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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    I dont know if anyone posted this one yet,interesting.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/InfowarsCanada#p/u/2/k679FjX8-PI


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 saraskas


    Why can't they just be contrails/exhaust trails? How do you seem so sure they they're spraying something else?

    These trails stayed for hours slowly spreading across the sky

    If you still don't believe check for Geo-engineering. They admit that they are spraying- to cool down the planet :eek:
    I think everyone thees days feel that is colder than before ;)

    and thescientist- thanks for your info


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    well this sunday i woke about 10.30 am

    i noticed thin layer cloud which is familiar if you ever saw chemtrail sprayings disperse over time.

    i have a pic phone and vid ability but i cant get it to upload the bluetooth and usb are different than my laptop. i have vids n pics of chemtrails i witnessed.

    however i think if any1 has video cam, with few hours filming capability they should set up anywhere in Gorey Wexford over next few days and am sure theyll capture documentary evidence of chemtrails.

    also i see alot disinfo and disinformers around even on this thread.

    ill leave it to public's discretion but the truth has air that the liars cant perfect.

    sadly after while i checked the gorey wexford skies again form many angles and i saw again at least 3 planes. one was higher and i notice this week the sprayings have intensified in length of time liek 4-6 hours + where originally weeks ago i recorded they were spraying maybe 3hours +.

    also its worth noticing skylight windows the glass this year is heavily dirty id love to sample n analyses whats fallen on it. other years of snow i never seen this layer of dirt on skylight roof windows before.

    whatever they are spraying , whatever the goal it is intensifying in length and time .

    i notice alot people are having cold flus and sinus problems and gps full of them.

    if you open your eyes youl see the spray come from the wings too - proof it aint just contrails. also the length of time the clods linger . the artificial shape length and stream which follows the planes trajectory.

    the parallel kriss krosses. even the paths the planes tale far away from routes or any airports . they way 4-5 planes fly synchronised parallel formations redouble regroup and repeat.
    if you have patience to check regularly youll see that after the chemtrails disperse to fluffy clouds they veil the sun. and form clouds on days when it would be clear blue sunny skies but for the manmade artificial chemtrails polluting our skies and our air we breathe.

    i wonder if all the falling birds stories are birds dyeing from breathing ingesting the chemtrails sprays that are global now?

    theres no denying chemtrails no more. now even the skeptics are worried

    for people who say why would a govt do such a thing and how could they be capable of it.
    didnt they say the same about the nazis? and we all know now what they did.
    wasnt it unthinkable back then ? do we know any better today
    fascism has returned only its bigger leaner more cunning more sinister eco corporate fascism


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    Think it isn't/can't/wont happen here? THINK AGAIN*.* "They" don't feel it's our business to know

    Thats not an answer to what I asked.


    Why do you dismiss the contrails being contrails, and assume they're chemtrails?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 thescientist


    Thats not an answer to what I asked.


    Why do you dismiss the contrails being contrails, and assume they're chemtrails?


    you should prob research the science of contrails and their resultant behaviour. conts do not behave in any distinctive paterns as they dissipate very quickly. eg when your kettle boils the water vapour does not hang around for hours at a time. it EVAPORATES. also you should research the activity of real cloud formation over ireland, ie cumulus and stratus cloud formation. also see the discovery channel-chemtrails. its a fact,its been admitted to through several world goverments.sorry to burst your bubble... see http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kqyKXUCZ6j8 very informed guy !!!!! enjoy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 thescientist


    gizmo wrote: »
    Why didn't you quote this line:


    :confused:

    you should prob research the science of contrails and their resultant behaviour. conts do not behave in any distinctive paterns as they dissipate very quickly. eg when your kettle boils the water vapour does not hang around for hours at a time. it EVAPORATES. also you should research the activity of real cloud formation over ireland, ie cumulus and stratus cloud formation. also see the discovery channel-chemtrails. its a fact,its been admitted to through several world goverments.sorry to burst your bubble...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 thescientist


    love that!!!!!! keep up the great work!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    its a fact,its been admitted to through several world goverments.sorry to burst your bubble...

