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  • #512
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    *melanie* wrote: »
    ok, I posted this in the Kilkenny forum a couple days ago...
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70140307#post70140307

    But seriously, I am not buying the ''this is normal'' thing.

    I always look to the sky, but the increase of air traffic in the last few days is just undeniable, and astounding me.

    In the post you see from that link, that was the info from a fday or two ago. Now Today, it's been even more so.

    This is NOT normal!
    Chemtrails - Contrails, I don't bloody know, but something is definitely going on. No doubt about it.

    I am not normally one to be thats weird.I saw today over Tallaght hills.In space of an hour 16.And its been every day now.


  • #513
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone is recording the variations in diurnal temperatures when contrasted with the number of observed persistent contrals. There is already evidence to show that run-of-the-mill contrails cause changes in these variations. Why are people so preoccupied with fighting straw men when facts like that exist?

    Contrails can and do have an effect on our weather. Is any of it taken into accout when forecasting though? Maybe there's a reason that so many people are noticing these contrails now, as opposed to 10 years ago. It seems bizzare to me that contrails are so difficult to predict, or why virtually no data exists which allows people to do so.
    I believe there was some research that showed temperatures in the US rising for the few days after 9/11 when all the planes were grounded. The contrails raise the planet's albedo and bounce more heat back out of the atmosphere.

    I'd guess the reason this probably real phenomenon is ignored by CT folks is because there isn't really any obvious villain to point at. Or perhaps because it may actually be provable...:)

    Edit: I see that's exactly the study you linked to :o


  • #514
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    caseyann wrote: »
    I am not normally one to be thats weird.I saw today over Tallaght hills.In space of an hour 16.And its been every day now.
    How long do you think contrails can persist? And how many planes do you think fly over Dublin per hour?

    I'm trying really hard to point you towards common sense here, it hasn't worked so far. :(


  • #515
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    How long do you think contrails can persist? And how many planes do you think fly over Dublin per hour?

    I'm trying really hard to point you towards common sense here, it hasn't worked so far. :(

    Ah yeah i can see what you are saying.
    I like keeping my mind open and if something doesn't look right i try to find what does.If i eventually see for myself i am mistaken i will be happy.
    Maybe you should think about, it is possible something doesn't look right if people are looking who never did before and saying it looks odd.Before saying no you are wrong all the time.
    I saw them 6 in a row one after other going in the same direction and all turned together.
    And if you tell me that malarkey of the invisible line which we all know about already,couldnt picture 6 of them taking off one after the other and following in the same coordinates.Unless military? So is there some military jets we dont know about?
    If the air show was coming soon i would be ok that makes sense.


  • #516
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    caseyann wrote: »
    And if you tell me that malarkey of the invisible line which we all know about already,couldnt picture 6 of them taking off one after the other and following in the same coordinates.Unless military? So is there some military jets we dont know about?
    If the air show was coming soon i would be ok that makes sense.
    But they wouldn't all have to take off from the same place at the same time to arrive in Dublin airspace at the same time (e.g. Aer Lingus flight from San Fran takes off at 14:00, and NY flight takes off at 17:00 etc etc, they arrive here around the same time.

    To be honest, stuff like volumes of flights and flight paths is beyond my knowledge, but the info is definitely out there and they'd probably know all about it if you ask on the aviation board.


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  • #517
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    But they wouldn't all have to take off from the same place at the same time to arrive in Dublin airspace at the same time (e.g. Aer Lingus flight from San Fran takes off at 14:00, and NY flight takes off at 17:00 etc etc, they arrive here around the same time.

    To be honest, stuff like volumes of flights and flight paths is beyond my knowledge, but the info is definitely out there and they'd probably know all about it if you ask on the aviation board.


    I dont know,it just looks unusual from my perspective,as i drive and walk every morning for last 5 years in those directions and never before in clear skies ever seen anything like i am now.Usually see a plane or two flying over and wouldn't give a second thought.
    Even if it was true nothing we mere mortals can do in this world as the governments and the billionaires are the masters.Back to the day of Romans.
    But ah what do i care really just interesting.


