Tallon's Minecraft Server BIG CHANGES? Please read

cherryghost · 07-03-2011 12:42AM

This is exactly what I was afraid of. 2 months into building a quality server, one of the best I've ever been on and reputed by others, the community will break apart.

I had reservations, particularly over this, because as you all know the forum and server had built a solid community between us. Now where will it go? Some people will stay, some will go. I don't mind multiple servers of course, its great that there is a possibility of choice, but the entire thing has left a sour taste in my mouth, and some other users feel exactly the same. Whatever decision is made in the next few days will surely affect how closely knit our community is now.

I mean, we all have to bear in mind that without DeV's donation of the server, the community of the boards.ie forum would'nt have reached its dizzying heights that it has now, Tallon's home connection would have crippled long long ago. But on the other hand without the foundation of Tallon's server, we wouldn't have reached this point either.

And might I add, I've done a lot of work on the server. Its been a pain the ass sometimes but its a learning process and its enjoyable to see what does and doesn't work. I'd like to thank DeV, Kharn, mp and Tal for giving me the opportunity to help build a fantastic server, but I don't care what its called in the end. I play to have fun, the name of the server never comes into my mind (until lately with all these shenanigans). I'd rather have us all share the server and what we can acheive, users and admins, rather than things turn dark behind the scenes.

For a new forum and a relatively new server to be at this situation so early is just pure frustration too. I don't 'own' the server, nor do I 'own property' of the server files, I just help in anyway I can to build the Minecraft community. And now I'm stuck between two walls that I can't get over.

I might be rambling a bit and perhaps its the different points of views I've had from everyone today, but I just want it sorted. Tal I've already told you exactly what I think and what I feared, you reassured me everything isn't being relocated off to lolocaust and that you don't claim to own the entire server (some people are annoyed that you said it, probably taken out of context tbh), but can yourself and DeV please have a nice quiet chat together instead of going off on this tangent. You two have different views of where to take it, a clash of personalities as you will. As sacramento said, there is a level playing field there. Even if 2 servers are still brought forward, at least bring them forward in a positive fashion instead of this farce that's been created.

Ok done. I'm going to bed!

Tallon · 07-03-2011 12:55AM

Thats excellent input Cherry, exactly what I was looking for

When I said I own the server, I meant the world so to speak. The server could be anywhere and hosted by anyone, but the 'Tallon's Minecraft Server' would remain my baby

Now, the reason I want to move, and I have already touched on this several times, is that I don't like holding onto something thats not mine

The server that DeV loaned me, is just that, a loan... it was never meant to be permanent and was always until I could afford my own hosting, which I now can

It's the equivelant of getting a loan of a game off a friend, and even though he insists he doesnt need the game back, you want to return it to it's original owner.

Sharrow wrote: »

Well what will the rules be and how will they differ from what they have been?

They will be the exact same as they are now, and as the world progresses, the rules will be reviewed by all the admins and owners (Im not going to be sitting in my room, banning people for fun and making up stupid rules of no girls allowed.... everything will be down to discussiong by the server admins

Any rules you want to see introduced or modified, feel free to PM myself, Cherryghost or Dirtybollox

Morag · 07-03-2011 12:59AM

You said the rules would be different, so I am asking how they'd be different, you seem to want a different set of rules but won't say how/why?

Also Lolcoust? WTF?

Tallon · 07-03-2011 01:16AM

Sharrow wrote: »

You said the rules would be different, so I am asking how they'd be different, you seem to want a different set of rules but won't say how/why?

Also Lolcoust? WTF?

When did I say the rules would be different? I've just explained above what way the rules will work

Also, lolocaust was another site who was going to offer their hosting services, But again, as above, I will be paying for a dedicated server myself

Teg Veece · 07-03-2011 08:33AM

What are the disadvantages with staying on the boards.ie server?

My opinion, I'm worried that if we change to another server the up-keep won't be as good. I'm based in Australia and I have no problems with the lag on the current server. But when I log onto other Irish servers, the game becomes practically unplayable because of the lag.

My other big concern would be the possibility that the community gets broken up. I'm really enjoying getting to know the members of boards.ie through various build projects etc. and don't want that to change.

They're just my two cents.

Morag · 07-03-2011 08:34AM

Tallon wrote: »

When did I say the rules would be different? I've just explained above what way the rules will work

Here.

Tallon wrote: »

Just to clarify, the idea is that the server won't be hosted by DeV and won't be subject to boards.ie rules but will have it's own rules in place to protect users

So what boards.ie rules are you looking to get rid of and what will be the code of conduct to protect users?

Tallon wrote: »

Also, lolocaust was another site who was going to offer their hosting services, But again, as above, I will be paying for a dedicated server myself

Right.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 08:54AM

Teg Veece wrote: »

What are the disadvantages with staying on the boards.ie server?

