john giles - walk of disappointment

master-t · 29-03-2011 12:18PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

cos burgers are expensive, its a reason to write off an entire event?

Is that what I said? No.

If you read the original post first, before jumping in trying to be funny, you would see that the OP said not only was the food overpriced, but there was nothing for the kids to do after it, there was no refreshments after it for the kids, a pre recorded message from Giles and that was it.

I think his complaint is they worked hard and put a lot of effort to raise as much money as they could, but felt that the effort on the other side was not matched.

Put it this way, If I was running a charity night (Which I have), I would try to ensure that our attendees were well looked after. This would include thinking ahead of what they needed to ensure that If we host another event, they will gladly donate again. If you leave your donators with a bad taste in their mouth, they will not be so generous next time around.

Chardee MacDennis · 29-03-2011 12:23PM

take it to liveline tbh, you wont find much sympathy in here...

CiaranC · 29-03-2011 12:26PM

Paulw wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the clubs automatically get 50% of what they raise anyway??

The other 50% goes to a pool of funds used to promote and grow football?

So, the clubs withholding 50% is what they are supposed to do anyway. Some protest that is. :rolleyes:

http://johngilesfoundation.com/walk-of-dreams.html

Pretty sure the OP is saying they are keeping the 50% that is supposed to go to charity as well as their own 50%. Which is just stealing.

Wouldnt suprise me with schoolboy football clubs tbh

spockety · 29-03-2011 12:54PM

Why do charity dinners involve black ties and copious amounts of delicious food, when really the money could have gone to the charity?

Why do charities like Oxfam send you expensive packs with details of where your money is going or specific letters from 'adoptees' etc? The money could have been saved and spent on charity.

Get real, charities are businesses, and they need to be run like businesses if they are to be successful. Their customers are the donors, and like it or not the donors need something back, however small. Is that awful? It's all relative, but welcome to human nature.

It needn't have cost any money. Are you telling me that it would be difficult to get Coca Cola or Ballygowan or something to sponsor a couple of thousand bottles of minerals? Or to get Tayto to sponor a couple of thousand bags of crisps? Or Mars to spring for some chocolate? It's a no brainer, captive audience, association with a worthy cause etc., and would have been very welcome by the customers.

And in my opinion playing back a taped video message is probably worse than having nobody there at all. It just highlighted the mediocrity.

(Note; I wasn't there myself, so basing this off the OPs feedback).

Hard Worker · 29-03-2011 01:37PM

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

By the sounds of things the event wasnt organised properly at all, especially a first running of the event.

Chances are a lot of the kids havent had anything to eat for 2-3 hours by the time the walk finished...any organiser worth his salt would have realised this and allowed for something, even a small goody bag. What harm would it have been to have some of the Irish players around the Aviva for an hour or 2, or even give a few minute speech thanking everybody etc.

If an event like this is getting slated, people wont go next year. These things have to be organised properly and this obviously wasnt...€11 for a burger and chips for kids is ridiculous, what didnt the organisers have say tea and sandwiches or finger food for say 3 or 4 quid

All clubs were informed of the timeline involved. Clubs should have prepared by bringing their own bar or crisps while they were taking part.
John Giles was at the start in Fitzwilliam Street. He spoke over the P.A. system and thanked everyone. Robbie Keane was also there at the start as was Trap.
The John Giles Foundation would have no control over what prices are charged for food in the AVIVA. The cost of preparing 10,000 goodie bags would have been prohibitive and a serious waste of money. The people supplying the food in the stadium are licenced to do so and no one else can just set up to do tea and sandwiches for 3 or 4 quid.
There were 14 other JGF walks around the country. I wonder what is the feedback from any of those.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 01:41PM

