Pope says god was behind Big Bang, world awaits proof.

smokingman · 07-01-2011 9:41am #1

This guy should do stand up comedy, he gets funnier every time he opens his mouth!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0106/breaking70.html?via=mr

Benedict said that some scientific theories were "mind limiting" because "they only arrive at a certain point ... and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality ..."

Ahh, so scientists just doesn't have any imagination...go on....

He said scientific theories on the origin and development of the universe and humans, while not in conflict with faith, left many questions unanswered.
"In the beauty of the world, in its mystery, in its greatness and in its rationality ... we can only let ourselves be guided towards God, creator of heaven and earth," he said.

Ahh, the Polyfilla Arguement (I've just made that up but seems to match perfectly).

Obni · 07-01-2011 11:13am

"Polyfilla", nice one.

Dades · 07-01-2011 11:19am

Benedict said that some scientific theories were "mind limiting" because "they only arrive at a certain point ... and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality ..."

Clichéd, I know, but whose reality is that?

Or

magicbastarder · 07-01-2011 11:20am

hail mary, full of space.

Stercus Accidit · 07-01-2011 1:38pm

Some atheists say science can prove that God does not exist, but Benedict said that some scientific theories were "mind limiting" because "they only arrive at a certain point ... and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality ..."

Some people say

Who wrote this sh1te?

Galvasean · 07-01-2011 1:44pm

God must be tiny, hiding among those gaps.

recedite · 07-01-2011 9:43pm

Less important news; that cheeky pup Hawking disagrees;
"God did not create the universe and the Big Bang"

Zascar · 07-01-2011 9:55pm

So does this now mean that (Evangelical) Christians are no longer supposed to believe in Creationism? "Yes everything the scientists have said all along, which we argued profusely, is actually right... but only cause God made it all happen."

Right, ok.

My bet is they will actually ignore him and still continue to tout what they've been defending all this time

recedite · 07-01-2011 10:22pm

The stereotypical American evangelical creationists are protestant, so they will have to stick with it a bit longer, just so nobody can say they listened to the pope.

rccaulfield · 07-01-2011 11:20pm

Theres no mention of the big bang in that article by the pope wtf? Anyone got any quotes on the pope accepting evolution or is that more tabloid nonsense?

Plowman · 07-01-2011 11:30pm

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Dades · 07-01-2011 11:42pm

Zascar wrote: »

So does this now mean that (Evangelical) Christians are no longer supposed to believe in Creationism?

Them Evangelical boys don't hold any truck with what the Pope has to say.

It's one of the few things we have in common.

sponsoredwalk · 08-01-2011 12:40am

From the article:

Trash Journalism wrote:

Galileo was rehabilitated...

Does the author mean he was rehabilitated by being locked in his gaff for
the last part of his life or rehabilitated in the rehabilitating sense that the
church apologised for locking him in his house, stunting the advancement of early
science, & re-accepted him thereby rehabilitating him

lalee17 · 08-01-2011 12:44am

jhegarty · 08-01-2011 12:45am

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

From the article:

Does the author mean he was rehabilitated by being locked in his gaff for
the last part of his life or rehabilitated in the rehabilitating sense that the
church apologised for locking him in his house, stunting the advancement of early
science, & re-accepted him thereby rehabilitating him

rehabilitated(Verb)
1. Restore (someone) to health or normal life by training and therapy after imprisonment, addiction, or illness.
2. Restore (someone) to former privileges or reputation after a period of critical or official disfavor.

sponsoredwalk · 08-01-2011 12:49am

jhegarty wrote: »

rehabilitated(Verb)
1. Restore (someone) to health or normal life by training and therapy after imprisonment, addiction, or illness.
2. Restore (someone) to former privileges or reputation after a period of critical or official disfavor.

Wow absolvement from "official disfavour" is strong enough to deserve the
word "rehabilitate"

I thought that was only reserved for being sick or
when you actually did something wrong.

If you use the word that way it still doesn't make sense, they only
issued this apology as a means to gain their own "rehabilitation" in
the eyes of society seeing as they were the ones who transgressed,
& conceding that the term applies for them to bestow in this situation is to
concede that they took away reputation & privileges when in
the long run they were the ones who ultimately lost both,
hence the issuing of "rehabilitation" orders 300 years later as nothing
more than a face-saving tactic.

recedite · 08-01-2011 6:57pm

jhegarty wrote: »

rehabilitated(Verb)
1. Restore (someone) to health or normal life by training and therapy after imprisonment, addiction, or illness.
2. Restore (someone) to former privileges or reputation after a period of critical or official disfavor.

