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can couture beat machida?

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  • 22-03-2011 2:06am
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    12gauge dave
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    what you guys think is randy worth a bet at 5/2?????????

    how about jake shields can he overcome st.pierre at 4/1


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    unknown13
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    YES. People didn't believe me when I told them Rampage was going to beat Machida and look what happened. Couture is a different fighter but he is so good with gameplans that he is definitely in with a shot of beating Machida.


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    Snappy the Moose
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    I would love Randy to win but I think he will be gone in a round if Machida pushes the pace. Machida will just be too good for him.


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    Stephen_King
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    I think Sheilds has a pretty good chance (4\1 are great odds) against GSP, I dont think the Kapman fight did him justice. His grappling is top notch, it will be interesting to see how he handle's GSP's striking though.

    Couture Im not so sure about. Machida's reflexes are outstanding compared to Randy and I think he may be a bit too elusive for Randy to smother. If Randy does pull it off it'll be pretty epic though.


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    MrStuffins
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    Can he beat Machida? Of course!

    Will he beat Machida? Of course not!


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    Randy to win by superman spinning backfist!!!


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    Oh_Noes
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    No.

    Please just give me your money instead. I was shocked that the UFC made this matchup. Maybe Machida has poisoned himself drinking his own píss to take this match. Thankfully he's respectful enough to not just kill the 50 year old five seconds into the first round.

    I'd have been happy with Couture vs. Ortiz as a kind of "classics" match like tennis or golf, but feeding Couture to a Machida is just cruel IMHO.


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    cowzerp
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    If age has not caught up on him then Randy can definetly find a way to win-don't doubt the Randmeister!!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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    jayteecork
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    I sincerely hope not.
    Machida is the only one in the division (imo) with a "chance" of outlasting bones.

    If he loses to Randy his career is in serious jeopardy.

    Remeber Dana doesn't hold back on cutting people from the promotion.

    Machida is still my all time fave fighter. Let's be fair he just about won the first bout against Shogun. The 2nd one, he was caught, but imo he looked great and was winning the round. He scored 2 takedowns and made a couple of nice combinations.

    He's clearly a better fighter than bloody Rampage. What did Rampage do in that fight? Hold him against the cage? Knee him in the thighs a few times? As been evident a lot lately the whole MMA scoring system needs a serious overhaul.


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    mailburner
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    jakes shields won't beat pierre
    that 4/1 should be 20s


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    RebelSoul
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    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    No.

    Please just give me your money instead. I was shocked that the UFC made this matchup. Maybe Machida has poisoned himself drinking his own píss to take this match. Thankfully he's respectful enough to not just kill the 50 year old five seconds into the first round.

    I'd have been happy with Couture vs. Ortiz as a kind of "classics" match like tennis or golf, but feeding Couture to a Machida is just cruel IMHO.

    I spilled my drink laughing at that. Thank you Sir

    My heart says Couture but my head says Machida.


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    mailburner wrote: »
    jakes shields won't beat pierre
    that 4/1 should be 20s

    Koscheck trained Jiu Jitsu as his gameplan against St.Pierre. Obviously Dave Camarillo (who is a gameplan specialist) saw a weakness in his ground game that was to be exploited. Obviously didn't work for Kos but Jake Shields area of expertise is "American Jiu Jitsu" kind of an unreal Jiu Jitsu-Wrestling hybrid which works wonderfully for him, evident in his win streak. Hasn't lost in 7 years obviously Georges is a next level opponent and Jake didn't impress in his last fight but that was the exception not the norm.


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    Oh_Noes
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    RebelSoul wrote: »
    I spilled my drink laughing at that. Thank you Sir

    Hopefully drinking a fresh beverage and not a pint of Machida.


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    RearNakedJim
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    My money is squarely on randy to win, he will grind out a win in the same style as the win against vera. 3 awesome rounds of dirty boxing against the cage, maybe losing 1 round.

    Either that or he will take Machida down and submit him with his new Black Belt skills :P.


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    Snappy the Moose
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    RearNakedJim wrote: »
    My money is squarely on randy to win, he will grind out a win in the same style as the win against vera. 3 awesome rounds of dirty boxing against the cage, maybe losing 1 round.

    Either that or he will take Machida down and submit him with his new Black Belt skills :P.

    I will PM you my address, just send the money to me instead cheers


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    Mellor
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    mailburner wrote: »
    jakes shields won't beat pierre
    that 4/1 should be 20s
    It shouldn't be near 20s,


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    MrStuffins
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    Randy's a legend and I can think of so many times when he;s been counted out!

    I counted him out against Vitor, I counted him out against Chuck, I counted him out against Big Tim, I counted him out v Gabe Gonzaga............ i really hope he proves me wrong again!


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    mailburner
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    Mellor wrote: »
    It shouldn't be near 20s,

    maybe a slight overeaction but definitely more like 7or8/1
    gsp much better in almost every aspect of mma imo.
    there isn't anywhere jake is superior to gsp and if he
    chooses then gsp could probably beat jake at his own game.
    he'll dish out a similiar beating to shields as he did kosh if
    it remains standing
    only one possible winner as far as i can see


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    SanoVitae
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    mailburner wrote: »
    there isn't anywhere jake is superior to gsp

    How about his BJJ? Do you think Shields would have had as much problem as GSP did trying to submit Dan Hardy for basically a whole 5 rounds? I don't.

