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Kenya Rift Valley Training and Q&A

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    Hill repeats

    After getting through the diagonals successfully on Saturday, and a 2 hour run on Sunday, I decided that it was time to test myself with a tough session. On Sunday night, my housemates mentioned that they would run hill repeats the following morning at 9:30am. That meant up at 6am for a 13k 'easy' jog, then we'd get two hours for a short rest and breakfast. Then we'd run 5k to the forest for a 40 minute hill repeats session.

    I wasn't sure how big or steep the hill was, but either way I knew that it was going to be difficult keeping up with the girls. After all, the each weigh about 40kg (6 stone), and run up hills for a living. Power to weight ratio was not on my side. Given that mountain running is supposedly my forte, I was a little bit nervous about experiencing destruction of the ego.

    When we arrived at the forest, there were four guys already running repeats on the hill. The first thought that crossed my mind was bad memories of climbing 'the ride' in Crone Wood, Co. Wicklow, three times during the 2009 World Mountain running team trial. The gradient was similar, if not slightly steeper. The lads running repeats were flying up the hill, as though it wasn't a hill at all. I immediately felt deflated, and wished that we were running down-hill repeats. That way I might have had a chance.

    We got started, and I surprised myself by managing to hang on to the group. We were joined by their coach (a 63 minute half marathoner), and a couple of other lads who came out of nowhere (this tends to happen a lot here).

    The climb was 150 metres long (thanks Garmin) on a steep narrow dirt trail worn into the grass. The repeat was directly up and back. Pushing hard on the climb and then floating down very slowly. The climb told about 1 minute, as did the descent. The firs half of each ascent felt fine, then each time I passed the tree stump at half way my lungs would start burning and my legs would follow suit. Every time I reached the top I felt wrecked, and thought I would have to stop. But then I recovered well by the time we got back to the bottom, and was ready for another.

    We ran repeats for 40 minutes, and happily I was able to stick with my training buddies. This may sound a bit sad (because the pace was set by 18 year old girls), but I was pretty satisfied with myself and considered it quite an achievement!:-)

    Once the session was over, we started jogging the trails back tithe village. It was mostly uphill, but that was ok because I had my confidence intact. After about 5 minutes of jogging the coach gave a soft whistle out of the blue, and the group took off at an explosive pace. I was mortified, because I had invested all of my energy in the session, which I thought had finished! All of a sudden it was game on.

    I accelerated after the group with as much gusto as I could muster up. Fortunately we went over a verge and began descending. Now i was in my element! After 2 minutes the coach gave another whistle and the pace subsided. The group all turned around to see if I was still with them - I was. The coach had a wry smile on his face, which I interpreted as 'that's round one, let's see how many rounds it takes to drop the Mzungu'.

    This continued for another 3k. By the end of the final push, I was fading big time. I knew I was a goner, and I started falling back. But before anyone noticed, the coach called the session over. Everyone started walking the remaining 2k back to base.

    What a relief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,531 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Awesome post kiwirunner! A great achievement sticking with them too. Hope it doesn't burn you out for the next day!

    A quick question for you (if you manage to get your pc repaired and are reading this): Your next big goal is London Marathon in a couple of months time. Is the timing right for this altitude training, or will the benefits of your harder training and well oxygenated blood by somewhat diminished by the time London comes around?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,199 ✭✭✭G-Money


    Well done KiwiRunner. I can imagine your heart sinking alright when he blew the whistle and they all took off like a bullet. Class that you kept up with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    @grandmaster: my false sense of confidence was short-lived, because Tuesday was track session day. More to come on that.

    @donothoponpop: most athletes wear shoes in training.

    The trails are fairly rocky and rutted, shared with cars and motorbikes. *So it would be hard to run hard without shoes here. Trainers are the most important piece of kit. In fact, yesterday a guy I've been running with a few times asked me to give him my shoes. He said that his shoes are almost finished, and he has no money for new shoes.

    Trainers cost about 35 euro here. Many aspiring runners struggle to get by, because they only come upon cash when they win a race. As you can imagine, it's hard to win a race here.

    Some people can't afford spikes, so may race x country races in bare feet. this is because x country is often on grass.

    Funnily enough, a 9 year old boy ran beside me in bare feet this morning for 10 minutes. He was on his way to school.