My opinion, I'm worried that if we change to another server the up-keep won't be as good. I'm based in Australia and I have no problems with the lag on the current server. But when I log onto other Irish servers, the game becomes practically unplayable because of the lag.

My other big concern would be the possibility that the community gets broken up. I'm really enjoying getting to know the members of boards.ie through various build projects etc. and don't want that to change.

They're just my two cents.

The server we're moving to is actually better, and we have the option to upgrade at a later stage

Sharrow wrote: »

So what boards.ie rules are you looking to get rid of and what will be the code of conduct to protect users?

Apologies, atm, the rules stand that if you misbehave on the server, a boards ban / infraction could apply

That won't be the case on the new server as boards won't be claiming ownership of it

DeVore · 07-03-2011 11:25AM

And if someone doesnt want to follow you to the land of milk and honey, what will become of the work they have put into the server?

DeV.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 11:32AM

DeVore wrote: »

And if someone doesnt want to follow you to the land of milk and honey, what will become of the work they have put into the server?

DeV.

Land of milk and honey? Why are you lowering yourself to childish insults like that? honestly.

The world will be moving to the new server, if people don't want to come that is entirely their choice, I have no problems with that. They can still visit both servers... it's not like people have to choose one or the other here!

The 'boards.ie' server can start with a fresh new world.

DirtyBollox · 07-03-2011 11:47AM

DeVore wrote: »

And if someone doesnt want to follow you to the land of milk and honey, what will become of the work they have put into the server?

DeV.

Tallon wrote: »

Land of milk and honey? Why are you lowering yourself to childish insults like that? honestly.

The world will be moving to the new server, if people don't want to come that is entirely their choice, I have no problems with that. They can still visit both servers... it's not like people have to choose one or the other here!

The 'boards.ie' server can start with a fresh new world.

would it be too outrageous to ask for people to place signs at their works of art so we know 1) who made what and 2) who made what so if they dont move with the server we can know they wont be back and still be able to accredit them with their work.

just a though as the rule of "nothing will be destroyed no matter what" except for special circumstances Kharn pointed ou in another thread . so al structures in developement atm or already completed will always be there.

DeVore · 07-03-2011 12:08PM

I've put a lot of work into the mines I was digging, on a server I provided, which Cherryghost ran. I appreciate you had a lot to do with the start of the server etc, but where do you get off just claiming ownership of that work?

And as for Lolocaust :rolleyes:

I dunno, I'm just saying my piece as someone who got involved. I think the whole thing stinks and I wont be putting any more time into something you clearly see as your property.

DeV.

Morag · 07-03-2011 12:13PM

Tallon wrote: »

Apologies, atm, the rules stand that if you misbehave on the server, a boards ban / infraction could apply

Why is this suddenly a problem?

Tallon · 07-03-2011 12:17PM

DeVore wrote: »

I've put a lot of work into the mines I was digging, on a server I provided, which Cherryghost ran. I appreciate you had a lot to do with the start of the server etc, but where do you get off just claiming ownership of that work?

And as for Lolocaust :rolleyes:

I dunno, I'm just saying my piece as someone who got involved. I think the whole thing stinks and I wont be putting any more time into something you clearly see as your property.

DeV.

And? Your mines are still there... You can still work on them. They won't be touched and the only reason your not going to finish them is because they're not on 'your' server?

If I'm being perfectly honest, thats a bit childish

I don't 'get off' claiming ownership. The files are mine, the world is mine. everyone is still free to build on it and visit.

What about my posts here on boards, they're owned by you, If I asked for them to be deleted, you would say no.

And as for lolocaust... what about it? I'm not getting hosting with them so whats the issue?

You seen how big my world has got and you want to have the same, i get it, but you can't just take it from me.

Start your own and I would love help build on it and make it epic.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 12:19PM

Sharrow wrote: »

Why is this suddenly a problem?

Why is what suddenly a problem?

DeVore · 07-03-2011 12:22PM

*sigh* I dont want anything from you Tallon, I'm not stopping you taking anything. I was trying to get you to see sense but you are beginning to sound like Gollem.

What I want is for you to treat the people who have helped you build this server with some respect and stop treating it like your ball you can take home whenever you like.

Look, do as you will.... I'm not getting into a protracted argument with you. I have said what I think.

DeV.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 12:27PM

DeVore wrote: »

*sigh* I dont want anything from you Tallon, I'm not stopping you taking anything. I was trying to get you to see sense but you are beginning to sound like Gollem.

What I want is for you to treat the people who have helped you build this server with some respect and stop treating it like your ball you can take home whenever you like.

Look, do as you will.... I'm not getting into a protracted argument with you. I have said what I think.

