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Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland

  • 18-01-2011 07:41PM
    #1
    paky
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    Martin McGuinness claimed last Friday night that Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland in terms of votes. Is this true and if so, is this why Gerry Adams is so disliked by politicians in the south of Ireland?

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1089059


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  • #2
    Wolfe Tone
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    paky wrote: »
    Martin McGuinness claimed last Friday night that Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland in terms of votes. Is this true and if so, is this why Gerry Adams is so disliked by politicians in the south of Ireland?

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1089059
    I have to say I have been surprised by the level of popularity he has in louth. Sky high.


  • #3
    kev9100
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    Gilmore is the most popular leader according to the polls. Adams is just an economic illiterate.


  • #4
    Biggins
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    paky wrote: »
    Martin McGuinness claimed last Friday night that Gerry Adams is the most popular candidate in Ireland in terms of votes. Is this true and if so, is this why Gerry Adams is so disliked by politicians in the south of Ireland?

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1089059
    Because maybe partly he perhaps refuses to let himself with his org' to get into the games of political cronyism, underhanded abuse of perks, expenses and bowing to corporate interests as they try to wine and dine (and they do successfully!) other mainstream political parties (possibly for future favours)?


  • #5
    paky
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have to say I have been surprised by the level of popularity he has in louth. Sky high.

    im not debating his popularity with the public which im sure he has a lot of but its the politicians who refuse to do business with him for no valid reason? perhaps its jealousy?


  • #6
    mikemac
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    For votes and exceeding the surplus I thought it was Willie O'Dea

    Not now anymore of course but he topped the polls when it mattered


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  • #7
    chucken1
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have to say I have been surprised by the level of popularity he has in louth. Sky high.

    Is it true now that hes not running in Louth?:confused:


  • #8
    Biggins
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    paky wrote: »
    im not debating his popularity with the public which im sure he has a lot of but its the politicians who refuse to do business with him for no valid reason? perhaps its jealousy?
    Maybe they don't like the fact that he visits the White House more often, engages with the English government, goes to places like the Lebanon and Israel, talking to one side then the other in negotiations of peace along with Tony Blair who then switch places in tandem, trying to bring peace to that region alone.
    Maybe they don't like that he is more recognised for being a major factor in the monumental shift of bringing a warring army to the peace table and then consolidating that peace?
    Maybe they don't like him as he has met at home and travelled elsewhere to meet greater numbers world political heads on the world stage?

    I don't agree with his org's political ideology but I respect the man for the good things his efforts have brought about and for the things he's still trying to do.

    ...As for some of the begruggers ...well sadly thats part of the past in people that just refuse to move on and see just what they want to see.


  • #9
    Het-Field
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    When your Party contains an array of ex-cons, gun runners, and murderer apologists one is probably prone to inventing a few facts ! In fact, I would think it is incumbent upon such an individual to do so.


  • #10
    PenelopeT
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    He's disliked because when he announced he was running for the election in Louth he basically said that he was going to solve the economic crisis in a matter of no time and crtisised the rest (i.e. every political party in Ireland) for not being able to do it sooner :rolleyes: I'm wary of Mr Adams being elected. And I'm very scared of his crazy SF economics.. :eek:


  • #11
    paky
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    kev9100 wrote: »
    Gilmore is the most popular leader according to the polls. Adams is just an economic illiterate.

    according to the last election eamon gilmore got 8000+ votes
    http://electionsireland.org/result.cfm?election=2002&cons=113

    gerry adams got 22000+
    http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/awb.htm

    doesnt that make gerry adams more popular than eamonn gilmore?


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  • #12
    danbohan
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    When your Party contains an array of ex-cons, gun runners, and murderer apologists one is probably prone to inventing a few facts ! In fact, I would think it is incumbent upon such an individual to do so.

    talking about fianna fail are we ?


  • #13
    Het-Field
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    danbohan wrote: »
    talking about fianna fail are we ?

    No.

    Mainly Martin Ferris.


  • #14
    KeithAFC
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    Would not surprise me. Gerry is famous for telling the masses bull**** and hiding facts.


  • #15
    Wolfe Tone
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    chucken1 wrote: »
    Is it true now that hes not running in Louth?:confused:
    Where you hear that? Last I heard he got the nomination and is buying a house.


  • #16
    chucken1
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Where you hear that? Last I heard he got the nomination and is buying a house.

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/the-candidates


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    Biggins
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Would not surprise me. Gerry is famous for telling the masses bull**** and hiding facts.
    If that is the case, sounds like he would fit right in with a good lot of those currently in the Dail to be honest!


