Mary Hanafin on Frontline tonight .. Quote: "There will always be jobs for teachers"

goat2 · 20-01-2011 11:28PM

now mary hanafin has two jobs, no wonder she thinks there are jobs for all, when jobs are being handed to her, she is not living in our world

MonkeyDoo · 20-01-2011 11:41PM

dory wrote: »

Mary Coughlan: Charity work (briefly) and amateur evolutionary physicist???

Is that a joke?

I think it's a reference to her lecture on "Einstein's theory of Evolution" to potiential job creators with the IDA.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/coughlans-no-einstein-after-gaffe-at-smart-economy-launch-1890227.html

Nadaur · 21-01-2011 12:53AM

EoghanRua wrote: »

What's the deal? Mary Hanafin is right, there will always be jobs for teachers (unless they stop education altogether which seems unlikely).

What she did not say (assuming your quote is accurate) is that anyone qualifying as a teacher will never have to emigrate (not 'immigrate' by the way) or that irrespective of the economic situation goverment will keep employing extra teachers, or that every teacher is going to enjoy some utopian scenario in their careers.

well said..............'immigratate':pac:........................

gaeilgegrinds1 · 21-01-2011 12:03PM

Had PTM last week, 5 of my tutor group are finishing the year and 3 going back to their own countries and 2 going to Oz and USA. Parents were sad to say but wanted to tell me. So we're figuring those 6 classes in that year now become 5 for sure and 4 perhaps. So don't tell me we won't lose jobs, lots of worried faces by us.

MonkeyDoo · 22-01-2011 06:24PM

If Mary Hanifin gets her way and becomes leader of FF we would have a teacher as taoiseach....and a teacher as leader of the opposition....what makes teachers such 'successful' politicians :eek:

Nadaur · 22-01-2011 08:40PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

If Mary Hanifin gets her way and becomes leader of FF we would have a teacher as taoiseach....and a teacher as leader of the opposition....what makes teachers such 'successful' politicians :eek:

used to working with people...used to fighting for their lives with random strangers.....used of dealing with lunatics......fairly intelligent...fairly educated...................and we have great holidays!!!!!

MonkeyDoo · 23-01-2011 08:03AM

Nadaur wrote: »

used to working with people...used to fighting for their lives with random strangers.....used of dealing with lunatics......fairly intelligent...fairly educated...................and we have great holidays!!!!!

Ha ha! I suppose the classroom really does resemble what goes on in Dail chambers

E.T. · 23-01-2011 03:12PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

Ha ha! I suppose the classroom really does resemble what goes on in Dail chambers

Ah now, that's a terrible thing to say about children!:D

StrawberryJazz · 23-01-2011 07:03PM

She is so frustratingly moronic.

Patronising, superficial and thinks we're all stupid. The woman hasn't an intelligent brain cell behind that blond money pit mop on her head.

MonkeyDoo · 23-01-2011 09:30PM

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

She is so frustratingly moronic.

Patronising, superficial and thinks we're all stupid. The woman hasn't an intelligent brain cell behind that blond money pit mop on her head.

Wouldn't surprise me if she won the FF leadership battle then lost her seat 2 weeks later in the election.

She probably gets alot of votes because of people going...

'Ohh look on TV, she taught me in school, will vote for her because she knows me'

Hopefully the novelty of seeing your teacher on TV has worn off with the electorate...

UnLuckyAgain · 23-01-2011 10:03PM

Even though I don't have any confidence in FF and am not voting for them in the up coming election, I think that Mary Hanafin is one of the best TDs, specifically in the role of Minister for Education and Skills.

Obviously her career as a teacher grants her much more insight and knowledge into real life educational issues and I think think it was a disastrous move on the Taoiseach's part by placing Calamity Coughlan in the role of Minister for Education.

That said, even though I think Mary Hanafin is the best of a bad bunch in the running for party leadership, I don't want FF to remain in government.

StrawberryJazz · 23-01-2011 10:27PM

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

Even though I don't have any confidence in FF and am not voting for them in the up coming election, I think that Mary Hanafin is one of the best TDs, specifically in the role of Minister for Education and Skills.

Not that this country has a history for extreme innovation but what exactly has Hanafin done in Education that is so positive?

Quite frankly, I think she just got away with good timing, benefiting from all of the good work as a result of the white paper, done just before her time.
I cant think of a single positive change she has put into effect.

Why is doing the bare minimum seen as brilliant in relation to our government?