DeV.

I have Never ever treated anyone with disrespect. Ever.

I'm actually annoyed you said that.

The only thing thats changing here is your hand in it. Thats all.

It's not some 'ball' that I'm going to take off people. It's a joint venture with Michaelpower and cherryghost (If he comes) and all the admins and I can't make that decision without talking with them

Just the same that you can't turn off boards.ie just because your píssed off, you would need to discuss it with the other owners and Admins.

I have been upfront with everything and everyone at all times.

Kazuma · 07-03-2011 12:27PM

Would it be too much to ask for a copy of the world files so that if people so desire, they can continue working on their projects but on a (semi-)official boards.ie setting?

I haven't had an opportunity to build anything on the server yet (busy in work and exploring Turkey) - but surely this is a simple enough compromise?

Tallon · 07-03-2011 12:29PM

Kazuma wrote: »

Would it be too much to ask for a copy of the world files so that if people so desire, they can continue working on their projects but on a (semi-)official boards.ie setting?

I haven't had an opportunity to build anything on the server yet (busy in work and exploring Turkey) - but surely this is a simple enough compromise?

No, sorry. if you want to build onto the village, feel free to join the server

Simple

Shiminay · 07-03-2011 12:41PM

I'm an admin on the server, you never mentioned any of this to me...

Sorry Tallon, I'm very disappointed in your behaviour and your attitude that something a community of people built is somehow yours to decide on. I have no interest in working with you any more. You appear to me to be completely uninterested in community only having your name on the top of everyone's work.

For what it's worth, I think the Boards server should start afresh on a new world (so that no one can claim "ownership") with whatever community of players wish to work on it and I say good luck to everyone who moves on to Tallon's new server. We'll welcome your input on the forum here, this is for all Minecraft discussion, not just a single server

It's a place a lot of us have put a lot of time into, I'm sure we'd all like to keep tabs on it as it grows.

Korvanica · 07-03-2011 12:46PM

feylya wrote: »

What about having a DNS name? I assume Minecraft can do DNS lookups (I can't check right now)? minecraft.tallon.com or similar is a bit easier to remember

craft.timbyr.com

current dns name that i use for the server...

humanji · 07-03-2011 12:59PM

I don't particularly want to get into the middle of this, but I think people are misinterpreting things to be insults when they aren't really.

Firstly, Tallon, look over your posts here and see how many times you have used the words "My" and "Mine". The server isn't yours. I mean, technically it is, but it's everyone who took part in it's creation that made it what it is. With out them it'd be empty. If you move the server and no one follows you, then it'll just be a monument graveyard.

I fully understand the desire to move though. I'd feel the same. I never like feeling beholden to others, and much prefer to be self sufficient. And I'd wager having the server attached to Boards does kind of make you feel like you're not in control. Well, when you start going on about how the server is yours, you make all the users feel like that. It's a community. Everyone knows who's in charge, but you're going to end up alienating people if keep on about how it's yours. As Dev said, you're sounding a bit like Gollum.

I don't know what the PM's between Tallon and Dev were, but it kind of sounds a bit like Dev may be taking it a bit too personally that Tallon wants to move the server. As I said above, it does kind of seem more a case of not wanting to be beholden to someone, rather than wanting to stamp his name on it. I think whatever way you were discussing things, you used the wrong words and phrases and both took everything the wrong way.

I think the point of my rambling is to say, seriously, it's just a game. If the server and it's backups were destroyed today, we'd all just happily start again tomorrow. It's not what was built that made the server great, it was the people you were building it with (except the f*ckers who kept burying me when I was AFK!).

Where the server is doesn't matter a jot. Think about what's best for everyone who's part of the community.

Morag · 07-03-2011 01:01PM

Tallon wrote: »

Why is what suddenly a problem?

Why can't you answer my questions?

Why do you want the separations so that people's action on the server don't have repercussions on this site?

What is the code of conduct which you have mentioned several times which will protect users of the server?

I think given the history there has been between this site and lolocoust entering discussions with them and thinking of moving the server and discussion to there is pretty disrespectful and I can see how Dev may felt that was a right kick in the teeth considering he was/is hosting the server for the community. So that I would view as disrespectful.

Also which mod was abusive?

Tallon wrote: »

Instead of Mods demanding things be removed without consulting either of the 3 owners and being abusive about it at the same time

Tallon wrote: »

I don't want to take the community...

No you just want to take what that community built and have it on your sever and no doubt show it off on you tube. Good luck with that.

One thing I learned from when the server was reset after the grieving causes by jealous tards who came from youtube were let on, that I can rebuild and had prolly more fun rebuilding and was able to do so faster.