    @ Krusty clown: my understanding is that at high altitude, the body adapts to the lack of oxygen by increasing red blood cell and haemoglobin count. *Therefor the body becomes better at delivering the scarce oxygen to wherever it is needed.

    I've heard that after returning to sea level, the blood cell count remains at an inflated level for up to two weeks. So by the time I run London marathon in April, my red blood cell count will have long been back to normal.

    The benefit that I hope to gain is to build a strong base here. I ran 160km in my first week here, and the next couple of weeks should be similar. It is much easier tackling that sort of mileage when i can rest in between runs. I doubt I'll be able to maintain that mileage when I return to Dublin.

    The training is hard work because it's hilly and I'm operating off less oxygen. There is less 'cruise control' running. This means that I'm getting fitter.

    The risk is that I may get injured. But I'm finding the dirt trails very easy on the legs. The other risk is that sessions are slower up here. For example, my tempo run yesterday was much slower than my target marathon pace. I think that's why they're big on running fartlek up here (because they can get the legs turning over faster).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    Ugali and lettuce for dinner every night. It tastes like nothing, but it keeps us charged up for the 6am session!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Magnet


    Where`s your VEG....?? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Abhainn


    kiwirunner very impressive stuff. I am in total envy
    But I know your marathon pb is 2:38, and hopefully not intrusive in asking but what is your target for London ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    After holding my own on the hills (with the junior girls), I was eager to try out a session on the track. Ahh... the track - well known destroyer of self-confidence for long distance runners. No better place to bring yourself back down to earth after experiencing the satisfaction of a good session.

    There is one red dusty track in Iten, which is shared by hundreds of aspiring Kenyan runners. We arrived at 9:30am, on the second run of the day. The track was rammed with athletes. Most of them were running in packs at a pace probably equivalent to my sprint speed. I immediately felt out of place, which was a perfectly reasonable assessment of the situation. But that wasn't going to stop me from giving it a crack.

    At initial count from the side-line, there were forty nine ripped athletes already circling the inside lane of the track. Finding a gap in the fast-moving foot traffic was going to be a challenge.

    There seemed to be an anarchic system in place for sharing the track. Rather than allocating a lane to each group, everyone was using the inside lane, which was the width of two normal lanes. The idea is that when you're not actually running, you stand on the outer track. When you are starting an interval, you get a running start from the outside lanes and then hit the inside lane at pace in a gap between runners. It is like the runners version of the 'Arc de Triumph' roundabout. It works very well.

    The plan was to run a pyramid session - starting with a 1200m interval, descending to 200m, then back up the ladder again (interim distances were not specified).

    I managed to hold on to tail end of the group for the descending intervals. But by the time we'd run 1200m, 800m, 600m, 400m, and 200m, I was gasping for air.

    I would be the first to admit that I'm seriously lacking speed, and this is something that I'm hoping to address in 2011. But it quickly became clear to me that, seven days into my altitude acclimatisation, I had not yet produced the extra red blood cells that I need to run a decent speed session at this altitude.

    The problem is that it takes so long to catch your breath back between intervals. I have since read that runners embarking on altitude training often extend the rest period significantly for the first few weeks, so that they can hit the desired pace for the session.

    I was well off my usual modest pace for this type of session, and I was hurting more than usual. I finished the session (because i'm very stubborn) but I was losing about 15 metres per lap on the group by the final 1200m interval.

    It was inspirational to watch the athletes display their raw strength and speed on the track. Yet at the same time I felt incredibly discouraged. All of the hard work and time invested over the last couple of years, and I get hammered for my trouble. It's something of a motivation/demotivation paradox.

    The comforting thing though, is when you see first hand how hard these athletes work to reach this level of performance. It makes you realise how much potential we all have, if we push ourselves beyond what we thought was possible.

    I think the important thing for motivation, is to keep your own goals in perspective. It's easy to compare yourself to those people around you. But in this environment, it's not particularly helpful to do so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    @abhainn: Fair question. My immediate goal is to run under 2:35 in London Marathon on 17 April. But I havent raced since Berlin Marathon in September (2:39) so I have no proper gauge of fitness yet.

    I can't test myself up here because my times are not comparable due to altitude. So I'll firm up my goals once I have raced back at sea level. I hope to race over 5 miles or 10km in February. Then Ballycotton 10 in early March will be telling.

