Fianna Fáil Leadership Challenge Underway

juuge · 15-01-2011 08:52PM

jpfahy wrote: »

A desperate attempt by Andrews to improve his image and save his seat

Andrews is the guy that said....he can see no reason why the actions of the church should be investigated in other diocesses.
We have nothing more to learn he said...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1224/1224286237118.html
The guy is creepy! and with the title of 'Minister for Children' makes him even more so. It would be sad to think that these are the 'young guns' of Fianna Fail.

liammur · 15-01-2011 09:00PM

ArtSmart wrote: »

something in Drumm's language that rings true.

i suppose at the end of the day, FF being so close to the mega rich business world it was natural for Cowen to side with their concerns, genuinely believing it was for the good of the country perhaps, but certainly good for business and therefore proving FF policies were working.

i think it reflects the philosophy prevalent at the time, in essence McCreevy's neo-classical approach to economics which requires having significant fate in the amoral purity of the mkt, but also unavoidably includes a trust in the business elite - after all that's what 'light-touch regulation' firmly rests upon. And therefore Cowen and FF deserve all the abuse they get, not matter how 'honest'.

of course Enron etc were seen as unique - not typical.

and they call communists economically naive.

Good post.

Reminds me of when the Germans were telling us around '04 to clamp down on certain ongoings in the IFSC, Micheal Martin tells them, 'we plan further light-touch regulation'. He'd make for a fine leader,,,,,, lol

Sierra Oscar · 15-01-2011 09:41PM

An editor of the Sunday Times has this to say:

the #ffheave is about to take a compelling new twist. Sunday Times p1 headline to be tweeted at 10pm will reveal all

John Burns - Twitter

gandalf · 15-01-2011 09:51PM

Here are the tweets!

Sunday Times splash tomorrow - Micheal Martin told Cowen to step down last Monday night, and gave him a week to do so #ffheave

Sunday Times also reveals that Mary Hanafin has also told Cowen he shouldn't lead party into election #ffheave. He's gone, folks

hotmail.com · 15-01-2011 09:55PM

He has to either sack them and face a leadership challenge or resign.

ilovesleep · 15-01-2011 09:59PM

I hope he takes the rest of FF and the cabbages with him

sligopark · 15-01-2011 10:05PM

please no more insults - cabbages have feelings too (-:

gandalf · 15-01-2011 10:11PM

Business post is saying "senior ministers have told Cowen to go". They say Brian Lenihan is among them.

The Sindo is running with "Martin gearing up for a full-on challenge if Cowen doesn't go in next few days."

Both lifted from Twitter. Looks like game over for Cowen!

blahfckingblah · 15-01-2011 10:13PM

how many fianna fail td's have to disagree with cowans consultation for him to leave??

sligopark · 15-01-2011 10:14PM

Martin Manseragh on his way in to tell the bog pig what he really thinks of him....

Byron85 · 15-01-2011 10:15PM

Just saw on twitter that Martin and Lenihan have been running consultations over the last few days whilst Cowen has been conducting his own. This explains their silence recently, not that anyone was in doubt to begin with. Even Miriam O' Callaghan picked it up on Thursday's Prime Time when she said that they were conspicuous by their lack of appearance.

ilovesleep · 15-01-2011 10:19PM

gandalf wrote: »

Looks like game over for Cowen!

And the rest too please god. They are all part of the corrupt government that brought this country to ruins. They are only begging for votes so they are at this stage.

56lcd · 15-01-2011 10:20PM

what breaking news has brendan o connor got from lienster house

hotmail.com · 15-01-2011 10:20PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

how many fianna fail td's have to disagree with cowans consultation for him to leave??

18 members of the parliamentary party can force a leadership contest.

Mr.Micro · 15-01-2011 10:21PM

They are spoilt for choice with prospective new Candidates for the leadership of Fianna Failure. All of them poor. Interestingly will the new leader be Taoiseach? Lousy has said he will not support a new Taoiseach........hm we will see he is easily won over. How about going to the country FF while you are at it and then you won't have to worry about a new leader as hopefully your party will be decimated. I think Biffo will have to be dragged out as he will tough it out.

blahfckingblah · 15-01-2011 10:50PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Just a small point here but do you think along with Cowan that all of the Sinn Fein party should be marched into Mountjoy ? If not why not

em why?? for having different opinions than you?

