Are they alot of young people not trying hard enough for work?

discodiva92 · 24-01-2011 07:43AM #1

I have alot of people i know in the 18 to 25 bracket that dont seem to be trying very hard to find work.Do you agree or disagree with this?

scheister · 24-01-2011 07:47AM

this is one statment i'd go further with and say a good lot of them when they are in work dont try even when they have a job. It seems to be a working to make the drink money for the weekend or socialize rather then anything else

Azureus · 24-01-2011 07:54AM

I'd agree with this to a certain extent from going by people I know at least. A lot of them are 'looking for a job' then using the recession/lack of jobs out there as an excuse for not putting themselves out there and really trying! Its a 'sure whats the point anyway' type attitude. One in particular who lives off her parents/getting pocket money for drink etc and refused to go for an interview in Spar (well, pretended to be sick) because she has some kinda superiority complex!

That said, Im 22 and work my ass off to keep my job and a good few of my friends are in the same boat so generalisations never really work, theres always gonna be the dossers.

Gone Drinking · 24-01-2011 11:26AM

The problem with most young people at the moment is that they're qualified tradesmen and no matter how hard they look, they aren't going to find work in that area. A lot of them don't know what else to do, or would feel completely out of the loop working at anything else.

I know a few qualified tradesmen who have gone back to college to study business, after sitting around for ages on the dole hoping work would pick up again.

Problem with guys who know nothing else but how to work on sites, the idea of re-educating is probably very scary.

nyarlothothep · 24-01-2011 02:27PM

I'd question whether you're working hard enough to type grammatically correct posts without lazy generalizations designed to feed your ego.

MagicMarker · 24-01-2011 02:28PM

scheister wrote: »

It seems to be a working to make the drink money for the weekend or socialize rather then anything else

What should they be working for in your opinion?

daenerysstormborn3 · 24-01-2011 03:35PM

I am in the 18-25 age bracket and I am currently unemployed since just before Christmas.

I am in the process of trying to find a job closer to home which is proving impossible and yes, I have applied to local shops, pubs, clubs, restaurants etc. I have sent cvs and also called various places on the phone because sometimes with smaller local places they would tend to do things a bit more informally. My boyfriend (who is born and bred here) has also been in touch with local businesses where he might know someone in the family but no luck yet. The outcome may be that I have to return to a nearly 5 hour daily commute to a job in Dublin (that is if I am successful finding a job in Dubli) which seems to be the only place I can find somewhere that pays above minimum wage.

Lux23 · 24-01-2011 04:31PM

To be honest until you are out of work you really can't judge people whether young or old on hard they try to get work. I never believed how difficult it was until I lost my job, I got sick of having nothing to do all day apart from college work that I begged a friend to let me help him out where he works. I wasn't getting paid but I ended up picking up a few quid here and there so was able to sign off since the mid November which is good for my self esteem anyway.

Also young people who have left school with only their leaving cert used to get decent office/admin jobs or work in the construction sector, now some of these are taking up by college graduates or slightly more experienced and desperate people.

Scheister - Would you ever think of practising what you preach and take the wise advice in your signature?

Wile E. Coyote · 24-01-2011 06:11PM

I lined up 6 applicants today for interview. Permanent position with good wages. Of the 6 I had lined up the 3 youngest (aged 24, 26 & 29) didn't bother to turn up or even call to reschedule. Another 25 year old that submitted a c.v then decided the 20min drive was too far so wouldn't even agree to an interview. And they say the young people are crying out for jobs :rolleyes:

junipergreen · 24-01-2011 06:30PM

Do you have any idea how depressing it is trying to get a job at the moment? For every 50 applications you send off you might get one interview, and then of course you get so excited at the prospect of finally having a job. But then half the time after going to the bother of attending you never hear from them again. What exactly is the point of trying? Oh yes, because living on the dole is no fun. It is so damn disheartening to try and try, to apply for jobs you know you are qualified for and more than capable of doing, and then still not get an interview.

Why this continual obsession with "spongers" and "wasters" and people "not trying" to get a job when we all know perfectly well that there aren't enough jobs out there?

daenerysstormborn3 · 24-01-2011 06:37PM

To even get acknowledgement of an application would be nice instead of being left second guessing yourself. To get a response after an interview whether it be positive or negative would be nice so you can just put it to bed and move on to the next thing.