    Based on what i'm learning here (reading, listening, observing), I'm thinking fairly hard about refocusing my goals entirely after London. It's fairly obvious to me now that I'm never going to run a very fast marathon unless I first run 5000m under 15 minutes. Both track speed + endurance are the building blocks for a high performing distance runner. Coming from and ultra marathon / hill running background, I am missing the required speed. This means I might have to be patient and put marathon running to the side for a while.

    Obviously there is nothing groundbreaking in this epiphany. I've been told this many times before. But sometimes it takes a specific event (like a trip to Iten) to drive the point home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭figs


    kiwirunner wrote: »
    The comforting thing though, is when you see first hand how hard these athletes work to reach this level of performance. It makes you realise how much potential we all have, if we push ourselves beyond what we thought was possible.

    ^ A nugget of wisdom that has struck a cord with me.

    Fantastic reading, kiwirunner. Thoroughly enjoying your reports.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭lfp


    kiwirunner wrote: »
    The comforting thing though, is when you see first hand how hard these athletes work to reach this level of performance. It makes you realise how much potential we all have, if we push ourselves beyond what we thought was possible.

    Reminds me of a quote I read from some top coach or athlete that any "normal" reasonable well co-ordinated man could be trained to run a sub 4 minute mile. They did concede that many people would have to train more intensley than some olympic champions, but it was possible. I think the quote above kinda backs up that point!

    By the way - fascinating log - just brilliant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 forestgump123


    Great read.. I was just wondering Kiwi runner, is there any chance of getting your name so I can follow your 10k, 10mile and marathon performances following your stint in Kenya? Aswell as hills of course. I am a keen hill runner myself.. How do you think your marathon training will help you for the hill running? Would marathon training be better for hills than say 10k training? i.e. more speed work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Great read.. I was just wondering Kiwi runner, is there any chance of getting your name so I can follow your 10k, 10mile and marathon performances following your stint in Kenya? Aswell as hills of course. I am a keen hill runner myself.. How do you think your marathon training will help you for the hill running? Would marathon training be better for hills than say 10k training? i.e. more speed work?

    Jason is pretty good at hill running as it is. A couple of imra wins under his belt to date. Looking forward to seeing him back on the hills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭Peterx


    Whilst we're waiting on Jase to get back -

    Brian McMahon runs very well on the hills and as far as I know he uses marathon training plans all the time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    forestgump123: If you look far enough down the results lists you might see my name - Jason Reid. All of a sudden I feel pressure to perform!

    I also feel compelled to point out that 24 days training here is not some sort of magic pill. Though hopefully it will bring me on a bit.*

    I intended this trip to be an educational and motivational experience. As we all know, building speed and endurance is a *slow process. I would like to apply elements of the training methods and philosophy that i have observed here to my own training once I return to Dublin. I anticipate that the benefits will be realised over time, rather than immediately.*

    How do I think marathon training would help for hill running?

    Another interesting question. Though difficult to answer in a post, and I have
    no doubt that others are better qualified to answer it.

    Nobody in Iten is training to be a hill runner, because I gather that it is not very lucrative by comparison with international road and track running. So I would imagine that the legends of hill running back home (guys like John Lenihan and Paul Nolan) are probably better placed overall than the runners here to comment on what would be ideal training for hill races. Keep in mind that the Kenyans don't race up or down steep craggy/scrubby mountains like carrauntoohil! They mostly race on track or undulating paddocks/trail or road.

    Having said that, optimal hill running training may not be all that different. For example, one thing I have noticed here is how similar the training is for middle distance runners, cross country runners, and long distance runners.*

    All of these athletes run hill repeats and long hill runs. This is to build strength. They also all run intervals and fartlek for speed and acceleration. And tempo to increase their anaerobic threshold. They all run long runs, though a long run for a middle distance runner is not as long (more like 90 minutes).

    The frequency at which they run each type of session, and the detail (i.e. length of interval etc) is different for each runner.*

    If I was focused on hill running, I would run hill repeats more often (because I normally lose ground on the climb). If I was a strong climber but a bad descender, I would work on technical descents and run more regular speed sessions (depending on what was the precise weakness).

    Similarly, if I was losing places towards the end of any type of race, then i would focus on endurance work and perhaps increased mileage.