just to clear up a few things first of all i did not say i or my club was withholding money i said a lot of clubs were planning to do so check out the foundation page on fb. the point regarding it not being a funfair and just a charity walk i dont accept that when the event ads and organisers, promos etc. were advertising a fun day out for the kids etc. there was nothing fun there for the kids. the ireland team could have at least shown their faces in the stadium they were in the country im sure they wouldnt have been put out too much. as for the walk itself the op said they shouldnt have a problem doing it because they play football the majority of the kids we had with us were under 7's the walk was more than 4km and there was supposed to be toilet facilities at the start line and another point along the route which there was none. and the op who was so opposed to getting kids a burger and chips you obviously dont have kids or if you do god help them, but i honestly dont have any problem whatsoever giving that to kids on a day out and im sure many would agree. look we werent expecting a concert or a four course meal just some sort of a gesture to appreciate the kids that turned up. and if you want to talk about dishonesty there was one big big dublin schoolboy club (who will remain nameless) that gave all their kids the sponsor cards but would not allow them to do the walk now that was wrong imo.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 01:43PM

Hard Worker wrote: »

All clubs were informed of the timeline involved. Clubs should have prepared by bringing their own bar or crisps while they were taking part.
John Giles was at the start in Fitzwilliam Street. He spoke over the P.A. system and thanked everyone. Robbie Keane was also there at the start as was Trap.
The John Giles Foundation would have no control over what prices are charged for food in the AVIVA. The cost of preparing 10,000 goodie bags would have been prohibitive and a serious waste of money. The people supplying the food in the stadium are licenced to do so and no one else can just set up to do tea and sandwiches for 3 or 4 quid.

There were 14 other JGF walks around the country. I wonder what is the feedback from any of those.

looking at the foundation fb page amongst other places a lot of the other walks were diappointing too

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 02:10PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

This sounds like a job for Joe Duffy.

just been told its on joe duffy at the moment

Joekers · 29-03-2011 02:10PM

Was just on joe duffffffffffffyyyyyyyyy on 1850 715 815 the liveline is open now:D

Dempsey · 29-03-2011 02:39PM

I assume its only the dubs that went to the aviva that are complaining about the lack of a hospitality package for doing a charity walk?

KERSPLAT! · 29-03-2011 02:43PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I assume its only the dubs that went to the aviva that are complaining about the lack of a hospitality package for doing a charity walk?

What has being a Dub got to do with anything here??

ColeTrain · 29-03-2011 02:51PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

just been told its on joe duffy at the moment

Joekers wrote: »

Was just on joe duffffffffffffyyyyyyyyy on 1850 715 815 the liveline is open now:D

That guy must have his researchers scanning every forum on Boards.

homerjay2005 · 29-03-2011 02:55PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

just been told its on joe duffy at the moment

little deco had to go for a p*ss in the dodder joe....and the burgers Joe.....they were 4euro....its terrible, terrible, terrible.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 03:04PM

i have to say although i have a major gripe about the event on sunday at least john giles had the decency to go on air and face the music he didnt go hiding until it blew over. i will give him the credit for that. he sounded a bit doubtful over the event going ahead next year...

dreamers75 · 29-03-2011 03:21PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I assume its only the dubs that went to the aviva that are complaining about the lack of a hospitality package for doing a charity walk?

Any dub could name every dublin club that may withold monies, and it wouldnt be hard

My kids team did it and got enough for a set of jerseys out of it, think it was a great idea for small clubs

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 03:25PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Any dub could name every dublin club that may withold monies, and it wouldnt be hard

explain please??

stumpypeeps · 29-03-2011 03:28PM

This reminds me, I bought one of those daffodils for cancer there recently. Bloody hell it looked terrible, was all plasticky and horrible. What a rip off. I'll be getting my daffodils elsewhere from now on.

RasTa · 29-03-2011 03:30PM

Shocking how so many parents think it's fine to serve their kids burgers, chips, coke and crisps after some light exercise.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 03:40PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

This reminds me, I bought one of those daffodils for cancer there recently. Bloody hell it looked terrible, was all plasticky and horrible. What a rip off. I'll be getting my daffodils elsewhere from now on.

when you bought the daffodil did they promise you a fun day out for the kids, members of the irish team to show up amongst a host of other things

ColeTrain · 29-03-2011 03:46PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

This reminds me, I bought one of those daffodils for cancer there recently. Bloody hell it looked terrible, was all plasticky and horrible. What a rip off. I'll be getting my daffodils elsewhere from now on.