Lux23 · 24-01-2011 06:44PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

I lined up 6 applicants today for interview. Permanent position with good wages. Of the 6 I had lined up the 3 youngest (aged 24, 26 & 29) didn't bother to turn up or even call to reschedule. Another 25 year old that submitted a c.v then decided the 20min drive was too far so wouldn't even agree to an interview. And they say the young people are crying out for jobs :rolleyes:

What kind of job is it?

junipergreen · 24-01-2011 06:49PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

To even get acknowledgement of an application would be nice instead of being left second guessing yourself. To get a response after an interview whether it be positive or negative would be nice so you can just put it to bed and move on to the next thing.

Exactly. Common decency has gone completely out the window as far as I can tell.

Lux23 · 24-01-2011 07:31PM

junipergreen wrote: »

Exactly. Common decency has gone completely out the window as far as I can tell.

If I don't get a response within a week I keep calling them till I do. If a company does that I believe it shows how unprofessional they are.

Nolanger · 24-01-2011 07:43PM

discodiva92 wrote: »

Do you agree or disagree with this?

Agree, why should they? Wait until they're married and have kids and then they can start making a living.

rivalius13 · 24-01-2011 09:03PM

I assume you're all following these people around to make sure they aren't looking for jobs and are in fact just lazing around at home all day. Right? Or do you just wanna throw out some generalisations?

junipergreen · 24-01-2011 10:45PM

Lux23 wrote: »

If I don't get a response within a week I keep calling them till I do. If a company does that I believe it shows how unprofessional they are.

You're so right. Think I'm going to make some calls in the morning

Mr. Loverman · 24-01-2011 10:50PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I'd question whether you're working hard enough to type grammatically correct posts without lazy generalizations designed to feed your ego.

The word generalise does not come from the Greek language. Therefore you should really use generalisations instead of generalizations as we speak British English in Ireland.

/Can outdo any grammar nazi, even after a bottle of wine.

mossyc123 · 24-01-2011 11:01PM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

The problem with most young people at the moment is that they're qualified tradesmen and no matter how hard they look, they aren't going to find work in that area. A lot of them don't know what else to do, or would feel completely out of the loop working at anything else.

I know a few qualified tradesmen who have gone back to college to study business, after sitting around for ages on the dole hoping work would pick up again.

Problem with guys who know nothing else but how to work on sites, the idea of re-educating is probably very scary.

If I was in a position to take someone on for a basic job in retail or something low-skilled i'd definitely go with a young lad who had worked on the sites ahead of someone who had only worked in these sorts of jobs before.

Working on the sites has given some of them a work ethic like no other.

Hauling blocks and bricks around since 16/18 is much harder work then stocking shelves and operating a till.

Anyone can master these fairly basic skills and I believe it comes down to work ethic.

Employers are seriously missing out by not considering these young lads.

nyarlothothep · 24-01-2011 11:25PM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

The word generalise does not come from the Greek language. Therefore you should really use generalisations instead of generalizations as we speak British English in Ireland.

/Can outdo any grammar nazi, even after a bottle of wine.

Nah I'm hardly a grammar nazi, the title of the post was terribly worded. You're just taking pot shots as a wind up. Anyway I'm a grammar libertarian on the issue of american vs english spelling as can be seen, I just expect posts to be coherent and rational.

Mr. Loverman · 24-01-2011 11:33PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Nah I'm hardly a grammar nazi, the title of the post was terribly worded. You're just taking pot shots as a wind up. Anyway I'm a grammar libertarian on the issue of american vs english spelling as can be seen, I just expect posts to be coherent and rational.

Nah, I think you're just being harsh on someone who probably doesn't speak English as a first language.

Cavehill Red · 24-01-2011 11:35PM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

The word generalise does not come from the Greek language. Therefore you should really use generalisations instead of generalizations as we speak British English in Ireland.

/Can outdo any grammar nazi, even after a bottle of wine.

Actually, we speak Hiberno-English, Nazi boy.

nyarlothothep · 24-01-2011 11:36PM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Nah, I think you're just being harsh on someone who probably doesn't speak English as a first language.

Yeah of course I'm harsh on a fcking stupid argument based on an assumption that all young people are scroungers. Those are my final words on the matter, I have better things to do than get into a ridiculous tit for tat internet cock measuring contest with you.

Mr. Loverman · 24-01-2011 11:39PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Yeah of course I'm harsh on a fcking stupid argument based on an assumption that all young people are scroungers. Those are my final words on the matter, I have better things to do than get into a ridiculous tit for tat internet cock measuring contest with you.