    Either way I would incorporate all of these types of sessions into my training. Though I would adjust the mix depending on what works for me, and my specific goal (the athletes here have individually tailored flexible programs)

    In terms of the level of intensity, a standard winter or Leinster league race is more akin to a 10km road race than it is with a marathon. 10k road races are hard and fast, and so are these hill races i.e. lungs and legs burning throughout. Marathons are long and steady, so endurance is a bigger factor and speed/kick are less important.

    Given the amount of training these guys do in the hills (from the track runners to the marathoners), I'd say most of them would make mean hill runners. Though I don't think they'd like the descent off Croagh Patrick much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    After 20 minutes of jogging from the house, the girls and I arrived at a junction between two main trails. As per the usual, I had little idea of what was on the cards for the morning.

    The conversation over dinner the night before had gone something like this:

    "What are you running tomorrow morning?"

    "We run 1 minute fast, 1 minute easy, for 20 times."

    "Is it ok if I come with you?"

    "We run with a group. Yes. Maybe you can run behind with the ladies if you have energy." (not helping my already diminished confidence level)

    But the girls hadn't explained that 'the group' consisted of half of the population of Iten! At best guess, there were two hundred local runners gathered at the corner, rearing to go. And then there was me - questioning whether I should have instead done my own thing on this particular morning.

    One guy stood on a fence and unhelpfully (from my perspective) gave instructions to the 'group' in Kiswahili. The smiley curious guy standing beside me quietly greeted me and asked me whether I was feeling strong today. I told him that I was feeling unnerved.

    After a countdown from the apparent leader, the group took off. Happily, it was 'easy' first. After 60 seconds, the sound of footsteps got louder, and a gap started building between me and the runners in front of me. I quickly found my place in the pack - near the back, where there was much more space, fewer fellas, and most people around me looked like they had eaten something dodgy for breakfast. It wasn't so bad.

    I took it steady, pacing myself carefully because the mid-morning sun was beating down and I had a long way to go. The good thing was, that there were a few people behind me.

    After twenty minutes, I had that comforting thought of knowing that I was closer to the end than I was to the beginning. I had run 5.2km on undulating trail. Half of it hard, half easy.

    At this point I started picking people off! It was just like the second half of Berlin Marathon, except this time I was only passing women, and it wasn't lashing with rain. I kept pushing until eventually I could see my housemates about a hundred metres ahead. Then all of a sudden after 37 minutes, everyone within sight of me stopped and started walking home.

    In fact, we walked four kilometres back to camp. They seem to like walking home here.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Have you done any time trials, or intervals, where you could compare your sea-level times with altitude? Are you dealing with the lack of oxygen relatively well, after two weeks?

    (By the way, you've a great writing style, one can almost see the packs of runners going about their training).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    Iten is for Kenyan runners what Los Angeles is for aspiring actors and actresses - a chance to make the big time.

    If you are good enough to make it as a professional runner, then you stand to be rewarded with the glory, fame and cash that comes with success. But very few will succeed.

    There are a select few runners here who have lucrative sponsorship deals and/or make big money from winning races in Europe and the US. These athletes are heroes in Kenya. Their photos and stories dominate the main sports page of the Sunday newspaper.

    Many of these successful athletes have bought property and built nice houses in the area. Their lives differ significantly from the average Kenyan. You can tell who they are, because they wear the latest Adidas kit and drive a motor
    vehicle (while the regular punters ride the matatu). The successful professional runners occupy a high social standing in the community.

    Lornah Kipligat is one example of an athlete who has invested her winnings in a business venture (Lornah's high altitude training camp). Another example is the former Dublin Marathon winner, Lezan Kumutai, who has invested in residential property and has also built a school in a small village close to Iten.

    But most runners that you meet on the street in Iten have very little money or income, and are just getting by day by day (not that they need much money to support their regimented lifestyles). They live in basic rented shared houses with groups of other runners, all sharing the same goal. These runners are vying to be noticed by someone who might launch their career.

    In order to make a living out of running, an athlete needs to either gain a spot on the Kenyan international squad (and hopefully pick up a big sponsor); or find a way to get to races in Europe. Specifically, those races that offer an attractive prize package and ideally an appearance fee.

    However, runners face a catch-22 because they need to train full time in order to get good enough. Yet if they train full time, then they have no income to cover their cost of living in the meantime.

    This is where talent scouts, agents, and training camps come into the picture. Some athletes are good enough and lucky enough to be scouted as juniors. Those who show the most promise (i.e. by winning national medals), may be noticed by scouts and coaches and offered places in training camps, where they are given food and accommodation. This means that they can focus entirely on training, from the time they finish school.