UnLuckyAgain · 23-01-2011 10:39PM

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

Not that this country has a history for extreme innovation but what exactly has Hanafin done in Education that is so positive?

Quite frankly, I think she just got away with good timing, benefiting from all of the good work as a result of the white paper, done just before her time.
I cant think of a single positive change she has put into effect.

Perhaps you're not acutely in tune with educational issues specifically, but during her reign as Minister for Education, there was huge overhaul and progression in the education system, some examples being:

- reforming the entry system for the study of Medicine
- founding of the DEIS schooling system for the socioeconomically challenged
- in 2006 she brought about new scholarships for Leaving Certificate students from disadvantaged backgrounds
- reforming the percentage weight of the Irish oral examination

EoghanRua · 23-01-2011 10:43PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

She probably gets alot of votes because of people going...

'Ohh look on TV, she taught me in school, will vote for her because she knows me'

Hopefully the novelty of seeing your teacher on TV has worn off with the electorate...

She topped the poll in Dún Laoghaire with over 20 per cent of the vote last time out. She must have had seriously huge classes in her school if that's what's doing it for her.

MonkeyDoo · 23-01-2011 11:03PM

EoghanRua wrote: »

She topped the poll in Dún Laoghaire with over 20 per cent of the vote last time out. She must have had seriously huge classes in her school if that's what's doing it for her.

So 80% of people didn't like her last election...and yet she was still inflicted on the nation.....your living in the past EoghanRua....wake up she won't get 5% of the vote this time round....and they'll be the 'Ohh...look she used to teach me' brigade...

delta_bravo · 24-01-2011 06:15PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

So 80% of people didn't like her last election...and yet she was still inflicted on the nation.....your living in the past EoghanRua....wake up she won't get 5% of the vote this time round....and they'll be the 'Ohh...look she used to teach me' brigade...

Thats not how PR-STV works. She exceeded the quota on the first count so they dont count all the other lower preferences she would have gotten. I expect she will get in again. She has a much better image to the public than most FFers.

UnLuckyAgain · 24-01-2011 08:44PM

If only she weren't part of FF. She would have my first preference vote. Although I do expect that she will get in, she seems to have a solid head on her shoulders

EoghanRua · 24-01-2011 10:09PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

So 80% of people didn't like her last election...and yet she was still inflicted on the nation.....your living in the past EoghanRua....wake up she won't get 5% of the vote this time round....and they'll be the 'Ohh...look she used to teach me' brigade...

"80% of people didn't like her last election"..............and I'm the one living in the past?

I realise you were delivering a cheap shot and not expecting to be challenged as politicians are fair game at the moment but you're talking through your hat.

This is what you wrote originally: She probably gets alot of votes because of people going... 'Ohh look on TV, she taught me in school, will vote for her because she knows me' Hopefully the novelty of seeing your teacher on TV has worn off with the electorate...

You were using the present and past tenses - I merely called you on such ill-though out nonsense. Clearly you were implying that nobody other than her students voted for her in the past which obviously is complete b******s. But at least have the gallantry to take ownership of that piece of kak and don't mind now trying to reinterpret it and fob it off as 'what'll happen in the next election'.

MonkeyDoo · 25-01-2011 07:44PM

EoghanRua wrote: »

"80% of people didn't like her last election"..............and I'm the one living in the past?

I realise you were delivering a cheap shot and not expecting to be challenged as politicians are fair game at the moment but you're talking through your hat.

This is what you wrote originally: She probably gets alot of votes because of people going... 'Ohh look on TV, she taught me in school, will vote for her because she knows me' Hopefully the novelty of seeing your teacher on TV has worn off with the electorate...

You were using the present and past tenses - I merely called you on such ill-though out nonsense. Clearly you were implying that nobody other than her students voted for her in the past which obviously is complete b******s. But at least have the gallantry to take ownership of that piece of kak and don't mind now trying to reinterpret it and fob it off as 'what'll happen in the next election'.

EoghanRua,

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

The statistic you came up with, was just expressed differently. eg. 1 in 5 voted for her, could also be expressed as 4 out of 5 didn't vote for her. There was no cheap shot. I said you were living in the past because your statistic was from the last general election!

The post stated she must get 'alot' of votes from her former students but you inferred from this 'that nobody other than her students voted for her'

I never wrote 'that nobody other than her students voted for her' That was a product of your mind along with the use of bold and underline to change the emphasis of what was actually written.