    No it hasnt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 thescientist


    evodave wrote: »
    the bristish royal family are from germany they are nazi, the wars are all staged to scare people and the banks are financing both sides to buid up a military. they are making their british colonies into one, usa not same as america, canada, mexico are resisting. over here their trying to merge all members into the eu, these iluminati are in every country they run all governments and military forces remember its only ordinary men who do the fighting not the chiefs, they are killing everyone beneath the eilte. they flouride your drinking water like the nazi scientist did to keep everyone slow and lazy, the feed us crap food with toxic in them, they give us vaccines for mercury posioning which goes to your brain and kills your memmory, these are all facts i did my research dont laugh at this its what you need to accept, the vatican are roped in aswell thats why they dress in black death, the universities make you put on black gown when you Graduate, they are blood suckers, these guys are not to be messed with they own private armies and cops all over the world, all this have research back to the egyptian pryramids, they have been at it since then everything you think you know about history is a massive scam all school books are published by them they also own the media remember they go after major companies and try to kill off the small ones which are still somebit independent, I know this is alot to take in but you must open your mind and question everything thats going on, they like to mess with your head espicially on tv if you listen to the words and look out for the illuminati symbols you will spot them everywhere, i see them on tv all the time now, i was like you before saw nothing, they use qoutes from the book of revalantions its was on a clint eastwood film, pale rider, "and hell followed with him" if you want truth you have to go back a long way this part i am finding really hard and cant figure it out but i think the celts might have the answers, remember these illuminati think their great and they steal everything including our history stuff like the book of kells not that i know much about that but basically they rape us and steal us, they create a birth cert for you and they own you and everything you think you own they can take of you in the morning, the cilmate has other plans for them, check out post glacial rebound, the earth is in orbital wobble and is ajusting herself, lots of bad stuff happening and coming in the next 2 years, volcanoes, lightning, snow, flooding, you name it its happening, check out rsoe site they put very little on there compared to whats really going on. cheers lads and best of luck.

    anybody who doubts this info should google george bush jnr grandfather ,Prescott Bush,who was indited in the us for crime of bankroling the nazis with us money.

    How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power , World news , The Guardian... star.gifstar.gif
    George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and ... "The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis,
    www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

    also see the royal family name change British royal family changed surname in 1917 star.gif
    The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (GERMAN) to Windsor in 1917. George V was king of England from 1910 to 1936. Son of Edward VII, King of England, and Princess ...
    www.didyouknow.org/royals/




    nobody seems to know this type of info.??? proof of your theory e thinks!!!!!! well done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    well this sunday i woke about 10.30 am

    i noticed thin layer cloud which is familiar if you ever saw chemtrail sprayings disperse over time.

    i have a pic phone and vid ability but i cant get it to upload the bluetooth and usb are different than my laptop. i have vids n pics of chemtrails i witnessed.

    however i think if any1 has video cam, with few hours filming capability they should set up anywhere in Gorey Wexford over next few days and am sure theyll capture documentary evidence of chemtrails.

    also i see alot disinfo and disinformers around even on this thread.

    ill leave it to public's discretion but the truth has air that the liars cant perfect.

    sadly after while i checked the gorey wexford skies again form many angles and i saw again at least 3 planes. one was higher and i notice this week the sprayings have intensified in length of time liek 4-6 hours + where originally weeks ago i recorded they were spraying maybe 3hours +.

    also its worth noticing skylight windows the glass this year is heavily dirty id love to sample n analyses whats fallen on it. other years of snow i never seen this layer of dirt on skylight roof windows before.

    whatever they are spraying , whatever the goal it is intensifying in length and time .

    i notice alot people are having cold flus and sinus problems and gps full of them.

    if you open your eyes youl see the spray come from the wings too - proof it aint just contrails. also the length of time the clods linger . the artificial shape length and stream which follows the planes trajectory.

    the parallel kriss krosses. even the paths the planes tale far away from routes or any airports . they way 4-5 planes fly synchronised parallel formations redouble regroup and repeat.
    if you have patience to check regularly youll see that after the chemtrails disperse to fluffy clouds they veil the sun. and form clouds on days when it would be clear blue sunny skies but for the manmade artificial chemtrails polluting our skies and our air we breathe.