So does Galileo get to enjoy these restored privileges in the afterlife then, seeing as he was dead a few hundred years when he received them. Perhaps he gets some heavenly compo money into the bargain?

Galvasean · 09-01-2011 2:04pm

recedite wrote: »

Less important news; that cheeky pup Hawking disagrees;
"God did not create the universe and the Big Bang"

Pope versus Hawking... fight!

El_Duderino 09 · 09-01-2011 2:48pm

Hey guys,
I'm fine with the pope doing this and attributing things to god. at least he is accepting reality even if he is attributing it to his god. I wish more religious people would accept scientific ideas, like the earth being older than 6000 years, even if they are going to attribute them to their god, its an improvement. Accepting reality and saying 'my god done it' is better then not accepting the reality.

Sungodbr · 09-01-2011 3:09pm

some things are just too complex and scientific for god to create though thats why http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://brucemhood.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pope-condoms-24724-1238082255-13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://brucemhood.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/pope-condoms-very-father-ted/&usg=__yMpnOpaQwKYXVyIneOe3xJ4AAbg=&h=290&w=450&sz=57&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=PwafOZaq64bcEM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=191&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfather%2Bted%2Bpope%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D709%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=261&vpy=96&dur=353&hovh=159&hovw=247&tx=120&ty=32&ei=2L8pTa7ZBY2RnAefioziDQ&oei=2L8pTa7ZBY2RnAefioziDQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

Zillah · 09-01-2011 3:21pm

rccaulfield wrote: »

Anyone got any quotes on the pope accepting evolution or is that more tabloid nonsense?

Typing two words into google a bit too much effort for you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

Galvasean · 09-01-2011 9:35pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Hey guys,
I'm fine with the pope doing this and attributing things to god. at least he is accepting reality even if he is attributing it to his god. I wish more religious people would accept scientific ideas, like the earth being older than 6000 years, even if they are going to attribute them to their god, its an improvement. Accepting reality and saying 'my god done it' is better then not accepting the reality.

That's not really accepting reality though is it?
I suppose it is partially accepting reality.... a step in the right direction I guess.

rccaulfield · 09-01-2011 9:49pm

Plowman wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I'm just after links, why are you asking an unrelated question?

Zillah wrote: »

Typing two words into google a bit too much effort for you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

No but i have 2 words for you zillah! Christ ya can't make conversation in a forum these days without a smartarse jumpin on ya. Some horrible characters in this forum!

narddog · 09-01-2011 9:51pm

Who said Germans don't have a sense of humour..

Dades · 09-01-2011 10:59pm

rccaulfield wrote: »

Some horrible characters in this forum!

If you think someone's horrible to you don't take the bait and get lured into generalisations.

Thanking you.

Turtwig · 09-01-2011 11:46pm

rccaulfield wrote: »

I'm just after links, why are you asking an unrelated question?

No but i have 2 words for you zillah! Christ ya can't make conversation in a forum these days without a smartarse jumpin on ya. Some horrible characters in this forum!

In fairness Zillah was being nice to you. He could just have done this. And, given that Zillah is usually sharp and blunt, I'd defo say you got the nice end of his stick.

strobe · 10-01-2011 2:09am

Malty_T wrote: »

And, given that Zillah is usually sharp and blunt, I'd defo say you got the nice end of his stick.

Lol, very true.

Caulfield, that's about as nice as Zillah gets man, by his standards that's down right sociable.

Zillah · 10-01-2011 9:26am

I'm a horrible character.

Anyway my attitude was due to the rather obnoxious implication that a matter of public record (Catholic Church and evolution) was "tabloid nonsense". Especially when the person in question could have disabused themselves of this misconception rather easily rather than blustering around in here.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-01-2011 11:45am

Galvasean wrote: »

That's not really accepting reality though is it?
I suppose it is partially accepting reality.... a step in the right direction I guess.

I agree. Its not fully accepting reality. On the other hand, the way I see it, there are effects and causes. For gravity there is the effect, things are pulled towards each other, and the cause is our theory of gravity. (m1xm2)/D squared. I am fine if the pope agrees with that even if he says thats the way his god set it up. We can work from there.
If we can agree on the effect and agree on the theory I don't mind if they add on 'cos god did it that way'.
If that was all religions did I wouldn't have any problem with them.

Its when they dispute that the effect even occurs that I object. like in the case of evolution, or Heliocentrism in the past.

Rabble Rabble · 10-01-2011 12:55pm

I believe that the Papist church came up with the idea of the Big Bang in the first place, so as good Dawlinists we should go with something else like the Steady State theory.

Someone call Dawkins.

sensibleken · 10-01-2011 1:29pm

He banged Mary pretty hard

Pope says god was behind Big Bang, world awaits proof.

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