animal welfare in this country

I read that in the paper this morning, i didn't realise the guard didn't know it was illegal, come on that's insane, how thick was he/she?????

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Tranceypoo wrote: »

I read that in the paper this morning, i didn't realise the guard didn't know it was illegal, come on that's insane, how thick was he/she?????

This is typical of the gardai in Donegal, they don't want to know much about anything other than where thier next take-away is comming from. I found a stallion wandering on the road and ended up stuck with him for over a month. Gardai didn't want to know about it, told me to contact the dog warden, dog warden told me to contact the gardai, I ended up having to track down the owner myself who hadn't a clue he was 'missing' even though he lived in the field next to their house.

Off Topic but they were called to come to disturbance at a premises because a member of the public was smashing the place up, it happened to be a book-makers shop and were more interested in the commentary in the background and who had won the last race :rolleyes:. It took them 3 days to turn up at a shooting incident because they were busy with 'paperwork'. Complete bunch of incompetant imbeciles :mad:. I'm not surprised they didn't want to respond to a report of an incident in the long lane, it's were all the scarey settled travellers live :rolleyes:

steddyeddy wrote: »

you dont need to be a gaurd to know that in fairness

My dog is a pit bull and the gard in the station knew I had to get a muzzle that will cover the entire face not a standard muzzle.

The gards know the law but not the welfare.

Oh_Noes wrote: »

To be fair, the Gardai really do have more serious things to be worrying about that a dog running out on the road. I know it doesn't sound very compassionate but it's common sense.

I don't want to turn this into a knocking the guards thread, but not being worried about a dog running around traffic is fine until the car swerves and hits a child. Then this may register a little bit of concern. The ad on tv where the dog runs in front of the car causing an accident shows exactly what can happen.

Oh_Noes wrote: »

To be fair, the Gardai really do have more serious things to be worrying about that a dog running out on the road. I know it doesn't sound very compassionate but it's common sense.

So we make laws & then let the Guards decide whether to implement them.

Oh_Noes wrote: »

I would imagine someone who swerves to avoid a dog and causes an accident would be in trouble for dangerous driving.

When an animal runs out especially at night 99% of people will instinctively swerve. Letting your dog wander is a criminal offence.

We get the police force that we are prepared to accept. If you go to the Guards to report any crime & they refuse to accept your report or allow you to make a statement, then report the Guard. Report them first to the superintendent & make it clear that you are going to complain to the Garda Ombudsman.

The UK had many corrupt & incompetent Police officers until the Police Complaints Commission came into effect. Now UK Police dread complaints because they know that they will be thoroughly investigated. Make it the same for the Ombudsman here.

As with anything there's going to be good apples and bad apples, just how many bad apples there are can be debated. However, that a guard didn't know that kicking a pup to death was illegal I don't understand, surely everyone knows that. Maybe it was more of a case that he didn't want to investigate it.

As for the guard that didn't want to know about the stray dog and just said to let him go again. What if that dog went on to cause a crash, would they then have responded? And saying they have more important things to respond to, it's law they should respond.

It makes me sick to the stomach just thinking that kids of that young of an age are capable of that. When I was a kid I used to give out to my granny for stepping on slatters, I used to pick them up and release them outside. Thats the next generation of murderers right there. :mad: I can only imagine what they're homelife is like to think nothing of doing something like that, however that is no excuse.

By the way there are no pictures in that link (well I can't see one anyways ) just in case somebody didn't want to click on it for that reason. Just all text.

EGAR wrote: »

I often have to quote the law to Gardai when I work a cruelty case. However, I have recently met quite few compassionate Guards who are only too happy to assist in cruelty cases.

Maybe, because it is an English law dating from 1911, they don't learnt it .

At the end of the day it is the number of prosecutions that is a key factor in whether any Police force are enforcing the law. Our prosecution rate is minuscule compared to the UK.

You don't need to have studied law to know that cruelty is wrong. The choice as to whether the Guards prosecute doesn't just depend on the crime but also on who committed the crime. We are not all equal in the eyes of the law.

Cole wrote: »

I think that's probably the more likely explanation and hoping that the complainant will fall for the 'nothing to do with us' line and go away.

I have some experience with this and it's not exclusive to the Gardai. This mentality exists throughout our public service (and our nation in general) and while there are some terrific individuals doing great work, it's pot luck who you end up dealing with.

Apathy is one of the very worst characteristics of our country, imo.

The same approach is often used with consumer complaints in the hope that the complainant will give up. People should not have to chase up the Guards but if we don't then they will never take animal law seriously.

MACT1RE wrote: »

You should be ashamed of yourself for making a statement like that. <snip>

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I blame the parents