    i wonder if all the falling birds stories are birds dyeing from breathing ingesting the chemtrails sprays that are global now?

    theres no denying chemtrails no more. now even the skeptics are worried

    for people who say why would a govt do such a thing and how could they be capable of it.
    didnt they say the same about the nazis? and we all know now what they did.
    wasnt it unthinkable back then ? do we know any better today
    fascism has returned only its bigger leaner more cunning more sinister eco corporate fascism

    Seeing as how these chemicals are being sprayed all the time into the air then it should be a simple matter of analysing a sample of air and proving nasty chemicals are there. I'm seeing very little facts and alot of hyperbole in this thread. Where is the analysis of samples?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    you should prob research the science of contrails and their resultant behaviour. conts do not behave in any distinctive paterns as they dissipate very quickly. eg when your kettle boils the water vapour does not hang around for hours at a time. it EVAPORATES. also you should research the activity of real cloud formation over ireland, ie cumulus and stratus cloud formation. also see the discovery channel-chemtrails. its a fact,its been admitted to through several world goverments.sorry to burst your bubble...

    I know you only have a few posts and all, but at least try to read some of the counter arguments over the last 29 pages before you post.

    Also, if you boil your kettle at the altitude of an aircraft and then get the same results then your analogy may make sense. Oh, don't forget that you should probably use an aircraft jet engine instead of a kettle. It may not make for a great cup of tea, but you'll get accuracy, I can assure you of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Mr Plough


    I wonder why certain states in America have decided to reduce the levels of fluoride in the tap water. Oh.... Cause people realise.... Nice work Skeptics.
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fluoride-in-water-linked-to-lower-iq-in-children-112261459.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Mr Plough wrote: »
    I wonder why certain states in America have decided to reduce the levels of fluoride in the tap water. Oh.... Cause people realise.... Nice work Skeptics.
    I would have thought any serious investigator of conspiracy theories has to be a sceptic? Or are you required to believe everyting you are told? :confused:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Nah, sceptics just spread misinformation and work for the Man.
    It takes a true believer to draw the nonsensical conclusions required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Please stop the bitching, folks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Pixel8


    Not sure if this was posted yet but german meteorologists have evidence of chemtrails being sprayed by the German military, if this doesn't convince the skeptics that this is real, i dont know what will:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    Pixel8 wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted yet but german meteorologists have evidence of chemtrails being sprayed by the German military, if this doesn't convince the skeptics that this is real, i dont know what will

    So it's weather modification then? Rather than them trying to poison us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Pixel8 wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted yet but german meteorologists have evidence of chemtrails being sprayed by the German military, if this doesn't convince the skeptics that this is real, i dont know what will:


    The german military admit to releasing chaff during war-gmes, which caused "clouds" to be seen on radar which weren't clouds at all, but rather the chaff being picked up (which is, of course, what chaff is supposed to do when it comes to radar).

    What, exactly, is that supposed to convince us of?

    (For the record - I speak German, so didn't bother reading the subtitles....but the piece has appeared here before, and the translation was inaccurate then. Search for "chaff" on the forum and you should find it).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Mr Plough


    Former FBI Chief, Ted L. Gunderson, makes a statement regarding the chemtrail "death dumps", otherwise know as air crap, on January 12, 2011. Ted says the following: "The death dumps, otherwise known as chemical trails, are being dropped and sprayed throughout the United States and England, Scotland, Ireland, and Northern Europe. I have personally seen them not only in the United States, but in Mexico and in Canada. Birds are dying around the world. Fish are dying by the hundreds of thousands around the world. This is genocide. This is poison. This is murder by the United Nations. This element within our society that is doing this must be stopped. I happen to know of two of the locations where the airplanes are that dump this crap on us. Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska - Lincoln, Nebraska - at the Air National Guard. They have no markings on them. They are huge, bomber-like airplanes with no markings. This is a crime: a crime against humanity, a crime against America, a crime against the citizens of this great country. The must be stopped. WHAT IS WRONG WITH CONGRESS? This has an affect on their population, and their people, and their friends, and their relatives, and themselves. What's wrong with them? What's wrong with the pilots who are flying these airplanes and dumping this crap, this poison, on their own families? Somebody has to do something about it. Somebody in Congress has to step forward and stop it now. Thank you. I'm Ted Gunderson." For more details, visit http://www.aircrap.org.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Can anyone who supports the chemtrail theory just not take a sample of air and prove that there are chemicals in the air that should not otherwise be there? It really is as simple as that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Can anyone who supports the chemtrail theory just not take a sample of air and prove that there are chemicals in the air that should not otherwise be there? It really is as simple as that.