The 'complete b******s' as you so crudely put it was written by you.

Mary Hanifin is fair game.

On the subject of jobs, Mary Hanifin comes back with 'there will always be jobs for teachers'.

That answer was just not good enough. There are alot of teachers not working and the majority of the country aren't teachers.

She fobbed the electorate off with her answer.

EoghanRua · 25-01-2011 11:28PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

EoghanRua,

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

The statistic you came up with, was just expressed differently. eg. 1 in 5 voted for her, could also be expressed as 4 out of 5 didn't vote for her. There was no cheap shot. I said you were living in the past because your statistic was from the last general election!

The post stated she must get 'alot' of votes from her former students but you inferred from this 'that nobody other than her students voted for her'

I never wrote 'that nobody other than her students voted for her' That was a product of your mind along with the use of bold and underline to change the emphasis of what was actually written.

The 'complete b******s' as you so crudely put it was written by you.

Mary Hanifin is fair game.

On the subject of jobs, Mary Hanifin comes back with 'there will always be jobs for teachers'.

That answer was just not good enough. There are alot of teachers not working and the majority of the country aren't teachers.

She fobbed the electorate off with her answer.

"nobody other than her students voted for her"............I never accused you of writing this.

What you wrote implied that this made up a significant element of her vote - otherwise why mention her students as opposed to, say, other subsets of her voters such as old-age pensioners or people who have red cars etc? Now please stop trying to wriggle out of what you wrote. If you have some specific information on the breakdown of her vote, why not share it, or else stop talking sh*te.

Mary Hanafin is not fair game to any nitwit hiding behind a user-name on a discussion board. If you have a legitimate criticism/comment to make, let's have it - for example you might start by giving us the question to which she responded and then we can decide on whether the answer was good enough or not. I cannot do so unless I know the question.

If she did say 'there will always be jobs for teachers" then clearly she is utterly correct in the abstract (unless as I have said before there is a plan to dispense with the education service in which case clearly there won't always be jobs for teachers). But there always being jobs for teachers does not mean that you or I have an inalienable right to anything. I suspect this might be the source of your own ranting attitude. But if you have a gripe at least have the cojones to throw it out in the open and defend it.

I look forward to you providing the question for some context on her remark and we'll take it from there.

MonkeyDoo · 26-01-2011 07:55AM

EoghanRua,

You ranted a stream of incoherent crude terms in your last two posts, I don't want to know about your bizarre 'cojone' and 'b******s' fixations, would be alarmed if you actually are left work near children, you're wierd..talking male anatomy in an education forum.

Did you even watch the programme....

Are you serious with your question "If she did say 'there will always be jobs for teachers'"

Can you not read what the title of the thread is....are you trying to re-write history that she didn't say this?

Do you think everyone on the forum imagined it?

You obviously didn't watch the programme and haven't a clue of it's content!! If you can find the programme online it will answer your question..

Don't get so aggressive when a thread criticising Mary Hanifin pops up, she might hang onto her seat and sure if she doesn't, she has her old teaching job waiting for her. Either way the taxpayer will look after her well.

I'm bored with your perverse pointless rants ;-)

EoghanRua · 26-01-2011 03:04PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

EoghanRua,

1) Did you even watch the programme....

2) Are you serious with your question "If she did say 'there will always be jobs for teachers'"

3) Can you not read what the title of the thread is....are you trying to re-write history that she didn't say this?

4) Do you think everyone on the forum imagined it?

5) You obviously didn't watch the programme and haven't a clue of it's content!! If you can find the programme online it will answer your question..

1) No.

2) Yes, quite serious. I didn;t see the programme so I am leaving an element of doubt. Half the country believes Eamon de Valera once said something about comely maiden dancing at the crossroads but he didn't. Things can be misreported. I am allowing for that. I could like you simply assert things I do not know to be the case but I don't do that.

3) Yes, I can read. I have never suggested she didn't say it. Where are you getting that from? I have commented on it on the assumption that she did say it. (And of course she is entirely right.)

4). No. Again you seem to be claiming that I am saying she didn't say it. You should read my posts more carefully.

5) Whether I choose to watch the programme (which I won't dream of doing) is a matter for me. You needn't purport to advise me on the matter. I don'tneed to watch the programme to comment on one sentence uttered. She either said it or she didn'. Me wathcing the programme or not doesn't change that.

delta_bravo · 26-01-2011 10:16PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

The statistic you came up with, was just expressed differently. eg. 1 in 5 voted for her, could also be expressed as 4 out of 5 didn't vote for her.