  • #518
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    im pretty sure the irish independant lifted the lid on chemtrails a couple of years back.im remember reading that nasa where spraying the the skys when the ryder cup was on to prevent rain. i remember cause i was up in dublin that day to go a confernence in croke park and i was really really warm and sticky loads of clouds and no rain magic!!!:D


  • #519
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    actualy Monty Burnz

    you and few others are guilty of skipping over alot of serious documentaries on this thread about chemtrails.

    you and few of your boards.ie buddies seem to plant the seeds of doubt in people enquiring about chemtrails.

    your skeptical and questioning alot of peoples pics evidence but you ignore and overlook alot here and cherry pick your arguments.

    i am a skeptic myself. i believe in science. but i am open minded.

    none of your arguments have proven chemtrails beyond reasonable doubt.

    the evidence for high levels of aluminium found all over the globe in regions after chemtrail spraying flights over head is evident in several docus.

    i challenge you and your fellow skeptics to watch any of the vids i offered here on this thread open for debate

    really i would love to know what makes you so sure and certain.

    because alot evidnece out there is contrary to your own concluisons.

    i wonder are you a member of the freemasons?

    ive had severe migraines today and i got sick twice. am not sure whats causing it. my sister is also sick albeit she lives in another county which is also being heavily chem sprayed - so much so people have protested over it.

    you also need to offer up your understanding of chemtrails v contrails. if indeed you claim they are one and same id like to see how you can explain how one lingers disperse later and forms clouds adn the other disappears and vanishes without clouds afterwards?

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
    Arthur Schopenhauer


  • #520
    AhSureTisGrand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    "none of your arguments have proven chemtrails beyond reasonable doubt."

    I assume you mean disprove. Anyway the burden of proof lies upon the one making the claim. Y'know, Russell's Teapot and such


  • #521
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    ok i just got a moment to check the skies, and to my dismay i counted 8 planes chemtrailing over the Gorey skies of wexford right now.

    they have obvious kriss krosses thats getting all too familiar these days.

    only today the trails are at an etreme 45" degree vertical angle i havent seen before.

    the sun has the sky a red colour too so it makes the trails more prominent.

    i took more pics on my phone. not sure how i can upload them..

    some pilots are turning at 45 " angles and leavng the trail at right angles as if to prove or as if to state we are not your average pilots here. we are skilled highly trained pilots and show boating.

    fact 2 and 3 planes can fly so close as they spray sametime also disntinguishes them as skilled pilots.

    they aint contrail there leaving . definite chemtrails. and i can see earlier ones now dispersing to form the clouds that is regularily blocking our skies form sunlight. no wonder theres a freeze on ! when they keep blocking the sun!

    -just saw 2 planes streamin chemtrails on a easterly course almost parallel very close, was daring flight bcos oncoming was a single jet flying very similar approach from the east heading directly westerly and they passsed each other so close!

    lots trails now and its obvious attempt to bring trails together and coverage blanket clouds

    if anyone can get to local councilors and ask whats the story pls do.

    gotta run.

    peace all


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  • #522
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    actualy Monty Burnz

    you and few others are guilty of skipping over alot of serious documentaries on this thread about chemtrails.

    you and few of your boards.ie buddies seem to plant the seeds of doubt in people enquiring about chemtrails.

    your skeptical and questioning alot of peoples pics evidence but you ignore and overlook alot here and cherry pick your arguments.

    i am a skeptic myself. i believe in science. but i am open minded.

    none of your arguments have proven chemtrails beyond reasonable doubt.

    the evidence for high levels of aluminium found all over the globe in regions after chemtrail spraying flights over head is evident in several docus.

    i challenge you and your fellow skeptics to watch any of the vids i offered here on this thread open for debate

    really i would love to know what makes you so sure and certain.

    because alot evidnece out there is contrary to your own concluisons.

    i wonder are you a member of the freemasons?
    This is paranoia tbh.