    But very few are so lucky. And those who do find themselves in that privileged position are expected to continue performing in order to justify their place. For every one of these supported runners, there are many who are largely unsupported. Perhaps relying on their families for assistance. Let's call these the 'tier two' runners.

    These tier two runners are battling to perform well enough to capture the attention of agents. For example, I have spoken to a 2:15 marathoner living in Iten who is struggling to get by because he can't find an agent who will fund his travel to races (because he's not quick enough to guarantee a good commission for a prospective agent). Like many others, he doesn't have the cash to get there himself. And he needs someone to organise transport and negotiate appearance fee with the race organiser.

    By way of another example, I am told that a male 5000m runner won't be noticed unless he runs under 13:15. That gives you an idea of the standard required to make it as a professional.

    The cost of failure is massive for these runners. Not only does it mean giving up the dream of fame and fortune, but also swallowing one's pride and returning to your hometown with your tail between your legs and perhaps being branded as a 'failure'. It is quite likely that you'll end up working on the family farm, operating a kiosk, or driving a matatu for a modest living. For an aspiring runner here, these prospects are fairly grim.

    Most people here live very simple lives, particularly compared with the lifestyle of a successful professional runner. For example, the appearance fee earned by successful Kenyan runners in some European races would easily exceed the average annual wage in Kenya.

    There is clearly an affinity between the people of Kenya and the sport of running. After all, it's not often in Dublin that groups of laughing children will sprint across a field to greet you and then run along beside you for several minutes (let alone the man dressed in a business suit who ran with me for ten minutes after I jogged past him the other night).

    However, the reality is that, unlike the millions of amateur adult runners in western countries who run purely for the love of it, many of the runners here are simply trying to achieve a higher standard of living than what is available through other avenues.

    Perhaps people read too much into the 'genetic advantage of African runners' theory. It seems to me that the financial motive for Kenyan athletes, combined with the undesirable alternative (a subsistence lifestyle), is part of the driving force behind the success of Kenyan running. With the sheer number of athletes dedicating their lives to running, it's little surprise that countries like Kenya and Ethiopia keep churning out champions.

    Just a thought: imagine if your next pay-check (and indeed your livelihood) depended on your race performance. Now that is an incentive to train hard!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    (By the way, you've a great writing style, one can almost see the packs of runners going about their training).

    +1. Excellent writing, I'm really enjoying these updates. Thanks KiwiRunner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 806 ✭✭✭woodchopper


    Its a wonder that soccer clubs dont set up camps in Kenya given the vast array of athletes who would play the game in order to make real big money. Then perhaps the Europeans could nick a few medals in the Olympics.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭liamo123


    Great posts Jason...First things first, tks alot for helping me break the 3 hr barrier at DCM..

    Im interested to know if it took u long to adjust to the different foodstuffs... in ur oponion has the local diet increased ur energy levels and has it had an effect on ur weight..

    Tks alot, Liam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Enduro


    This is a great thread. Well done Jase, your writing is both thought provoking and entertaining. Keep 'em coming, and enjoy the rest of your time in Kenya

    Hakuna matata


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    @donothoponpop:*

    I have been here for twenty days, and have been slowly adjusting to the altitude. But the reality is that it's just harder running here. At sea level, jogging feels very easy. Up here, even after three weeks the lungs are almost always working (partly because it's all undulating trail).

    It is not easy to make direct comparisons to training performance in Dublin, because there are other variables that affect your pace. But here are some session comparisons with variables stated (approximate times only)

    8k tempo run

    Dublin @ 3:35 pace on grass in Bushy Park (1500m laps with a small hill)

    Iten @ 3:55 pace on dirt trails with undulating hills throughout

    10x400 on the track

    Dublin @ average 69 seconds on UCD track off 60 seconds (rest)

    Iten @ average 71 seconds off 90 seconds on uneven 403 metre cinder track.

    Yasso 800s (10x800 broken by 400 easy)

    Dublin @ 2:37 at the Phoenix Park polo ground

    Iten @ 2:44 on cinder track

    Long runs

    The surface and gradient of the road has a significant effect on the pace of long runs. Accounting for that, I would estimate an impact of up to 15 extra seconds per kilometre.

    Easy pace is much slower on the trails here.