Bit of an overreaction there I think, but fair enough...

mrsbyrne · 24-01-2011 11:57PM

meanwhile, back on topic, im puzzled. my 20 year old college drop out nephew went for a job in security, no qualifications, no pull, no sense, wouldn't work to warm himself. got the job, supposed to be just part-time now working 40-50 hours a week 10.50 euro per hour. yeah its unsociable hours but he gets to watch tv, facebook without restriction, stalk his girlfriend by text message and admire his spotty reflection in the mirror. his sister aged 18 (goody goody first year arts in maynooth) queued like everybody else for a application form for a job in a popular fashion chain. queued again for an interview. dont know how they understood her shes extremely softly-spoken. of course she got the job euro9.15 per hour despite having no previous experience or pull. come to think of it has never as much as made a cup of tea in her life, but admittedly would have the preferred "look" for this fashion chain. also could be working 40 hours per week, but needs 16 hours in bed to recover from even one 6 hour shift. has anyone else a similar story?

Denerick · 25-01-2011 12:04AM

Yes and no. Since graduating I was originally quite picky. Eventually I started throwing cvs around every retail unit in a 40 mile radius! Eventually got a full time job in a supermarket. There are jobs out there, but mostly low paid, and quite a lot of graduates are too proud to do these kinds of jobs. That said I basically have STOPGAP printed on my forehead.

Besides, I don't really see emigration as a tragedy. Anyone I know living in England or further afield are having the time of their life.

orchidsrpretty · 25-01-2011 12:32AM

There are jobs out there for people who are willing to work. Myself, I have 2 part-time jobs(both low paid but jobs all the same) one which I got in the last week. I am in my last year of college, but neither job is related to my degree. I also have a friend who just moved from another country who got a job after being here after 1 week. I do belive that there are jobs out there, but the incentive to work on min wage is just not there.

junipergreen · 25-01-2011 01:07AM

orchidsrpretty wrote: »

There are jobs out there for people who are willing to work. Myself, I have 2 part-time jobs(both low paid but jobs all the same) one which I got in the last week. I am in my last year of college, but neither job is related to my degree. I also have a friend who just moved from another country who got a job after being here after 1 week. I do belive that there are jobs out there, but the incentive to work on min wage is just not there.

So why are some employers still receiving hundreds of applications for the crappiest of jobs? I interviewed for a job before Christmas that received 70 applications even though the ad was only up for one day? The job was just above minimum wage and only for 4 weeks. No matter what way you try to spin it, there are not jobs out there for everyone who wants one, not even at minimum wage.

briano · 25-01-2011 01:18PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

...has anyone else a similar story?

Similar as in really spiteful and Mean-spirited? Your Niece and Nephew have both gone out, gotten jobs and are working 40+ hours a week in roles that clearly place demands on them, be it working un-social hours or balancing a customer facing role with college.

If I was in first year and working 40 hours a week, I'd want to have a sleep in every now and again too.

MagicMarker · 25-01-2011 01:25PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

meanwhile, back on topic, im puzzled. my 20 year old college drop out nephew went for a job in security, no qualifications, no pull, no sense, wouldn't work to warm himself. got the job, supposed to be just part-time now working 40-50 hours a week 10.50 euro per hour. yeah its unsociable hours but he gets to watch tv, facebook without restriction, stalk his girlfriend by text message and admire his spotty reflection in the mirror. his sister aged 18 (goody goody first year arts in maynooth) queued like everybody else for a application form for a job in a popular fashion chain. queued again for an interview. dont know how they understood her shes extremely softly-spoken. of course she got the job euro9.15 per hour despite having no previous experience or pull. come to think of it has never as much as made a cup of tea in her life, but admittedly would have the preferred "look" for this fashion chain. also could be working 40 hours per week, but needs 16 hours in bed to recover from even one 6 hour shift. has anyone else a similar story?

Sounds like jealousy to me.

dan_d · 25-01-2011 06:46PM

http://news.eircom.net/topstories/19187053/

I don't think so.
I was unemployed for the last 6 months. I've 5 years experience behind me, and a good qualification....and it was very,very hard to find work.Very hard. I can't imagine how hard it is for them. They've little or nothing by way of experience in the case of many of them. Fair enough, they could take a job in a shop or whatever - but seriously, how long can that last for?? Taking the job for a while is fine, but if you suddenly find yourself there for 2 or 3 years....while the economy "picks up" or "gets better"......and suddenly those who come out of college 3 or 4 years after you have a better chance of getting a job in your career line.
At this stage, I don't think it's a case of not trying hard enough. There aren't enough jobs, and certainly not for young people. And worse, nobody is even trying to address the problem - the assumption is that emigration will take care of the problem, and it'll all sort itself out.

Are they alot of young people not trying hard enough for work?

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