  • #523
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    AhSureTisGrand wrote: »
    "none of your arguments have proven chemtrails beyond reasonable doubt."

    I assume you mean disprove. Anyway the burden of proof lies upon the one making the claim. Y'know, Russell's Teapot and such

    Something that a lot of Conspiracy Theorists don't seem to realise or acknowledge


  • #524
    RoboClam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    actualy Monty Burnz

    you and few others are guilty of skipping over alot of serious documentaries on this thread about chemtrails.

    you and few of your boards.ie buddies seem to plant the seeds of doubt in people enquiring about chemtrails.

    your skeptical and questioning alot of peoples pics evidence but you ignore and overlook alot here and cherry pick your arguments.

    Many of us are ignoring these documentaries because A. They have been discussed in this thread already or B. They do not cite any sources for what they are saying. If proper testing was carried out for these documentaries then I would be able to interpret their data for myself.
    i am a skeptic myself. i believe in science. but i am open minded.

    none of your arguments have proven chemtrails beyond reasonable doubt.

    the evidence for high levels of aluminium found all over the globe in regions after chemtrail spraying flights over head is evident in several docus.

    It's been said to death, but you cannot disprove something like this. All I can do is offer some counter evidence to your claims. For example you say that high levels of aluminium has been found in certain regions of the globe after chemtrailing, therefore chemtrails are real.

    The problem with this argument is that Aluminium is actually a natural component of soil which you can read about here and in many many other papers. It's levels fluctuate around the world due to many factors including presence of volcanic soils, differing pH, heavy rainfall and type of vegetation.
    Aluminium (Al) is a natural constituent of all soils and its different forms are widely distributed over the soil profile. Aluminium represents 8% of the total soil mineral content. Most soil Al is bound to the soil mineral structure with only a relatively small proportion released to soil solution. Nevertheless, Boudot et al. consider soil solution transport due to high precipitation under acidic conditions together with dissolution of amorphous Al forms and some other potentially toxic elements, to be a chemical time-bomb [1]. This process represents a serious threat mainly in soils under forest cover [2 and 3].
    Aluminium concentration in soil solution depends mainly on soil pH, as has been observed and proved by many researchers. However, the influence of soil pH on Al behaviour is strongly modified by the presence of complexing fractions of soil organic matter [4 and 5]. The distribution of organically bound Al forms between solid and liquid soil phases results from several equilibrium processes. Aluminium can form mobile, easily soluble complexes with low molecular weight organic matter [5], but it can also be bound into insoluble organic complexes [6]. Obviously, the content and quality of soil organic matter is determined by soil exploitation and the type of vegetation cover.
    i challenge you and your fellow skeptics to watch any of the vids i offered here on this thread open for debate

    How about you just post some of your evidence in bullet points so they can be easily addressed? I don't enjoy trawling through endless youtube videos, but I have no problem researching any claims you make.
    really i would love to know what makes you so sure and certain.

    because alot evidnece out there is contrary to your own concluisons.

    I would love to see this evidence.
    ive had severe migraines today and i got sick twice. am not sure whats causing it. my sister is also sick albeit she lives in another county which is also being heavily chem sprayed - so much so people have protested over it.

    Bacterial or viral infection? An anecdote of two different people being sick at the same time is not evidence that there is a mass chemtrailing operation. For example, I have not been sick at all this year or last neither has my friend in a different country. Did I just prove that chemtrails are not the cause of sickness? No. I proved nothing.

    If you are as concerned about this as you say, I suggest you visit a doctor. I'd be interested to see if he says that you are suffering from acute Aluminium/Barium poisoning.
    you also need to offer up your understanding of chemtrails v contrails. if indeed you claim they are one and same id like to see how you can explain how one lingers disperse later and forms clouds adn the other disappears and vanishes without clouds afterwards?