    5 minute per kilometre pace here *(8 minute miles) compared with 4:30 min/km in Dublin.

    I was speaking to a couple of Finnish runners (2:15 marathoners) who have been here for a month.*They normally run 10x1km intervals at 2:55 at sea level, but up here they're running between 3:05 and 3:10.*This works out at about*+7% impact (i.e. The difference in seconds per kilometre is bigger if you're going slower). This seems consistent with what I've found.*

    I'm going to try the 10x1km session on the track this week. Wish me luck!

    @Liamo123: Pacing Dublin was my pleasure.

    Just to update on what we've been eating.

    Breakfast
    White bread and tea (no variation)

    Lunch
    rice or stewed beans, or both together on a good day

    Dinner
    Ugali with cabbage or spinach. On two occasions we have had a very small
    portion of whitebait on the side.

    I found the transition to this diet to be seamless. My stomach has been fine, because the food is so simple. Though the beans have a predictable effect.

    It is also difficult to isolate the impact of this diet on my energy levels, because at the same time I have increased my mileage from about 100km per week to 160km per week. But my energy levels have been fine. I have probably lost 6-8 pounds (3kg) since I arrived.

    Living on this diet makes me realise how much of what we eat in western
    society is 'excess to requirements'. For example, at home I wouldn't really have considered eating rice on its own. Almost as if rice NEEDS to be served with something tasty in order to qualify it as a meal. But here it is standard procedure to do so.

    The same goes with white bread. On day one, I was hunting for the raspberry jam! Now I find that I really enjoy having the bread by itself. I get my sugar kick from the tea (which, by the way, is loaded with sugar!) plus the bread is probably relatively high sugar content compared with bread in Ireland.

    Its easy to see why westerners generally carry around so much extra weight. My philosophy is that if this diet is good enough for the athletes in Iten, then it's good enough for me.

    By the way, the folks staying at Lornahs and Kerio View eat very well indeed. Fairly standard western diets from what I've seen, particularly at KV (just to clear my conscience, i treated myself to a banana crepe at KV last week).*

    I have posted pictures at www.adventuresofjase.blogspot.com


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭KentuckyPete


    Lovin' this thread. Fair dues Kiwirunner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,199 ✭✭✭G-Money


    Very interesting thread KiwiRunner, keep the posts coming.

    I'm interested in the food you are eating. Is it white rice you are eating or some other type? Is it just boiled and you eat it on it's own? Does it have any flavourings like spices or anything added? When you say white bread, I'm guessing it's different from Brennans white bread? :)

    Also you mentioned the tea is loaded with sugar. Do you mean you are adding sugar yourself or do they just brew a big pot and add a load of sugar in or something?

    Sorry for the dummy questions :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 Ispin


    Very interesting and informative posts kiwirunner.
    Just a few questions specifically regarding injuries, treatment of same, facilities available etc etc. What's the normal post run routine, any ice baths? Any such thing as physio treatment. Also in you're opinion do the athletes in Iten get injured more or less than their western counterparts, and if so why or why not. If an athlete gets injured what's the treatment, also does the talent of the athlete decide the treatment given, and are then athletes treated locally?
    How are you handling the increased milage? Any aches as a result?
    Thanks for all the updates


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


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    @g-money:

    Is it white rice you are eating or some other type?*

    We are eating plain white rice. Though it is coloured with yellow food colouring (for presentation)

    Is it just boiled? And do you eat it on it's own?*

    Yes it is boiled. Some of the time on it's own, a few times we've had it with a stew of beans/maize (corn)/nuts. This week we've been having rice with a stew of chopped potato and tomato.

    Does it have any flavourings like spices or anything added?*

    The rice is boiled in water with 'small cooking fat' and some salt. No additional flavours or spices. It just tastes like normal plain white rice to me.*

    When you say white bread, I'm guessing it's different from Brennans white bread?*

    The white bread is fairly sweet. It reminds me of the sliced white bread you find in the U.S. I like it, but i don't think there is anything special about it.*

    The overall diet seems to be about energy intake. Sugar for fast burn energy, combined with starches for slower burning energy.*

    Vegetables are used sparingly but consistently, to add flavour to the rice and ugali. The nutritional benefit of veggies seems not to be a priority.

