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  • #32
    conor.hogan.2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    Odd why do I see an ad in the cs dept in UCD for a web site designer?

    There is places for both and students from each are better at varying aspects of the other.


  • #33
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    conor.hogan.2 wrote: »
    Odd why do I see an ad in the cs dept in UCD for a web site designer?...

    With all the CS students doing Web design, they need someone for Polymorphism.


  • #34
    Feckfox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Feckfox


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Hi,

    Curious.

    Is there somewhere you can go with website ideas.

    Obviously 1) most are are just rubish ideas or 2) are just too expensive to pursue.

    But how can you find out if it is rubbish or if someone would be willing to come onboard for a share and help with the development side.

    I assume this is a common enough query?

    If you cant programme or dont have €20K to pay someone should you just forget your idea or is there a path to follow?

    I have had interest in the idea but not from someone who can actually programme and I wouldnt like to risk someone elses money. Even if I did get the money for the development I assume there is a constant requirement for funds to keep a website upto date and free of issue.

    Any help apprieciated.

    Thanks

    Getting back on track for the OP's sake.
    • Is this a business?
    • Is this a website you would like to use?

    If it has the potential to make money and you want to go down that road, write up a business plan and try contact a developer to co-found it with you. Remember that you have to bring something to the table too, not just a one-off idea.

    Money makers:
    Ads - Boards.ie and most blogs run off these. To make any sort of money off ads, you need to have a large audience.

    Subscriptions - I don't use any subscription based sites but I am sure others do. rememberthemilk.com is a to-do list application which I think survives off a subscription service.

    Selling stuff - Online retailer like Amazon or something like a deal service like citydeal and boardsdeals. Or letting users sell stuff and taking a cut of the profits (ebay).

    Other - you might be able to think of something else.

    Phone apps are another revenue source. You have to decide to give them away free with ads or charge for them.

    ---

    If it's just something you want to use, share the idea everywhere you can and hope someone makes it. Then you can use it! :pac:


  • #35
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    I have had a few indian and chinesse development companies through boards .ie.

    They have offered to get involved and develope and price - but very few details shuch as how this happens etc.

    Are these conn jobs or real options if you need development.

    If they are how do you explain what you want.


  • #36
    Enda_of_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Enda_of_Eire


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    I have had a few indian and chinesse development companies through boards .ie.

    They have offered to get involved and develope and price - but very few details shuch as how this happens etc.

    Are these conn jobs or real options if you need development.

    If they are how do you explain what you want.

    Well if I was you I would just look up tutorials on the web and take it as a hobby. Web design is fun and easy to learn, and as you said you're idea is not a world beater. Theirs no money to be made from affiliate ads etc from my own experience. I had a site when I was younger that was getting 40,000 hits a week and it made nothing to speak of.

    You would be surprised at the low number of hits you're website will probably get in the first year.

    So before spending money I'd recommend you try to make it yourself, even with the use of something like Joomla and take it piece by piece in tutorials. My friend was able to use joomla and photoshop superbly after 8 night time classes, the material in these classes he said was comparatable with 3 hours of Youtube tutorials (15 a piece for both topics, covered everything he needed, and he passed the tests at the end thanks to them).


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  • #37
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Any recommendations on a corurse.

    How long does it take to get trained to be a web developer - do you need to do a 4 year degree to get a job

    Or is there respected 1 year courses. (as in an employer will employ you)


  • #38
    Enda_of_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Enda_of_Eire


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Any recommendations on a corurse.

    How long does it take to get trained to be a web developer - do you need to do a 4 year degree to get a job

    Or is there respected 1 year courses. (as in an employer will employ you)

    For web design companies here in cork, well they charge €500-€1000 per 5 page website, which to me is a ripoff if you seen their work. I wen't through the source of some of the more expensive ones, and in one of the Javascript files were two comments, one was "HMM KEEP GETTING ERROR HERE???" - He was missing a second = for a simple if comparison, the second comment (on a seperate companies past work website - no prices on website) was a comment saying something infotech (I wont name companies here) but it was an Indian web design outsourcing company, so they had outsourced the work.

    Anyway the point is the level is fairly crap atleast here in Cork, I know one of the companies emailed my college looking for good students who had some spare time. Guessing they want cheap labour like they do by outsourcing.

    I wouldn't go down this route in life unless you aim to be a really good web designer/ developer and worth employing over a student or being outsourced. To get to the level most people seem to be at I would say some basic classes and a lot of practice. To get really good, a few modules @ degree level and a thousand of hours of practice in you're own time. Its fun and easy, but this is compared to other things we learn @ degree level, not overall. My friend who took the 8 classes, hes not good enough to be employed. Hes good enough to make ok sites as hobbies.

    Maybe others have better and more informed advice tho.


  • #39
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Well lets forget web design - what about software design.

    Just want to change career - a bit too old for a new 4 year degree.

    I have had a few indian and chinesse development companies through boards .ie.

    They have offered to get involved and develope and price - but very few details shuch as how this happens etc.

    Are these conn jobs or real options if you need development.

    If they are how do you explain what you want


  • #40
    but43r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭but43r


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Well lets forget web design - what about software design.

    Just want to change career - a bit too old for a new 4 year degree.

    I have had a few indian and chinesse development companies through boards .ie.

    They have offered to get involved and develope and price - but very few details shuch as how this happens etc.

    Are these conn jobs or real options if you need development.

    If they are how do you explain what you want

    Are you still on your original question or has this thread gone in completely different direction?? :confused::confused::confused:


  • #41
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    +1. You need to decide what you want to do here. Its start a business, build website as a hobby, or become a developer, designer. I don't think you know yourself which makes it hard for anyone else to answer for you.

    This may not be directly relevent, but you might find it interesting.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69929616&postcount=11

    There are some great Indian developers and companies, some say they will make most indigenousness software development redundant simply because they can be much cheaper. (I don't agree with that completely myself) However there are bad Indian developers, too. Just as there are good and bad Irish ones. So But you are way ahead of yourself thinking about that. You need to work out what you want to do.

    At the end of the day it will come down to budget. If you don't have one then developing a live site yourself, getting it wrong, and fixing it will teach you a lot. You are what you do.


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  • #42
    swordofislam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭swordofislam


    My experience of Chinese software development companies is very bad. That said Easeus are Chinese and they make a good product. My experience of outsourced development in India is quite positive. That said unless you know what you want you cannot get what you want.


  • #43
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Enda_of_Eire wrote: »
    For web design companies here in cork, well they charge €500-€1000 per 5 page website, which to me is a ripoff if you seen their work.
    The usual reason that €500-€1000 is charged is that commercial websites make far more than that in business arising from the website. If you build something for someone and it makes them €50-60k p.a. for a four or five year lifespan, how much should you charge them for it?


    As to the worth of outsourcing, I like the social worth of the idea and a lot of managers and bean counters love the initial accounting figures, but I've never yet encountered a real-world example of outsourced code that worked well enough to be considered fit for purpose, and I've spent quite a lot of time re-working code (or even rewriting it from scratch) because the outsourcing went horribly badly.


  • #44
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Thanks for that feedback.

    In other industries (not software), going to India and China always looks good on paper - but ends up costing alot in man hours down the line.


  • #45
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    It only works if you can put together a really really tight spec and can enforce it effectively. A big ask and risky. If you can't do that, it's usually a false economy.


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