Prime Time last week. Parish Priest and Serial Abuser Walsh

JimiTime · 18-01-2011 12:37PM #1

Its crazy, I was born and raised in Ballyfermot, the parish of the serial abuser, Walsh. By the time I was in School, he had been moved, but his infamy as the 'Elvis' priest remained.

Here's the thing. I have a friend who's in his fifties who recalls Walsh, and we were only talking about him the other night after Prime Time's programme about him. He said that loads of people knew what he did at the time, other clergy, members of the community etc, yet he was still treated with reverence.

:eek: I was flabbergasted! Such a fear existed of the RCC, that even the community allowed it to go on. I was completely shocked!

Not only did the RCC hierarchy enable him to abuse, and provide him with victims, but the community knew it was happening and done nothing??!!

I grew up at a time when the RCC's grip on the country was slipping steadily, so I've only got the stories of when the RCC had such power over the people. It seems that this great shame of abuse perpetrated and covered up by the RC clergy, is also a great shame on both the state and the communities that knew and done nothing. Its so frightening, so sad, and so frightening.

SonOfAdam · 18-01-2011 01:41PM

And that is the real tragedy in all of this; that they were allowed to continue to abuse even after it was discovered they were abusers. The attitude of the 'church' towards victims, where in some circles were deemed as culpable as the perpetrator, is truly shocking but should not surprise in a fallen world where self-interest is king. Unfortunately, attitudes won't change while damage limitation is preferable to repentance.

antiskeptic · 18-01-2011 03:36PM

SonOfAdam wrote: »

Unfortunately, attitudes won't change while damage limitation is preferable to repentance.

Every cloud has a silver lining. Folk aren't stupid: they know when the truth is being twisted and spun to own end. Which can only further damage the structure the twister resides in.

Fr. McNamee (of Murphy Report infamy) was called Father Smack My Gee by the kids who used the pool (of all things) he had built at his house. It's the kind of thing which might have sounded like a nickname to our parents at the time. Hopefully parents in future will pay more attention to the subtleties

ubertrad · 18-01-2011 05:21PM

antiskeptic wrote: »

Every cloud has a silver lining. Folk aren't stupid: they know when the truth is being twisted and spun to own end. Which can only further damage the structure the twister resides in.

Fr. McNamee (of Murphy Report infamy) was called Father Smack My Gee by the kids who used the pool (of all things) he had built at his house. It's the kind of thing which might have sounded like a nickname to our parents at the time. Hopefully parents in future will pay more attention to the subtleties

What's a gee? I might be a parent some day, so I need to be initiated into the subtleties.

A priest should not have a swimming pool at his house, inviting local kids around nor do Elvis impersonations. St. John Vianney would be scandalised.

antiskeptic · 19-01-2011 10:46AM

ubertrad wrote: »

What's a gee? I might be a parent some day, so I need to be initiated into the subtleties.

A priest should not have a swimming pool at his house, inviting local kids around nor do Elvis impersonations. St. John Vianney would be scandalised.

Gee was the universally known name for a vagina when I was a lad. Indeed, when told by someone that the real name for a gee was a vagina I didn't believe him.

A priest shouldn't be abusing kids is the full stop of what should and shouldn't be. Just prior to that we have a system of church that allows priests to build private pools- that shouldn't be either.

Whether or not the shrivelled mortal remains of a man are scandalised comes somewhere towards the bottom of the list of concerns. I would have thought.

Dempo1 · 19-01-2011 11:02AM

Its appalling stuff and Tony Walsh was the worst of the very worst. I am concerned about the History of Pedophile priests seemingly posted to Ballyfermot. Another notorious abuser, Bill Carney was also posted there and there have been suggestions in the media of a pedophile ring involving Carney and a number of other priests.

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 04:33PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Its appalling stuff and Tony Walsh was the worst of the very worst. I am concerned about the History of Pedophile priests seemingly posted to Ballyfermot. Another notorious abuser, Bill Carney was also posted there and there have been suggestions in the media of a pedophile ring involving Carney and a number of other priests.

Most of the abuse was actually homosexual predation. Not sure about the Walsh case but I would expect it would be the same.

In America, the vast majority of the abuse cases were homosexual predation.

AhSureTisGrand · 19-01-2011 04:46PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Most of the abuse was actually homosexual predation. Not sure about the Walsh case but I would expect it would be the same.

In America, the vast majority of the abuse cases were homosexual predation.