I could have chosen to play on any server but I chose this one, cos it was the one with the boards community on it and people I know so that I could hang out with those who I consider mates and build cools stuff.
I still want to do this, and if that means starting over on a new server, I am ok with that.

Grim. · 07-03-2011 01:03PM

humanji wrote: »

Think about what's best for everyone who's part of the community.

this

Sprrratt · 07-03-2011 01:09PM

Minecraft.

Serious business.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 01:22PM

Kharn wrote: »

I'm an admin on the server, you never mentioned any of this to me...
.

You stopped replying to PM's and we're taking actions into your own hands, demading things without consulting any of us and being abusive to people.

Kharn wrote: »

Sorry Tallon, I'm very disappointed in your behaviour and your attitude that something a community of people built is somehow yours to decide on. I have no interest in working with you any more. You appear to me to be completely uninterested in community only having your name on the top of everyone's work.

Not true, that's your own opinion.

humanji wrote: »

Where the server is doesn't matter a jot. Think about what's best for everyone who's part of the community.

I've made that part bold as it's exactly what I'm trying to say here.

Sharrow wrote: »

Why can't you answer my questions?

I'm trying, but they're very vauge

Sharrow wrote: »

Why do you want the separations so that people's action on the server don't have repercussions on this site?

I don't but if DeV no longer loans me the server, and I'm not a mod here, it's impossible for me to enforce this

Sharrow wrote: »

What is the code of conduct which you have mentioned several times which will protect users of the server?

We are writing up a full list of rules at the moment. I will be getting input from all the Admins and owners. The rules are already in the OP of my thread.

Sharrow wrote: »

I think given the history there has been between this site and lolocoust entering discussions with them and thinking of moving the server and discussion to there is pretty disrespectful and I can see how Dev may felt that was a right kick in the teeth considering he was/is hosting the server for the community. So that I would view as disrespectful.

How is it disrespectfull? I was looking into all angles of hosting, and decided not to go to lolocaust for several reasons, one of which was that I didn't split the community

Sharrow wrote: »

Also which mod was abusive?

Kharn

Sharrow wrote: »

No you just want to take what that community built and have it on your sever and no doubt show it off on you tube. Good luck with that.

It started on my server, moved to a temp one, and is now going back to mine. Whats the issue? And it's always been on youtube, it's also been on Sprrratt, Cherryghost, Kersmash and other peoples channels

Sharrow wrote: »

One thing I learned from when the server was reset after the grieving causes by jealous tards who came from youtube were let on, that I can rebuild and had prolly more fun rebuilding and was able to do so faster.

Then if you decide to not keep building on the server, you can just start again on Boards.ie exclusive server

Sharrow wrote: »

I could have chosen to play on any server but I chose this one, cos it was the one with the boards community on it and people I know so that I could hang out with those who I consider mates and build cools stuff.
I still want to do this, and if that means starting over on a new server, I am ok with that.

It still will have boards.ie users on it, it still will be part of the community, everyone will still be welcome on. All thats changing is me recieving a free handout

Angron · 07-03-2011 01:28PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyDWuyudH9U

Blowfish · 07-03-2011 01:48PM

Tallon wrote: »

No, sorry. if you want to build onto the village, feel free to join the server

Simple

Out of curiosity, what's the reasoning behind not wanting a duplicate world?

twinQuins · 07-03-2011 01:51PM

Sharrow wrote: »

Why is this suddenly a problem?

If I may offer an opinion.

I don't like the idea that what you do off site can have repercussions on-site. There was a whole debacle some time ago concerning a certain fantasy league soccer site and one user's actions on that. I forget the result of it all but the fact that what someone did off site was subject to on-site censure (or at least, others called for it) didn't sit well with me.
Okay, the server is hosted on boards' own servers but focusing on that would be missing my point. The rules of this site cover what you do on this site.

Basically my thoughts are thus: you should only receive bans/infractions on boards.ie for your actions on boards.ie.

EDIT: On the subject of the migration I really don't see the issue. Yes without the community the server wouldn't be what it is but without Tallon there wouldn't be a server in the first place.

It was very kind of DeV to offer a leg-up - so to speak - to Tallon but I don't think there's anything wrong in wanting to strike out on his own.
Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't see how the community would just vanish overnight if the servers were to change. You'd still have a common place to meet and discuss issues with one another.
I've read the thread and I just don't get what the problem is, I'm sorry.

Tallon · 07-03-2011 01:52PM

Blowfish wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what's the reasoning behind not wanting a duplicate world?

A few reasons, one being It was build up by people who visited the server, and would like to leave it as theirs and not worry about seeing it on a random server or youtube video someday with people claiming they made it

Tallon · 07-03-2011 01:54PM

twinQuins wrote: »

Okay, the server is hosted on boards' own servers

Just to clarify, No it's not!

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