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 10:54PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

em why?? for having different opinions than you?

No I want to avoid double standards. If Cowan should be jailed for "alleged" corruption then surely Sinn Fein should be jailed for " alleged" bank robberies, alleged murder, alleged drug dealing, alleged shooting of Garda Gerry MC Cabe"

Liam Byrne · 15-01-2011 10:56PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

No I want to avoid double standards. If Cowan should be jailed for "alleged" corruption then surely Sinn Fein should be jailed for " alleged" bank robberies, alleged murder, alleged drug dealing, alleged shooting of Garda Gerry MC Cabe"

For once, I actually agree with you.

We also have to start somewhere.

blahfckingblah · 15-01-2011 10:57PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

No I want to avoid double standards. If Cowan should be jailed for "alleged" corruption then surely Sinn Fein should be jailed for " alleged" bank robberies, alleged murder, alleged drug dealing, alleged shooting of Garda Gerry MC Cabe"

would it be wrong to suggest that you are allegedly in the process of taking the thread off topic???

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 10:57PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

would it be wrong to suggest that you are allegedly in the process of taking the thread off topic???

Would if be wrong to say the truth hurts

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 10:59PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

For once, I actually agree with you.

We also have to start somewhere.

Fine but if we want to clean up the show lets make sure we clean all the show and not only what's popular to the masses

Liam Byrne · 15-01-2011 11:00PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Would if be wrong to say the truth hurts

Obviously not, considering the reaction some of us get around here when we point out FF corruption.

Liam Byrne · 15-01-2011 11:01PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Fine but if we want to clean up the show lets make sure we clean all the show and not only what's popular to the masses

Completely agreed again!

But like I said, we have to start somewhere, and the guys that cost this country billions seems like a good place to start, don't you think ?

blahfckingblah · 15-01-2011 11:02PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Would if be wrong to say the truth hurts

thats not my point at all.. it seems to be the done thing to change the conversation in any thread to that topic... i suggest that you either search a thread on that topic or start one if thats what you want to talk about

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 11:04PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Obviously not, considering the reaction some of us get around here when we point out FF corruption.

I know how you feel Its something similar to the reaction that democratic thinking people get can why they ask for proof before judgement

MisterAnarchy · 15-01-2011 11:06PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

They are spoilt for choice with prospective new Candidates for the leadership of Fianna Failure. All of them poor.

They are worse than poor,they are appalling.
A couple of school teachers ,a social worker,and a barrister.
Says it all about our political system when you have such incompetent people running to be leader of a party.

Liam Byrne · 15-01-2011 11:07PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I know how you feel Its something similar to the reaction that democratic thinking people get can why they ask for proof before judgement

I have no idea what that means, because it looks like you're trying to imply that I'm not "a democratic thinking person", and that - because it's directed at me rather than a post - is personal, and therefore against the rules, so it couldn't possibly be that.

Anyway, can we get back on-topic.......

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 11:08PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

thats not my point at all.. it seems to be the done thing to change the conversation in any thread to that topic... i suggest that you either search a thread on that topic or start one if thats what you want to talk about

same old same old, dont question the populace or your off topic.

This is the post I answered

"Hope Clown doesn't take Porky Pigs advice of committing suicide. Hope he is watched 24/7.

He needs to be marched into mountjoy where they will kill him there"

Are you telling to me that the above as posted was on topic.

Mr.Micro · 15-01-2011 11:12PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I know how you feel Its something similar to the reaction that democratic thinking people get can why they ask for proof before judgement

Speaking of democracy, FF have denied the nation that for about 18 months or so in blocking the bye-elections that's what I call double standards.

Fitzerb · 15-01-2011 11:12PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I have no idea what that means, because it looks like you're trying to imply that I'm not "a democratic thinking person", and that - because it's directed at me rather than a post - is personal, and therefore against the rules, so it couldn't possibly be that.

Anyway, can we get back on-topic.......

No problem. Cowan will be gone on Monday before 6pm. Becuase if he aint I have lost 30 Euro and the chance of winning €130

Fianna Fáil Leadership Challenge Underway

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