    Look at this picture:
    http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/Contrail_Formation_English.jpg

    And this link explains in more detail the different factors leading to contrail/persistent contrails

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6X19-4GJM3SX-4&_user=10&_coverDate=06/30/2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=23324b00fd08f44df25daa03a6ea0f53&searchtype=a

    Contrails are described as:
    According to the Schmidt–Appleman criterion [1,10], contrail formation is expected thermodynamically due to the increase
    in relative humidity (RH) that occurs in the engine plume as a result of mixing of heat and water vapour between the warm and
    moist exhaust and the cool ambient air, and as a consequence of the non-linear increase of saturation humidity with temperature,
    see Fig. 1. When the ambient atmosphere is cold enough, with temperature below a threshold temperature, humidity may reach
    liquid saturation in the young plume behind the aircraft. Then liquid water droplets form, by condensation of water vapour
    mainly on soot and volatile particles in the exhaust plume. Saturation with respect to ice is not sufficient for contrail formation
    [10–15]. Many of the liquid droplets freeze soon thereafter and form ice particles

    And the persistent forms are described as:
    Contrails are short-lived when the ambient air is dry, with relative humidity below saturation over an ice surface so that the
    ice particles forming in the contrail evaporate. Often, contrails disappear after seconds to minutes, between one and several ten
    kilometres behind the aircraft.
    Contrails persist if the ambient humidity is larger than saturation humidity over ice surfaces (relative humidity over ice RHi
    larger than 100%). In such ice-supersaturated air masses, the ice particles within the contrails grow by deposition of water
    vapour molecules from the ambient air. Contrails may persist as long as the ambient air in which the contrail forms stays
    ice-supersaturated [32].

    It's a very interesting paper which also goes into more detail about the possible effects that contrails are having on the environment.

    Finally, I'd like to point out that this isn't the first time that I've shared these links on this thread. I know it's a long thread but it gets tiring when people repeat the same claims about contrails without ever addressing my arguments.


  • #525
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    There is a scary amount of activity over the South Dublin skies today.

    I have some photos i'll upload later, day before yesterday jet passed over my window it produced a neat and consistent contrail which dispersed very shortly behind it.

    Today an awful lot of activity in the sky and jet going by are bellowing out "contrails" nothing like that of the previous days, the skies are hazy and it's all from dispersing contrails of criss crossing flights.

    I've been keeping watchful eyes on the skies and to date I've not seen this amount of activity.

    If anyone does not believe this at this point, try talking to a pilot, hell ask the question on the aviation forum how contrails react they hit the air.

    Time to wake up, very real and serious issue that's going on.


  • #526
    MRPRO03
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭MRPRO03


    There is an incredible amount planes coiming through Navan today, I counted about 15 planes in a 20 minute period and still coming. Guess what, the skies are full of long 'contrails', not saying it is Chemtrails, but I never ever seen so many planes in such short periods of time. Half the sky almost is convered by these 'contrails'. I get some photos up later.


  • #527
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Samba wrote: »
    There is a scary amount of activity over the South Dublin skies today.

    I have some photos i'll upload later, day before yesterday jet passed over my window it produced a neat and consistent contrail which dispersed very shortly behind it.

    Today an awful lot of activity in the sky and jet going by are bellowing out "contrails" nothing like that of the previous days, the skies are hazy and it's all from dispersing contrails of criss crossing flights.

    I've been keeping watchful eyes on the skies and to date I've not seen this amount of activity.

    If anyone does not believe this at this point, try talking to a pilot, hell ask the question on the aviation forum how contrails react they hit the air.

    Time to wake up, very real and serious issue that's going on.
    Please read the explanations for this non-mystery on this thread. The post immediately before yours may be a good place to start.


  • #528
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    RoboClam wrote: »
    Many of us are ignoring these documentaries because A. They have been discussed in this thread already or B. They do not cite any sources for what they are saying. If proper testing was carried out for these documentaries then I would be able to interpret their data for myself.

