country. They're being sold to continue the futile effort to save a collapsed financial system. The apathy and the willingness from most people to be fcuked over is unreal.

ilovesleep · 20-04-2011 10:24PM

Fcuking great! We'll be stitching footballs for a living with our tits hanging out.

ilovesleep · 20-04-2011 10:27PM

I watched a documentry during the xmas about money and the way its made and how it eventually leads to debt slavery. The documentry was about 1920/1930s america. So much of it rang home here to ireland though

southsiderosie · 20-04-2011 10:28PM

Crosáidí wrote: »

That's true but they will be the catalyst for change.

Hookah wrote: »

A few years of economic pillage will change that.

Ireland has been an economic basketcase for most of its modern history. Why do you think the public reaction to the current situation will be any different?

Krusader · 20-04-2011 10:48PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Ireland has been an economic basketcase for most of its modern history. Why do you think the public reaction to the current situation will be any different?

Because we are not the generations that went before us, we are educated, driven and have dreams and aspirations. Over 100 years ago the people said enough is enough and we had the 1913 Lockout then the Easter Rising, with more austerity measures coming ahead, the people again will voice their anger, this is happening already with the unions last week

Capt'n Midnight · 20-04-2011 11:57PM

we are more like a sub-saharan African country, and I don't mean South Africa or Botswanna :mad:

andrew · 21-04-2011 12:05AM

It's a good thing I think. Why should the government be running businesses?

mickydoomsux · 21-04-2011 12:10AM

Solnskaya wrote: »

Dropped wife to airport yesterday, airport was so deserted it was unreal - never seen it quieter, ever

But what of the bajillions of people who are reportedly leaving the country every day?

The must all be walking to Australia for a glamorous life of bar work...... or i could be, you know, utter bull****.

Krusader · 21-04-2011 12:10AM

andrew wrote: »

It's a good thing I think. Why should the government be running businesses?

Because they are the resources of this country and therefore belong to the people of this country to reap the benefits, the majority of them do turn a profit

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