Not a fair comparison.
It wouldn't have hurt them to lay out a little bag with a couple of things in it for the kids. Not really fair either that the catering companies were free to charge their extortionate prices to parents who had hungry children on their hands. Easy to snipe on here but it sounds like they could have made a better effort to those who actually bothered to get of their arses and do the walk.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 03:53PM

dont get me wrong im not blaming the john giles or the foundation for the prices of the food i know they have no say in that theyre just franchise licenses in the aviva but i do think there should have been an alternative the day that was in it

stumpypeeps · 29-03-2011 03:54PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

when you bought the daffodil did they promise you a fun day out for the kids, members of the irish team to show up amongst a host of other things

Ah I know, I was only having a little bit of fun. Sounds like a let down for the kids alright.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 03:59PM

ye the under 7's we brought got treated to paddy mulligan and mick martin....
just what every 6 and 7 year old wants to see:rolleyes:

~Rebel~ · 29-03-2011 04:03PM

First off, I think its completely wrong that any clubs would withhold monies which were given to them to be passed on to a charitable cause.

As for the day itself however, it sounds like it was a pretty half assed affair. Just another sign of the endemic "sure it'll be grand" attitude which permeates so many organizations in this country, as well as the " sure they have to pay - we'll make a fortune" attitude of the vendors.

Noone screws their own like we do.

celtictiger32 · 29-03-2011 04:30PM

if some of the sellers outside the stadium had of had the initiative they would have done well, they would have sold sambos crisps or whatever for a fraction of the price and cleaned up and i wouldnt have begrudged them one bit

v3ttel · 29-03-2011 04:46PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Why does everyone on boards always feel like they need to reply with an attitude.

The johnny giles foundation is getting a lot of positive rep for this walk, in my opinion the cost of that food was crazy for such a day...and how dare someone criticise a father for giving his child burger and chips. You know nothing about how re raises his children and I'm guessing you don't have children of your own. The OP has every right to question how an event like this is run. The mistake he made was posting it here.

This! The amount of times I've seen someone complain or express concern about something and get absolutely pounded with completely ridiculous replies (the you shouldn't be feeding your kids burgers and chips - bollocks)....why the attitude?

jaykay74 wrote: »

Thats really poor form. Those who contributed their money did so in good faith. Its not up to the clubs to then say we didn't enjoy your event so we'll keep all the money collected. If the clubs don't want to give money to the foundation fair enough but they should return the money to those they collected it from, not just pocket it.

And this. People contributed money for charity, you can't just turn around and say no deal, unless you refund those people.

29-03-2011 04:54PM

Stealing from a charity. That's as low as you get I guess.

stumpypeeps · 29-03-2011 04:56PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Stealing from a charity. That's as low as you get I guess.

Its not stealing if they haven't handed over the money. As of now its fraud. That should help them sleep easier.

29-03-2011 04:58PM

RasTa wrote: »

Shocking how so many parents think it's fine to serve their kids burgers, chips, coke and crisps after some light exercise.

Might explain why Ireland has one of the highest childhood rates of obesity in the world

murpho999 · 29-03-2011 05:15PM

So Giles didn't turn up at the Aviva.

'Lack of Honesty of Effort there Bill"

Also in relation to burgers and chips ....that unfortunately is an Irish kid's staple diet.

Lived in Holland for a good while and kids are introduced to fruit & veg from moment they can eat solid foods whilst here I see 1 year olds eating crisps and older kids eating sweets all the time.

The line 'you obviously don't have kids' is not good enough. If you have kids you should feed them healthy stuff and things like sweets and burgers should be a treat not a norm.

john giles - walk of disappointment

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