Ah yes, blame homosexuality. Ignore the fact that priests had greater access to boys, and that sexual abuse is about control rather than the buttsecks itself

Fanny Cradock · 19-01-2011 05:09PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Most of the abuse was actually homosexual predation. Not sure about the Walsh case but I would expect it would be the same.

In America, the vast majority of the abuse cases were homosexual predation.

Not sure what the significance of this is. Crimes were committed and they were covered up.

Dempo1 · 19-01-2011 05:42PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Most of the abuse was actually homosexual predation. Not sure about the Walsh case but I would expect it would be the same.

In America, the vast majority of the abuse cases were homosexual predation.

I'm not entirely sure why you mentioning homosexuality in relation to my contribution to this thread, i raised the spectra of a pedophile ring operating in Ballyfermot parish by a number of Priests, thankfully now defrocked, most notably Bill Carney.

In relation to your bizarre point, Bill Carney had no preferences, any child would do, an extremely nasty individual.

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 06:52PM

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Ah yes, blame homosexuality. Ignore the fact that priests had greater access to boys, and that sexual abuse is about control rather than the buttsecks itself

The thing is multi-faceted. Child sex-abuse is about defilement and this is an act of hatred by sick and wicked men, many of whom were themselves abused in childhood. But much of the abuse, according to the John Jay Report in the USA, was of a different nature: predatory homosexuality. This is really then homosexual rape/seduction/initiation, which in no way diminishes the gravity of the crime nor the vile wickedness of the practitioner. But we need to understand what happened and why if it is to be prevented from happening again.

I think a lot of politically correct thinking prevails, including within the Catholic Church, which prevents the Church addressing the core issues.

Read the article I posted above (I know most people don't read links on forums!)

Zombrex · 19-01-2011 07:13PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Most of the abuse was actually homosexual predation. Not sure about the Walsh case but I would expect it would be the same.

In America, the vast majority of the abuse cases were homosexual predation.

Er, that article is blaming homosexuality for child abuse and making a not so veiled attempt to link homosexuality with child abuse (and blaming research into this for apparently trying to cover this up in the interests of political correctness)

If that isn't your point I would suggest you distance yourself such positions.

If that is your point I wish you good luck on Boards, as I might wish a condemned man about to face 20 lions in a pit ...

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 07:27PM

Wicknight wrote: »

Er, that article is blaming homosexuality for child abuse and making a not so veiled attempt to link homosexuality with child abuse (and blaming research into this for apparently trying to cover this up in the interests of political correctness)

If that isn't your point I would suggest you distance yourself such positions.

If that is your point I wish you good luck on Boards, as I might wish a condemned man about to face 20 lions in a pit ...

Lifesitenews is a reliable outlet for news. I trust also in the research which produced the John Jay Report in the USA which supports what I have said.

Lion, where is thy bite?

Plowman · 19-01-2011 07:31PM

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georgieporgy · 19-01-2011 07:35PM

Am I to understand that none of these abusers were homosexuals?

Or to reword it for absolute clarity, were they all heterosexuals?

or shall we hush it up to avoid a scandal?

or is it something wishy washy like maybe they were or maybe they were not but it doesn't make a difference because one is not supposed to ask questions like that. (at least I'm glad they weren't jewish or we'd be into charges of anti semitism).

AhSureTisGrand · 19-01-2011 07:37PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Lifesitenews is a reliable outlet for news.

Opinion is not news

efb · 19-01-2011 07:38PM

Homosexuality is post pubesent.
Prior to puberty its paedophela.

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 07:40PM

Plowman wrote: »

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But that is just it - in America most of the victims were male, aged between 11-14.

If you look at the writings of the homosexual culture, you will indeed find that many are attracted to males of various ages. Oscar Wilde, for instance.

I don't think human sexuality is quite as compartmentalised as you would like to think. I am sure many men have felt attractions for young ladies which would be quite criminal if acted upon. You know, that is why God gave us Commandments!!

The PC crowd will have us tiptoe around the truth, but the dog in the street knows that the emperor has no clothes.

zoomtard · 19-01-2011 07:41PM

Plowman, what you fail to realise is that somehow connecting paedophilia to homosexuality will help the Catholic Church deal with the scandal of innocent children abused by its priests who were called to serve in persona Christi.

Still, don't feel bad. It would take a rare bit of logic to make the connection fit.

I am at my most unecumenical when I encounter arguments of the style Ubertrad is currently espousing but I don't wish to derail the thead.

Can I ask if anyone has considered a possible connection between the socio-economic deprivation in Ballyfermot at the time of these abuse cases (especially in terms of political or cultural influence of the average Catholic person in Ballyer) and the trend of putting what they used to call "troublesome" priests there?

