TUF 13: Lesnar V Dos Santos.

martineatworld · 12-01-2011 01:07PM

Echoing whats been said before, great business move, I'll watch it for Brock alone. He can create his own hype with his carry on, I've a bad feeling it will revolve around him shouting at Dos Santos. For the whole season. Whether you like Brock or not, you want to watch him.

Maynard - Edgar would've been immense, but I would've liked to have seen something involving the new WEC fighters as coaches, some way of breaking them into the public eye and getting a bit of hype about the smaller guys. And WEC fights are usually hectic!

SanoVitae · 12-01-2011 01:40PM

I wonder if they'll encourage Brock to get up to his old WWE antics again.

They already have that wafer-thin door on the show for coaches to punch holes in - Brock will probably walk right through it.

Logical Fallacy · 12-01-2011 01:46PM

Makes complete sense to me. Name me one Season where a coach was picked simply because he was a draw????

Or are you all honestly foolish enough to believe that big fights for belts and TUF coincide with each other by accident.

bledmillennium · 12-01-2011 01:52PM

martineatworld wrote: »

Echoing whats been said before, great business move, I'll watch it for Brock alone. He can create his own hype with his carry on, I've a bad feeling it will revolve around him shouting at Dos Santos. For the whole season. Whether you like Brock or not, you want to watch him.

Maynard - Edgar would've been immense, but I would've liked to have seen something involving the new WEC fighters as coaches, some way of breaking them into the public eye and getting a bit of hype about the smaller guys. And WEC fights are usually hectic!

Indeed, WEC fighters should have been the coaches for this year's season of TUF. However, putting Brock on TUF will most definitely dispel rumors about Brock doing Wrestlemania this year. Sound move, in my opinion.

However, JDS is a poor choice for his opponent. It should have been Mir for two reasons:

(1) Brock does deserve to be in the title picture after being brutalized and murdered by Velasquez, and
(2) Setting up Mir vs. Lesnar III is HUGE draw and money, business-wise

With that said, JDS should have been set up with Carwin instead. Two knockout artists in the octagon = mountains of epicness.

hisholinessnb · 12-01-2011 02:36PM

I'm surprised at people saying Edgar and Maynard should have been the coaches.
Its a reality show in truth and people want to see personality as much if not more than ability in the coaches.
Maynard is dull as dishwater, can't imagine being entertained at all watching him.

JoeyJJ · 12-01-2011 03:30PM

Not sure Brock would be the best choice as coach however you seen last season GSP wasn't really the coach he was acting as Sparring/training partner with a little more than that. Brock will have to rely on bringing in coaches too, however he will be so much bigger than the WW's, I'm not sure how they will benefit too much from him apart from his wrestling techniques, which should be of benefit.

I'm wondering will Brock use established gyms like Extreme Coutoure, American Top Team etc to prepare himself for the next fight? Maybe a move to Vegas/Cal for a few months prefight might be the best thing all round? He needs independant advice and not yes men. (if thats what he has, cannot say for certain it is) and also top Sparring partners at HW and LHW

Jayo_M · 12-01-2011 03:51PM

Lesnar has Greg Nelson and Erik Paulson in his training camp. It doesn't come much better than that.

Logical Fallacy · 12-01-2011 04:02PM

Despite his hands and despite his winds the general public is still cold on JDS, this entire season is about building him, not Brock.

RebelSoul · 12-01-2011 04:38PM

Brock has stated in the past that he didn't want to be a part of TUF. I can't help but think that his uturn is somehow motiviated, at least partly, by the fact that he has an autobiography coming out. A spot on a weekly mainstream TV show is bound to drum up more interest in it than if he continued to stay MIA in the woods.

Tones69 · 12-01-2011 05:38PM

RebelSoul wrote: »

Brock has stated in the past that he didn't want to be a part of TUF. I can't help but think that his uturn is somehow motiviated, at least partly, by the fact that he has an autobiography coming out. A spot on a weekly mainstream TV show is bound to drum up more interest in it than if he continued to stay MIA in the woods.