    By the way, I don't plan on strictly replicating this bland diet at home. The range of food available in stores here is very limited. Whereas in cities like Dublin, we are lucky to have a wide range of healthy food types available in our grocery stores. Enjoying this variety is one of the great pleasures in life, and is not a bad thing. But there are some useful ideas and principles that we can take from this diet.

    The main dietary tips that I have taken on board are:
    - to eat less meat/poultry
    - it's ok to keep meals basic (change my expectations about what constitutes a meal)
    - eat more rice (with vegetables and or fish)
    - make an effort to substitute chocolate/cakes for fruit (pineapple or watermelon seem to be a popular 'treat' here, nobody eats chocolate)

    Breaking habits is a big part of changing the diet. I hope to break a few bad habits and create some good ones upon my return to Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,199 ✭✭✭G-Money


    Interesting posts as always KiwiRunner.

    How much longer are you in Iten and when do you get back to Dublin?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 kiwirunner


    What's the normal post-run routine? any ice baths?*

    As I mentioned before, athletes have plenty of time available for each session. So they spend quite a bit of time stretching after a run. They're not in a rush to get anywhere after a work-out, that's for sure.

    The athletes apparently use ice baths occasionally after races or hard training sessions, to treat muscle damage.*

    Do the athletes in Iten receive physiotherapy treatment?

    It is important here to make a distinction between massage and physiotherapy treatment.*

    Only a few of the top athletes employ the services of an actual qualified physiotherapist. It is common for a 'manager' to recruit a qualified Physio to treat the runners in a camp. Particularly in the build-up to big events on the calendar.

    Sometimes this would be a local Physio from Eldoret. But the other day I met an Irish Physio who is working on contract with a local running team here for a month (leading up to national x-country champs in February).

    For the most part though, athletes are treated by local unqualified 'massage therapists'. The proficiency of these massage therapists is judged entirely on reputation and trust. Like most professions in Kenya, no qualification or license is necessary.

    Massage therapy is a regular and important part of the program for all of the runners that I have spoken to here. An hour long massage session with a local kenyan masseuse costs only the equivalent of €2, so most athletes receive massage therapy twice weekly to aide muscle recovery.*

    The runners that I've spoken to here swear by the benefits of regular massage. They believe that it helps them to push their bodies harder, day in day out, and reduce the chance of injury.

    Apparently the art of sports massage is something of a universal skill amongst athletes here. They administer massage on each other.

    I gather that this type of massage treatment is more effective for injury prevention and recovery than it is for treating actual injuries. But having said that, I'm sure there are some very good self trained and unqualified massage therapists here who know what they're doing (based on the testimonial of local runners).

    Do the athletes in Iten get injured more, or less, than their western counterparts? and if so why or why not?

    I'm not in a position to judge, because all of my information is purely anecdotal. But certainly injury seems to be just as big of a discussion point here as it is back in Ireland.

    The athletes here look after themselves better than I do, and tend to be extremely flexible! (honestly, some of the positions that they get themselves into while stretching!)*

    The reality is that if I/we were running as much mileage as many of these guys are (particularly at this intensity), we would probably succumb to injury fairly quickly. So their bodies require the extra TLC that time allows them.

    I was told the other day that the Kenyans are 'all tendons'. Their tendons are, on average, significantly longer than Mzungu tendons. But I'm not sure whether that makes them more resilient to injury. It certainly seems to help them to run fast!

    Apparently the Kenyan international runners often succumb to injury when they travel to Europe and transfer their training miles onto the tarmac. The theory is that the dirt trails are more forgiving on the legs than Tarmac roads, and also that the rough trails are better because 'every step is different'. This may be a factor.

    How are you coping with the extra mileage?

    I'm coping very well considering the extent to which I've upped the ante! (I ran 500km in three weeks) I would attribute this to the stretching that I'm doing, but mostly to the sheer amount of rest time that I have between sessions.

    I'll be wrecked after a session, but then I can literally go to bed for 10 hours between each run (during the day and night). I've never had this much down-time, as far back as I can remember!*

    Several local runners have stressed to me the importance of rest (sitting or lying around at home) for fully reaping the benefits of training. Who am I to argue.

    After each hard session, I make it my personal goal to be ready for another session within 24 to 36 hours (with easy runs in between).*

    This is 'living to run', rather than my usual lifestyle which is 'squeezing in runs'. I'm sure it's the same for most of you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 Ispin


    Great reply kiwirunner, thanks alot for all the information, so much stuff there that I could incorporate into my own running.


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