  • #18
    KeithAFC
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    Biggins wrote: »
    If that is the case, sounds like he would fit right in with a good lot of those currently in the Dail to be honest!
    To be fair, the republic a mess. Last thing your country needs is Gerry Adams coming in.


  • #19
    Wolfe Tone
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    chucken1 wrote: »
    http://www.sinnfein.ie/the-candidates
    Ah, seems they are still making that part of the site. As far as I know they have someone in near every constituency.


  • #20
    Biggins
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    To be fair, the republic a mess. Last thing your country needs is Gerry Adams coming in.
    Certainly a debatable point but he would certainly stand less for the bullschite that currently goes on in the Dail I suspect.
    ...Which is also what we need to be honest.


  • #21
    KeithAFC
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Certainly a debatable point but he would certainly stand less for the bullschite that currently goes on in the Dail I suspect.
    ...Which is also what we need to be honest.
    Would he really not stand for bullsh*t?

    There is always this myth that SF do a lot for West belfast but West belfast still has a lot of problems. Its not as great as people make out. What could he bring to the republic?


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  • #22
    chucken1
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ah, seems they are still making that part of the site. As far as I know they have someone in near every constituency.

    Dont think so...not in Clare anyway going on what I hear :(


  • #23
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Biggins wrote: »
    Because maybe partly he perhaps refuses to let himself with his org' to get into the games of political cronyism, underhanded abuse of perks, expenses and bowing to corporate interests as they try to wine and dine (and they do successfully!) other mainstream political parties (possibly for future favours)?

    Perhaps you might reconcile that statement with the fact that Mr Adams used claim Westminster expenses (for a house in London for instance) even though he refused to take his seat in the House of Commons?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html


  • #24
    lugha
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Because maybe partly he perhaps refuses to let himself with his org' to get into the games of political cronyism, underhanded abuse of perks, expenses and bowing to corporate interests as they try to wine and dine (and they do successfully!) other mainstream political parties (possibly for future favours)?

    Hurlers on the ditch. I don't think you can judge any party until they have a stint in power. The greens were the great white hope, once upon a time, when they were still virgins. When they play the senior game for a while we get to see what they are made of.


  • #25
    Wolfe Tone
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    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Perhaps you might reconcile that statement with the fact that Mr Adams used claim Westminster expenses (for a house in London for instance) even though he refused to take his seat in the House of Commons?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html
    They still went regularly to London.


  • #26
    lugha
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    paky wrote: »
    according to the last election eamon gilmore got 8000+ votes
    http://electionsireland.org/result.cfm?election=2002&cons=113

    gerry adams got 22000+
    http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/awb.htm

    doesnt that make gerry adams more popular than eamonn gilmore?

    British constituencies are bigger so I don't think you can compare directly.
    Anyway, I thought big Ian was the main man in Ireland? :pac: Or has he lost his crown?


  • #27
    Biggins
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Would he really not stand for bullsh*t?
    I and others would say "Yes", other might disagree.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    There is always this myth that SF do a lot for West belfast but West belfast still has a lot of problems. Its not as great as people make out. What could he bring to the republic?
    Well the question is about Ireland, not Belfast.
    What would he bring to the republic?
    As I have hinted, possibly less tolerance for the shenanigans and wastage that is going on between politicians, quangos, semi-state bodies etc?


  • #28
    Eliot Rosewater
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    They still went regularly to London.

    The expense referred to exists to assist Members of Parliament in attending the House of Commons. Sinn Fein don't attend the House of Commons yet they still claim the expense.

    Sinn Fein members try to spin it, but it's still an abuse. In particular, their costs in attending London for peace talks etc. were/are covered separately. More than the 5 Sinn Fein MPs go over for these peace talks, after all.


  • #29
    paky
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    sinn fein could pull a major coup if they sent their most popular candidates in the north to run in the south e.g. martin mcguinness, gerry adams and gerry kelly.
    its unlikely sinn fein voters up north are gona vote dup in their absence.


  • #30
    Biggins
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    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    The expense referred to exists to assist Members of Parliament in attending the House of Commons. Sinn Fein don't attend the House of Commons yet they still claim the expense.

    Sinn Fein members try to spin it, but it's still an abuse. In particular, their costs in attending London for peace talks etc. were/are covered separately. More than the 5 Sinn Fein MPs go over for these peace talks, after all.
    Its certainly a point of contention. I would have also tried to say that MP's get their money to assist them in representing their electorate - not just for attending a particular building?
    If that was just the case as you propose, Bertie should be getting right now bugger all - as he is the least attending TD we have this side of the border!


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  • #31
    Het-Field
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    They still went regularly to London.

    To do what ?

    Certainly didnt sit in the House of Commons and represent their constituents views.


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