Maybe just maybe he changed his mind? And said feckit il give it a shot, if i beat JDS i get another title shot! Dana probably made him that offer and said if you dont take tyhis TUF coaches spot then you could be waiting years for another shot

Gerard.C · 12-01-2011 06:29PM

scudzilla wrote: »

Now there's my problem, i was sucked into the Hype about Brock, i know a few others who were too.

I hated Brock from the moment he came into the Octagon, before that even, he just seemed a bully, like that Biff guy from Back to the Future.

Was happy when Mir beat him, but a really good friend of mine, who's opinion i totally respect, told me to give him a second chance as he's the real deal.

I did, and he won his next 4 fights, and i was so sucked up into the hype that i didn't notice that those 4 fights were against pretty inferior opponents (Mir- Never know which Mir will show up, Randy- 46 and past his prime, plus giving away 60lbs, Heath - Way past his prime, Carwin - Gas tank of a frog)

Sure he defended against these guys but the first real, bona-fide, challenger he met he got totally destroyed, this, now with hindsight, IMO was his first real test, and he failed dismally.

Should he be a coach on TUF? Damn No

Is this good business by Zuffa? Probably the best move they have made in a LONG time (businesswise)

Imagine some whos job is to beat people up being a bully. The horror of it.

I bet you thought Carwin was his first real test too before Brock had him tapping like no tomorrow. Excuses, excuses.

Fozzy · 12-01-2011 08:10PM

Dave Meltzer said that Carwin wasn't an option for them because he's just had major back surgery and they don't want to rush him at all since he's in his mid-30s

It's funny how some people seem to think that the point of TUF is to give some unknown guys the chance to train with top coaches. It's not a charity show

I don't think that having Brock as a coach would be useless. How many times have we seen fighters lose on TUF by tiring and just losing their will to fight on? Brock works extremely hard and he's going to push his fighters to have the same work ethic. If anything their conditioning should improve at least, and that is a huge thing on TUF

thebostoncrab · 12-01-2011 09:17PM

Good to see Dos Santos is going to have a warm-up fight before meeting Cain

dunkamania · 12-01-2011 09:33PM

Anyone else think its weird having HW coaches for WW's?

13-01-2011 01:28AM

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its weird having HW coaches for WW's?

Yeah they're going to dwarf them, two of the biggest heavyweights too. Brock and JDS' main attributes are their size and strength so I don't know how they can pass it on to WW's. It'll be interesting to see though.
In saying that though when you say JDS you basically have the whole Team Blackhouse at his disposal, A.Silva, Munoz, Aldo etc.

Mellor · 13-01-2011 03:37AM

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its weird having HW coaches for WW's?

Why?
The coaches are rarely the same as the fighters.

The last time they had HW coaches, one half of fighters were lightweight (others were LHW)

Ush1 · 13-01-2011 10:56AM

Looking forward to this but kinda annoyed there will not be a top HW match for loooong time now.

Still should be entertaining, and the fight with JDS could be make or break for Brock I reckon.

Jayo_M · 13-01-2011 11:57AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Looking forward to this but kinda annoyed there will not be a top HW match for loooong time now.

Still should be entertaining, and the fight with JDS could be make or break for Brock I reckon.

There are, just not in UFC

flahavaj · 13-01-2011 06:32PM

Dana knows that the pro-wrestler is where the buys are at. Lesnar will make for brilliant TV because he has personality and charisma and the ability to work a feud properly, something most MMA fighters have little or no clue about. Someday the penny will drop with these guys that personalities make main event fights and big bucks, fighters just get black eyes and cauliflower ears.

sonic85 · 13-01-2011 07:10PM

why would anybody tune in to mma to watch fighters talk sh!te? there doesnt have to be feuds or any of that crap to make good tv. koscheck talked a lot of sh!te and made himself look like a tool when he couldnt back it up. leave the trash talk to pro wrestling

scudzilla · 13-01-2011 07:42PM

Gerard.C wrote: »

Imagine some whos job is to beat people up being a bully. The horror of it.

I bet you thought Carwin was his first real test too before Brock had him tapping like no tomorrow. Excuses, excuses.

I'll admit it, i honestly thought Carwin would be his first real test and beat him, little did i know that Carwin's cardio was zilch.

In that first round against Shane IMO 50% of ref's would have stopped it so i guess you could say he was lucky in the respect that he had a lenient ref who gave him the benefit of the doubt

14-01-2011 10:44AM

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its weird having HW coaches for WW's?