    Why dont you take a sample and prove there isnt?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    caseyann wrote: »
    Why dont you take a sample and prove there isnt?

    I'm not the one making the claims. If you believe there are nasty chemicals in the air then don't you feel compelled to find out what exactly is there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I'm not the one making the claims. If you believe there are nasty chemicals in the air then don't you feel compelled to find out what exactly is there?

    Well if you fell so against it and obviously think everyone has the facilities to do so then you do it and prove us wrong.

    http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=8696


    Their saying no such thing.But yet call it geoengineering
    geoengineering_diagram_big.jpg

    Despite the lack of "official" information on the phenomenon known as chemtrails, plenty of scientists, journalists, researchers and ordinary citizens have created an alternative media buzz about the spraying of chemicals that can be seen on most days. According to www.globalengineeringwatch.org, "The program appeared to go ‘online' around 1997; though sightings of short-lived aerosol spray cloud construction goes back to the 1970s. Whistleblowers and discovered documents have indentified the chemtrail program as Icarus, Deep Shield, Shield project and Project Cloverleaf. Now the government is calling it geoengineering."
    "Geoengineering is the artificial modification of earth's climate systems through two primary ideologies, solar radiation management and carbon dioxide removal." Check out this site for a diagram of geoengineering: www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2008/images/geoengineering_diagram_big.jpg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    caseyann wrote: »
    Well if you fell so against it and obviously think everyone has the facilities to do so then you do it and prove us wrong.

    http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=8696


    Their saying no such thing.But yet call it geoengineering


    Despite the lack of "official" information on the phenomenon known as chemtrails, plenty of scientists, journalists, researchers and ordinary citizens have created an alternative media buzz about the spraying of chemicals that can be seen on most days. According to www.globalengineeringwatch.org, "The program appeared to go ‘online' around 1997; though sightings of short-lived aerosol spray cloud construction goes back to the 1970s. Whistleblowers and discovered documents have indentified the chemtrail program as Icarus, Deep Shield, Shield project and Project Cloverleaf. Now the government is calling it geoengineering."
    "Geoengineering is the artificial modification of earth's climate systems through two primary ideologies, solar radiation management and carbon dioxide removal." Check out this site for a diagram of geoengineering: www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2008/images/geoengineering_diagram_big.jpg.

    Well presumably someone who is an advocate of chemtrail theory somewhere must have done air sample studies? Would you not think this would be a good place to start? There is no restricted access to the atmosphere so surely some chemtrail theory believer somewhere has tested out their theory and taken air samples?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Well presumably someone who is an advocate of chemtrail theory somewhere must have done air sample studies? Would you not think this would be a good place to start? There is no restricted access to the atmosphere so surely some chemtrail theory believer somewhere has tested out their theory and taken air samples?

    I dont know of anyone who has.But they should if they can.
    http://vodpod.com/watch/1828777-the-chemtrail-rain-biological-warfare-tested-against-a-small-us-town


    http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/nwo-poison-rain-water-tested-extemely-high-levels-haarp-and-chemtrails/

    After 15mm of rain, about 1 PM 3rd December, the water from the sky had 28.9 PPM of heavy metal components. Why? This measurement should be 1 to 3 PPM. So why are the elected members of government allowing this poison to be in our air we breathe?

    Now to compare what is regarded as a safe level for these elements, guess where we got the figures from? That’s right. Right out of the World Health Organization, their guidelines. In the water we tested that came out of the sky, it had, for example, 780 times over the safe level of aluminium. And they can tell you there that is causes a wide range of neurological ailments and Alzheimer’s disease. Arsenic was found, and it was 593 over the safe level of arsenic. Remember this is from eater coming out of the sky. This is from rain water. Look what it causes. Headaches, confusion, sleepiness, convulsions… arsenic poisoning causes vomiting, diarrhea, kidney, skin cancer, scrotal cancer, cancer of the liver – cancer of the lymphatic system, and lung cancer…


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Mr Plough


    As far am I am aware someone has tested the air for chemicals. Test results showed very high levels of barium. Of course the next question is... Can you prove it came from a plane ? .

