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Yet another school shooting in the USA
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18-01-2011 08:51PM#1
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Erm, they are. AR-15, Ak-47 anyone? Cheap! Well no not really. I think a Klashnikov will set you back $1400 before ammunition.The NRA are still pushing for assault rifles to become legal.
Here's hoping for biometric-restricted firearms though.
And you're the LD Mod!Why the fúck does John Q. Public need to own an AK-47?
And going by the Legislative Intent of the 2nd Amendment thats one of the reasons why the right to keep and bear arms must be maintained to prevent an Armed Government from supressing the will of the People by force. That was back during a time when the best armies still only had muskets, cannons and horses. Now the military is a bit more serious, and Armed. But the right of people to own these weapons still holds as much meaning today as it did then: An unarmed nation is susceptible to tyranny at any given moment. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed0 -
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Erm, they are. AR-15, Ak-47 anyone? Cheap! Well no not really. I think a Klashnikov will set you back $1400 before ammunition.
Here's hoping for biometric-restricted firearms though.And you're the LD Mod!
To be far the constitution is like the bible; most people pick and chose the parts that suit them.
I've no problme with sane people owning guns for hunting etc but deranged morons with access to weapons that are designed to kill as many people in as little time as possible is just asking for trouble.0 -
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.And you're the LD Mod!And going by the Legislative Intent of the 2nd Amendment thats one of the reasons why the right to keep and bear arms must be maintained to prevent an Armed Government from supressing the will of the People by force. That was back during a time when the best armies still only had muskets, cannons and horses. Now the military is a bit more serious, and Armed. But the right of people to own these weapons still holds as much meaning today as it did then: An unarmed nation is susceptible to tyranny at any given moment. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
Hang on now, you can't pretend to know the "legislative intent" of the 2nd Amendment. The only people that can know that are the writers of the Constitution.
There are many methods of interpreting the 2nd Amendment and as I've pointed out elsewhere most Constitutional scholars that interpret that rely on one of 2 methods: historical interpretation or "living" interpretation.
Historical interpretations would take it to mean that the people have a right to form a well regulated militia and that militia has the right to keep and bear arms. That is, the People have the said right to keep and bear arms in order to form a well regulated (that is there is some form of oversight) militia.
Others believe that it must be looked at in a modern context... but even then, it's hard to see how it can be interpreted to mean that you can keep and bear arms without the requisite militia membership.
That's one of the main reasons the 2nd Amendment is oft misquoted as merely "the right to bear arms".
Yep, I am the legal discussion moderator and if you really want to challenge me on constitutional interpretation of the US Constitution or Bunreacht na hÉireann I'd be glad to go there
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Manic Moran wrote: »1934 National Firearms Act implemented restrictions and additional taxes on them. Getting a Class III licencse to allow ownership can be done, but it's a bit more than just dropping off a form at the police station.
It was compounded by the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act which banned the production or importation of new automatic firearms for the private populace. This meant that only the machineguns in existance in 1986 are available, and with limited supply to meet demand, prices have since been artificially high.
NTM
seems rather ridiculous though, I'm sure as much damage can be done with semi auto ar 15 and could be done with a full auto military ar15
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Hang on now, you can't pretend to know the "legislative intent" of the 2nd Amendment. The only people that can know that are the writers of the Constitution.
There are many methods of interpreting the 2nd Amendment and as I've pointed out elsewhere most Constitutional scholars that interpret that rely on one of 2 methods: historical interpretation or "living" interpretation.
Historical interpretations would take it to mean that the people have a right to form a well regulated militia and that militia has the right to keep and bear arms. That is, the People have the said right to keep and bear arms in order to form a well regulated (that is there is some form of oversight) militia.
Others believe that it must be looked at in a modern context... but even then, it's hard to see how it can be interpreted to mean that you can keep and bear arms without the requisite militia membership.
That's one of the main reasons the 2nd Amendment is oft misquoted as merely "the right to bear arms".
Yep, I am the legal discussion moderator and if you really want to challenge me on constitutional interpretation of the US Constitution or Bunreacht na hÉireann I'd be glad to go there
In that case, might I direct your attention to the ruling in Heller vs District of Columbia which addresses your theory, and refutes it. The 2nd protects a right to arms which is unconnected with militia service.
(Plus, you also have the small item that under US law, basically every able-bodied male is in the militia anyway).
NTM0
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