Not really. I thought it was weirder when Hughes and Franklin were coaches but weren't fighting at the end!

I think the dynamic is better when the coaches are gonna fight!

Much as I'm not a fan of Brocks sh*t, this show should pull in huge ratings. It'll probably be entertaining to watch too just to see what JDS is like.

drayme · 14-01-2011 01:35PM

Guys when was this show about coaching? Coaching is never shown on the show for any length or time yet people on here are using it the primary criteria for selecting coaches?

Mind boggling that people don't seem to know what the show is about after 13 seasons.

14-01-2011 02:35PM

drayme wrote: »

Guys when was this show about coaching? Coaching is never shown on the show for any length or time yet people on here are using it the primary criteria for selecting coaches?

Mind boggling that people don't seem to know what the show is about after 13 seasons.

Just because it is edited out doesn't mean they sit around the training centre all day playing scrabble.

Also, seasons 1 and 2 showed plenty of the coaching. It's why I enjoyed them. Nowadays they focus so much more on the drama which is why I no longer bother with it.

Also, the show, whilst by design trying to find "The Ultimate Fighter", is primarily used as a vehicle to hype the fight between the coaches and get the coaches more exposure.

Fozzy · 15-01-2011 03:50PM

At this point there are more outlets for talented fighters not in the UFC, so they aren't getting the cream of the crop like they did the first few seasons. They've figured out that it's better to push the personalities than the coaching now. This is the last year of their contract with Spike too, so the ratings of the show matter more than previous seasons

By all accounts JDS is a genuine nice guy, in the mould of Big Nog. I'm not sure how much of a prick Brock will intend to be, it's easier to sell a book as a good guy rather than a bad guy :pac:

Vince McMahon was also reported to be still convinced this week that Brock will do Wrestlemania. Very unlikely now, but he is often delusional at the best of times

Rickson1 · 16-01-2011 07:13PM

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone else think its weird having HW coaches for WW's?

Yeah it is weird. I think this season will be crap. JDS has no personality and can barley speak english. It will be the guys he brings in that will be good trainers. Plus, as everybody is sayin, Brock is too inexperienced to be a decent coach.

Wiser choice would have been Chael Sonnen and Wanderlei Silva! Or even Chris Leben and Wanderlei.
Edgar and Maynard would be the worst season by far if it happened. Nobody cares about Edgar and Maynard has absolutely no personality.

Fozzy · 16-01-2011 07:26PM

Are all of Carwin's coaches heavyweights? Are all of Jose Aldo's coaches featherweights?

Mellor · 17-01-2011 05:18AM

Rickson1 wrote: »

Yeah it is weird. I think this season will be crap. JDS has no personality and can barley speak english. It will be the guys he brings in that will be good trainers. Plus, as everybody is sayin, Brock is too inexperienced to be a decent coach.

Wiser choice would have been Chael Sonnen and Wanderlei Silva! Or even Chris Leben and Wanderlei.
Edgar and Maynard would be the worst season by far if it happened. Nobody cares about Edgar and Maynard has absolutely no personality.

Almost every fighter has separate coaches for boxing/mt/wrestling/bjj
Brock would be top calss as a wrestling coach imo.

Plus the fact that you suggested Chael Sonnen pretty much ruins any point you were trying to make.
Maybe next season on TUF:Inmates

17-01-2011 05:30AM

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Rickson1 wrote: »

Nobody cares about Edgar and Maynard has absolutely no personality.

Nobody cares about the lightweight champ? And it seems you just watch it for the drama, can I reccomend eastenders?

hisholinessnb · 17-01-2011 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

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Nobody cares about the lightweight champ? And it seems you just watch it for the drama, can I reccomend eastenders?

People would watch Edgar no problem, Maynard is dull as dishwater.
If you are just watching for the MMA and NOT the drama then thats fine, but you need to admit that this is a reality tv show and huge amounts of people watch for the interaction between characters as much as the fighting.

If you are only watching for the MMA may I suggest while the other poster is watching Eastenders that you watch some reruns of actual MMA events.
The people who enjoy both will continue watching TUF

TUF 13: Lesnar V Dos Santos.

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