    This test was aired in the documentary "what in the world are they spraying" afaik.


    http://www.google.ie/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying#q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbs=vid:1&psj=1&ei=AeIwTZCuMoPAhAf2-pnzCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CBIQ_AUoAg&fp=4df7404941e5fb5c


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    caseyann wrote: »
    I dont know of anyone who has.But they should if they can.
    http://vodpod.com/watch/1828777-the-chemtrail-rain-biological-warfare-tested-against-a-small-us-town


    http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/nwo-poison-rain-water-tested-extemely-high-levels-haarp-and-chemtrails/

    After 15mm of rain, about 1 PM 3rd December, the water from the sky had 28.9 PPM of heavy metal components. Why? This measurement should be 1 to 3 PPM. So why are the elected members of government allowing this poison to be in our air we breathe?

    Now to compare what is regarded as a safe level for these elements, guess where we got the figures from? That’s right. Right out of the World Health Organization, their guidelines. In the water we tested that came out of the sky, it had, for example, 780 times over the safe level of aluminium. And they can tell you there that is causes a wide range of neurological ailments and Alzheimer’s disease. Arsenic was found, and it was 593 over the safe level of arsenic. Remember this is from eater coming out of the sky. This is from rain water. Look what it causes. Headaches, confusion, sleepiness, convulsions… arsenic poisoning causes vomiting, diarrhea, kidney, skin cancer, scrotal cancer, cancer of the liver – cancer of the lymphatic system, and lung cancer…

    Can you prove any of these things were as a result of aircraft spraying chemicals?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Mr Plough wrote: »
    As far am I am aware someone has tested the air for chemicals. Test results showed very high levels of barium. Of course the next question is... Can you prove it came from a plane ? .

    This test was aired in the documentary "what in the world are they spraying" afaik.


    http://www.google.ie/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying#q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbs=vid:1&psj=1&ei=AeIwTZCuMoPAhAf2-pnzCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CBIQ_AUoAg&fp=4df7404941e5fb5c

    Look above lol :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Mr Plough wrote: »
    As far am I am aware someone has tested the air for chemicals. Test results showed very high levels of barium. Of course the next question is... Can you prove it came from a plane ? .

    This test was aired in the documentary "what in the world are they spraying" afaik.


    http://www.google.ie/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying#q=what+in+the+world+are+they+spraying&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbs=vid:1&psj=1&ei=AeIwTZCuMoPAhAf2-pnzCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CBIQ_AUoAg&fp=4df7404941e5fb5c

    Onto part 3 and finally some proper science / samples to dicuss. The video says that they took a sample of the accumulated crust of 1.5 years from a lined pond and found that it contained 375,000 ug/l of Aluminium. Sounds scary! But they are testing sediment not the water. Sediment is windblown soil and organi matter such as fish excrete that has accumuated on the bottom of the pond over 1.5 years according to the documentary 375,000 micrograms is 375 milligrams or 0.375 of a gram. There are 1,000 grams in a kg so this means the concentration of Aluminium is 0.0375%. Aluminium is the most abundant metal in the Earth's crust making up c.8% of it. So a sample of sedimented soil showing 0.0375% is nothing special and is proof of nothing only using big numbers to scaremonger people. Remember they didn't test water, they tested accumulated crust over 1.5 years. Onto the next bit...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭the immortals


    fascinating thread, just thought i'd let you know what i saw, i think it was on the 11th dec, i work in dublin airport for 8 years now, i had finished work at 1.30 was walking down to staff carpark past t2 when i saw these very low in the sky 6 white chemtrails , 3 going one way and 3 the other, they crisscrossed each other in a very symetrical pattern, i remember thinking "what the **** is that" as i thought it looked really unusual, it looked like something had been sprayed to me, it was a really clear sunny day and they just looked so odd, i dont know what they were but i know they werent contrails, anyway thats it


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