    GSP will most likely win this fight be using his TDD and boxing to win a UD. I can't see him taking it to the ground where Shields is at his most dangerous - GSP does not have the size advantage in this match that he did against BJ.


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    Ush1
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    SanoVitae wrote: »
    How about his BJJ? Do you think Shields would have had as much problem as GSP did trying to submit Dan Hardy for basically a whole 5 rounds? I don't.

    GSP will most likely win this fight be using his TDD and boxing to win a UD. I can't see him taking it to the ground where Shields is at his most dangerous - GSP does not have the size advantage in this match that he did against BJ.

    George should have submitted Hardy twice in that fight. I think he said after the reason he let go of one of them, when he had the full armbar locked in, was that he didn't want to injure Hardy who just refused to tap.


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    MrStuffins
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    George should have submitted Hardy twice in that fight. I think he said after the reason he let go of one of them, when he had the full armbar locked in, was that he didn't want to injure Hardy who just refused to tap.

    No, witht he armbar the reason Hardy didn't tap is because GSP got the technique wrong.

    Immediately after the fight Greg Jackson told him this and I saw a video of him drilling it over and over after that fight in the locker room.

    The kimura was another thing, Hardy's a tough b*stard!


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    mailburner
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    SanoVitae wrote: »
    How about his BJJ? Do you think Shields would have had as much problem as GSP did trying to submit Dan Hardy for basically a whole 5 rounds? I don't.

    GSP will most likely win this fight be using his TDD and boxing to win a UD. I can't see him taking it to the ground where Shields is at his most dangerous - GSP does not have the size advantage in this match that he did against BJ.


    alves is a monster compared to to bj though and he beat
    him everywhere
    the gsp ud is probably a very safe bet
    shields only hope of beating gsp is submitting him but i cant see gsp
    getting caught out there
    he probably would have submitted hardy alright though in fairness.
    gsp outwrestled kosch and then stood with him and beat him
    standing in the rematch when koscheck was beating the best
    at everything in the division (bar fitch obv)
    his stand up was much superior to alves when alves was knocking
    everybody out
    it wouldnt surprise me if he took shields down either and dominated
    him for five rounds
    different class altogether, can beat others at their own game.
    jake shields has only one way of winning fights like fitch.

    i do hope though that the very best jake shields turns up for this fight


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    Ush1
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, witht he armbar the reason Hardy didn't tap is because GSP got the technique wrong.

    Immediately after the fight Greg Jackson told him this and I saw a video of him drilling it over and over after that fight in the locker room.

    The kimura was another thing, Hardy's a tough b*stard!

    Yeah, maybe was the kimura I was thinking of. What you're saying about the armbar rings a bell.


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    mailburner
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    saying as this thread is mainly about gsp/shields randy/machida

    its 4/5 for gsp to win by sub or points
    and 4/6 mach to win by ko or points

    2/1 for the double (pp)
    i think that price is just sweet


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    mailburner wrote: »
    saying as this thread is mainly about gsp/shields randy/machida

    its 4/5 for gsp to win by sub or points
    and 4/6 mach to win by ko or points

    GSP will have to TKO/KO Shields to win this fight, you can quote me on that afterwards.


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    mailburner
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    GSP will have to TKO/KO Shields to win this fight, you can quote me on that afterwards.

    i certainly will

    we'll agree to disagree
    he probably wont ko/tko shields but will
    still gain another comfortable ud imo


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    jayteecork
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    mailburner wrote: »
    saying as this thread is mainly about gsp/shields randy/machida

    I think the thread was supposed to be about can Randy beat Lyoto.

    As usual it goes off into a tangent.


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    mailburner
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    12gauge dave wrote: »
    what you guys think is randy worth a bet at 5/2?????????

    how about jake shields can he overcome st.pierre at 4/1


    well, the op did ask about both match ups


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    Tones69
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, witht he armbar the reason Hardy didn't tap is because GSP got the technique wrong.

    Immediately after the fight Greg Jackson told him this and I saw a video of him drilling it over and over after that fight in the locker room.

    The kimura was another thing, Hardy's a tough b*stard!

    He had it in nice but yeah maybe it wasnt 100% perfect, none the less 99% of fighters would have tapped from it


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    Tones69
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    GSP will have to TKO/KO Shields to win this fight, you can quote me on that afterwards.

    Why do you say that? I dont see shields lasting 5 rounds with GSP to be honest anyway,im deffo going with gsp by 2nd or 3rd round stoppage


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    Tones69 wrote: »
    Why do you say that? I dont see shields lasting 5 rounds with GSP to be honest anyway,im deffo going with gsp by 2nd or 3rd round stoppage

    Shields is the king of grinding out decisions. More so than GSP even. This will be a nice test to see if GSP can beat someone who has beaten some great middleweights too.


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