AhSureTisGrand · 19-01-2011 07:42PM

georgieporgy wrote: »

Am I to understand that none of these abusers were homosexuals?

Or to reword it for absolute clarity, were they all heterosexuals?

or shall we hush it up to avoid a scandal?

or is it something wishy washy like maybe they were or maybe they were not but it doesn't make a difference because one is not supposed to ask questions like that. (at least I'm glad they weren't jewish or we'd be into charges of anti semitism).

The point is you can't pin paedophilia on homosexuality. Yes of course there homosexuals who abuse children. There are gingers who abuse children too, but nobody tries to establish a link there

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 07:42PM

efb wrote: »

Homosexuality is post pubesent.
Prior to puberty its paedophela.

That is correct. But puberty is not a one-time event. I guess the age of 11 or 12 would be the norm for boys. Hence, most of the abuse was indeed homosexual predation.

(I've had this argument out with other people in the real world, and they can't accept the elephant in the room!)

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 07:46PM

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

The point is you can't pin paedophilia on homosexuality. Yes of course there homosexuals who abuse children. There are gingers who abuse children too, but nobody tries to establish a link there

Nobody is doing that. What we are saying, in layman's terms, is that most of the abuse was done by men on boys who were going through puberty. Now call that what you like, but it's not pedophilia. The technical term is ephebophilia, which is attraction to adolescents, which in street terms, is homosexual attraction. You will find that in the homosexual subculture there s a pre-occupation with youthfulness.

efb · 19-01-2011 07:49PM

What elephant?
You seem to know alot regarding the profile of the abusers and the abused, care to detail your sources.

I would have gone for 13 to have completed puberty. 11 seems quite low.

Regardless it is illegal in this country to have sexual activity with someone under 17.

efb · 19-01-2011 07:52PM

ubertrad wrote: »

Nobody is doing that. What we are saying, in layman's terms, is that most of the abuse was done by men on boys who were going through puberty. Now call that what you like, but it's not pedophilia. The technical term is ephebophilia, which is attraction to adolescents, which in street terms, is homosexual attraction. You will find that in the homosexual subculture there s a pre-occupation with youthfulness.

Really I don't find that, both me and my partner are in our thirties and there doesn't seem to be the same obsession with young pop stars as some trashy magazines have with teen female stars, but I would certainly not tar all the heterosexual community with that brush.

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 08:00PM

efb wrote: »

What elephant?
You seem to know alot regarding the profile of the abusers and the abused, care to detail your sources.

I would have gone for 13 to have completed puberty. 11 seems quite low.

Regardless it is illegal in this country to have sexual activity with someone under 17.

John Jay Report is my main source. From the Wikipedia article:

Profile of the victims
The John Jay report found that 81% of the victims were male; and of all the victims, 22% were younger than age 10, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages to 15 to 17 years.

Now we can see that 22% was authentic pedophilia, but the 11-14 and 15-17 age ranges, which made up the majority of the victims, well they were teenagers and what I would describe as young men. That is homosexual abuse, not pedophila. Additionally, most of the abusers had not been abused as kids so don't fit the pedo profile of one having been abused oneself and going on to victimise others.

efb wrote: »

Really I don't find that, both me and my partner are in our thirties and there doesn't seem to be the same obsession with young pop stars as some trashy magazines have with teen female stars, but I would certainly not tar all the heterosexual community with that brush.

I don't know what your point is.

efb · 19-01-2011 08:05PM

I would say 73% is paedophelia

ubertrad · 19-01-2011 08:08PM

efb wrote: »

I would say 73% is paedophelia

There are 3 types of abuse there in that report. One is pedophilia, the other is epebophilia, whilst the rest is homosexual.

Plowman · 19-01-2011 08:11PM

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efb · 19-01-2011 08:11PM

So allowing for All perpetrators being male that puts homosexual abuse at 21%

AhSureTisGrand · 19-01-2011 08:12PM

The Catholic Church being a male-dominated institution, boys and young menare always going to be more vulnerable to abuse. For example, until 1983, only males could be altar servers (altar boys).

Church-run all-boys schools (in every case that I know of) were run by priests, while all-girls schools were run by nuns. Thus priests would have had far greater access to boys than to girls

efb · 19-01-2011 08:14PM

And you are forgetting the heterosexual abuse (of minors) at 6%

Prime Time last week. Parish Priest and Serial Abuser Walsh

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