    To my knowledge, one was worth watching and gave an informative view with actual figures on water measurements. With out the crack pot attitude :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxvWLrUeE8&


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Please read the explanations for this non-mystery on this thread. The post immediately before yours may be a good place to start.
    Finally, I'd like to point out that this isn't the first time that I've shared these links on this thread. I know it's a long thread but it gets tiring when people repeat the same claims about contrails without ever addressing my arguments.

    What post? :D

    I don't have the time right this minute to argue your points, at a glance, they look rock solid though!

    One very brief point i'll make, atmospheric conditions were quite similar today and the day before yesterday, however I can't comment on particular altitude conditions at which these planes were flying at to be fair.

    It would be nice to take this over to the aviation forum on a fact finding mission be it to discredit or credit the theory.

    For the record - I hope you're right!


  • #529
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭kirving


    You've been keeping an eye on the skies yeah?

    How many planes have been passing over every day?
    What types of aircfaft were they, who operated them?
    What speed were they flying at?
    What kind of engines/wing design did they have?
    What percentage of those have been leaving contrails?
    What altitude were those planes flying at?
    What was the air temperature at that flight level?
    What was the air pressure at the FL?

    Without those basic questions (and probably 100 more), you can't even say more planes have been flying over, never mind claiming that they are chemtrails.

    Time to wake up to what? The fact that you think more planes have bene flying over recently because you only notice contrails since the sky has been nice and clear these past few days?


  • #530
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Samba wrote: »
    It would be nice to take this over to the aviation forum on a fact finding mission be it to discredit or credit the theory.

    For the record - I hope you're right!
    Definitely - those guys would have loads of useful info on traffic levels, flight paths, behaviour of the planes, behaviour of the contrails in different environmental conditions, the changes in engine technology on modern jets and so on.


  • #531
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    You've been keeping an eye on the skies yeah?

    How many planes have been passing over every day?
    What types of aircfaft were they, who operated them?
    What speed were they flying at?
    What kind of engines/wing design did they have?
    What percentage of those have been leaving contrails?
    What altitude were those planes flying at?
    What was the air temperature at that flight level?
    What was the air pressure at the FL?

    Without those basic questions (and probably 100 more), you can't even say more planes have been flying over, never mind claiming that they are chemtrails.

    Time to wake up to what? The fact that you think more planes have bene flying over recently because you only notice contrails since the sky has been nice and clear these past few days?

    Read my post again please, I never stated "chemtrails" I'm also aware of how general my statements were :), I work from home and I'm usually sitting at one particularly large window during work hours. I was merely sharing my general observations, never seen so much flight activity which all left persistent contrails. O.k on the wake up remark, I retract that statement, had my conspiracy theory goggles on.

    I know what your getting at but in reality the only real way to test this to be 100% certain would be to take samples directly from one of these persistent contrails, unfortunately that's not going to happen for a multitude of reasons.

    Back for more discussion later :)


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  • #532
    MRPRO03
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭MRPRO03


    From my observations today, in the morning, clear blue skies, with hardly any clouds, an hour later, I go outside and see 'contrails' everywhere with more being visible with a number of planes coming, this was happening for about 3 hours and all of a sudden, it stops, no planes anywhere to be seen.

    Surely if this was natural, planes would still be coming with 'contrails' virtually for the whole day, I have seen the odd planes here and there and they had no 'contrails' at all. For a one part of the day for it happen and another not, does make me wonder.


  • #533
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    On rte one i was just watching the news and then the weather came on , so she said there is chcococontraiiiiiaailllls over ireland and its caused by exhaust "fufufumes" from aeroplanes , and thats todays weather .


  • #534
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    MRPRO03 wrote: »
    From my observations today, in the morning, clear blue skies, with hardly any clouds, an hour later, I go outside and see 'contrails' everywhere with more being visible with a number of planes coming, this was happening for about 3 hours and all of a sudden, it stops, no planes anywhere to be seen.