Not in the Irish Voting system. We use Proportional Representation so your statement is wrong. She got 20% First Preferences but most likely got loads more 2nd,3rd,4th pref votes.

Rosita · 26-01-2011 11:11PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

EoghanRua,

You ranted a stream of incoherent crude terms in your last two posts, I don't want to know about your bizarre 'cojone' and 'b******s' fixations, would be alarmed if you actually are left work near children, you're wierd..talking male anatomy in an education forum.

You really should leave the teacher vetting to the teacher vetting people. Have you been Garda vetted yourself?

Clearly you've neevr been inside a school gate since the day you left judging by some of what you write but it might do you good to get some time in a boys' second-level school, and wonder at 14 year olds gyrating their hips while 'slagging' their 'mate' about what they are doing to the mate's 'Ma' when noone's around. Or 13 year olds asking each other 'would you?' as a female teacher walks past.

Then you might realise that you are like something from the '30s.......the 1830s that is....worrying about soiling little children's minds with bad words.
That ship has long since sailed.

MonkeyDoo · 27-01-2011 11:50AM

Rosita wrote: »

You really should leave the teacher vetting to the teacher vetting people. Have you been Garda vetted yourself?

Clearly you've neevr been inside a school gate since the day you left judging by some of what you write but it might do you good to get some time in a boys' second-level school, and wonder at 14 year olds gyrating their hips while 'slagging' their 'mate' about what they are doing to the mate's 'Ma' when noone's around. Or 13 year olds asking each other 'would you?' as a female teacher walks past.

Then you might realise that you are like something from the '30s.......the 1830s that is....worrying about soiling little children's minds with bad words.
That ship has long since sailed.

If your disillusioned with teaching today there is always politics as a career to consider ;-)

Irish people like electing former teachers...

FF just chose Michael Martin as leader, a former teacher

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/martin-in-dark-over-teacher-pension-value-1727346.html

Can see Michael Martin picking Mary Hanifin as deputy leader....a former teacher

FG leader Enda Kenny a former teacher.....

FG finance minister Michael Noonan.....a former teacher.....,.

Alot of teachers leave their jobs and migrate into politics....maybe that's why Mary Hanifin said there will always be jobs for teachers ;-)

UnLuckyAgain · 27-01-2011 04:48PM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

If your disillusioned with teaching today there is always politics as a career to consider ;-)

Irish people like electing former teachers...

FF just chose Michael Martin as leader, a former teacher

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/martin-in-dark-over-teacher-pension-value-1727346.html

Can see Michael Martin picking Mary Hanifin as deputy leader....a former teacher

FG leader Enda Kenny a former teacher.....

FG finance minister Michael Noonan.....a former teacher.....,.

Alot of teachers leave their jobs and migrate into politics....maybe that's why Mary Hanifin said there will always be jobs for teachers ;-)

Only seems logical, as teaching and schooling is a integral part of community relations. Working and cooperating in local government is the grassroots level of politics...

Rosita · 28-01-2011 12:59AM

MonkeyDoo wrote: »

If your disillusioned with teaching today

Your ability to read things that were not written is baffling

MonkeyDoo · 20-02-2011 08:35PM

So this is why so many teachers are in the Dail with the tax payer subsidising their pension and teacher politicians being able to double job.....beyond belief this....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0220/politics.html

Mary Hanifin should give up her teaching job too, besides bagging a teachers pension as well...not only does she do a crap job but also wants to shaft the tax payer long after shes gone!

#15 · 22-02-2011 12:25AM

How is that relevant to teachers? Or this thread?

Do you think that the average teacher wants Mr. Politician clogging up jobs in the system?:rolleyes:

MonkeyDoo · 23-02-2011 06:54PM

#15 wrote: »

How is that relevant to teachers? Or this thread?

Do you think that the average teacher wants Mr. Politician clogging up jobs in the system?:rolleyes:

Mary Hanifin is a double jobbing teacher politician. When asked about jobs, she replies "ohh there will always be jobs for teachers"

She views the world thru a classroom and the limited real world experience of our 35+ teacher-politicians in the Dail asleep on the job got the country into the mess it's in today.

There is an unfair financial subsidy for teachers to become politicians, FF/FG leaders are both teachers, and the teacher profession are disporportionatly represented in the dail.

Mary Hanafin on Frontline tonight .. Quote: "There will always be jobs for teachers"

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