    Surely if this was natural, planes would still be coming with 'contrails' virtually for the whole day, I have seen the odd planes here and there and they had no 'contrails' at all. For a one part of the day for it happen and another not, does make me wonder.

    I just made a thread in aviation if you want to add anything there.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056155382


  • #535
    hawkwind23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭hawkwind23


    met a guy in pub last night who mentiond these chemtrails/contrails

    googled it today and looked to the skies , full of them in meath today.

    then the clinker , mentioned on the rte weather

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1089599

    about 47 mins in


  • #536
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    I watched the weather again on the player , she said "during the afternoon now , high cloud or so called cooonnntraiillls built up this line of wispy clouds produced by the condensation clouds , really artificial clouds produced by the eeehhhmmm exhaust fumes from aircraft engines and we do have quite a lot of those in the sky tonight " :rolleyes:

    And what it says on the weather news screen there is :

    "Contrails = condensation trails"

    "Artificial cloud made by the exhaust fumes of aircraft engines"


  • #537
    saraskas
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    would you lads expect to see on the weather news to hear that sky is covered by chemtrails :D
    I never heard on weather news talking about contrails (except today). Most likely they got a lot of phone calls today because the sky was crisscrossed by the chemtrails- contrails today


  • #538
    chebonaparte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sZiYY9QA8&feature=related

    heres a snippet of gerry ryan from couple years ago r.i.p.


    heres the weather bulletin of today

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4d8NP5YnjU



    thsi is the 1st irish mainstream tv. reference to contrails ive seen..

    they are openly admitting it now! said clouds are form aircraft!

    they cant hide it so they are coming out and telling us ah sure it just contrails!

    google vid educate yourselves . theres world difference between chemtrails n contrails and even rte's weather chart shows how much they have sprayed are coutnry.

    could they be preparing cyclones ? when the weather front moves to Atlantic will it become a hurricane?

    or is it just ton block the sunlight out?

    that could be good or bad thing depends but if they drop toxic aluminium barium as suggested in gerry ryans piece now wonder birds n fish are croaking it and people getting sick


  • #539
    uprising2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sZiYY9QA8&feature=related

    heres a snippet of gerry ryan from couple years ago r.i.p.


    heres the weather bulletin of today

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4d8NP5YnjU



    thsi is the 1st irish mainstream tv. reference to contrails ive seen..

    they are openly admitting it now! said clouds are form aircraft!

    they cant hide it so they are coming out and telling us ah sure it just contrails!

    google vid educate yourselves . theres world difference between chemtrails n contrails and even rte's weather chart shows how much they have sprayed are coutnry.

    could they be preparing cyclones ? when the weather front moves to Atlantic will it become a hurricane?

    or is it just ton block the sunlight out?

    that could be good or bad thing depends but if they drop toxic aluminium barium as suggested in gerry ryans piece now wonder birds n fish are croaking it and people getting sick

    Yea just noticed that tonight, mention of contrails on the weather, thought it was a bit odd alright, no clouds in the sky today but plenty of chemical trails from aircraft.


  • #540
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Samba wrote: »
    I know what your getting at but in reality the only real way to test this to be 100% certain would be to take samples directly from one of these persistent contrails, unfortunately that's not going to happen for a multitude of reasons
    It could be done very easily if the proponents of chemtrails actually wanted to put their theories to the test. Send up another plane to take samples. Why won't they do that? Tap Jim Corr for a few bob.


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  • #541
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    chebonaparte wrote: »
    google vid educate yourselves
    I'm sorry, but the education that you will get from google vids is not education in the conventional sense. How do you know that what you are being told is accurate? You don't.

    You keep saying that your mind is open, but you haven't refuted a single one of the points made by the people saying that chemtrails are fantasy, and yet you keep telling us that there's definitely a conspiracy because you've seen another few contrails or some random claim on the internet somewhere.

    You have made up your mind on this. I think you are wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion of course. I won't be answering any more of your posts though because you just ignore what I say.


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