Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

galway2007 wrote: »

Have to agree
To get the 450K people off the dole they have to cut the wages by 20% to 30% this will force prices down as you can only charge what a consumer can afford to pay for a product.
This will also sort out the private sector employers that have screwed the irish people for the last 10 years
Bring it on it has to happen

Yeah, clap clap, clap.

All 1.8bn private sector workers screwed the economy over - it wasn't actually a handful or anything.

How about we terminate a large amount of PS service contracts and offer them again to the general public for reapplication and see what the market price comes to? As long as we are getting carried away with Muppett's obvious windup posts.

When private workers see the increased taxes they will pay this month and those on dole see their payments cut they will start asking why we are paying our public servants some of the highest pay/pension packages in the world. Any party who promises to tackle the thorny isue of public sector excess pay and pensions will benefit in such a climate.

galway2007 wrote: »

Yes and you fell for it again
Do you think he was going to say he was going to give them a pay rise?
Yea will vote them in to power thinking that he will cut public sector wages but once in they will have to keep the labor party happy
Who funds the labour party???
The unions member fund the labour party
So what will happen is more tax rises and more cuts and people don’t take to the streets when they happen
Other option is labour pull out of government due to strikes, work to rule and general chaois in the public sector
The hospitals are at breaking point today can they cope with a strike/ work to rule????
FG are full of crap just like FF and 32% of yea are falling for it all over again.
FG are playing a dangerous game and have forgot that there are 300k public sector most have partners and some have kids which could cost them up to 1 million votes.
FG F***ED up at the last election and I would not put it passed them to do it again this year
I ask again where is Enda???????????

Typical union p.s retoric...I gareentee that if the p.s strike they will not have the backing of the general public and for once you will be in the minority of people who think that you should be just happy to have a job...

As I say I urge anyone who wants this fcuked up retoric and union based biased crap to vote Fianna Gael and get them in there without Labour...

martian1980 wrote: »

****ed up union rhetoric? Are you saying that there is any chance of a single party government after the election? You're deluded. Labour will definitely be there and they won't countenance further ps pay cuts. That's realism.

Really the IMF will put the squeeze on as I say there is no way is it sustainable just to keep taxing everyone... Even do tax take was 3/4 of billion more than thaught by the gov. Income tax is down this is due to cuts and job losses mainly in the private sector. Granted P.S have been cut by 7% or so (and no I am not includeing the fcuking penion levy as far as I and other 1.5million non p.s tax payers it is a contribution to a defined benefit)

As I have repeated over and over again to various different P.S people on here

The last budget and the next 4/5 under the cpa p.s does not get touched.

How can this sacred lamb not be touched when all other areas of spend is being slashed and taxes rising all the time.

People (tax payers) are leaving this country in its drove in 3 months time when the IMF gauge that even with the hefty increase in taxes Income will still be down due to emigration and further pay cuts. They will say well taxing the fcuk out of the the working person has not worked.

So in theory the p.s dont want cuts but find it acceptable that pensioners and those unemployed continue to get slashed...

Cool well I tell you if this continues to 2015 the only tax payers left in this country will be the p.s ...

So good look with that one . from what I can see there is a big swing towards FG people who never voted before (including myself and many others I know are voting for them)

As I say lets see what happens but 2011 will be the year that makes or breaks this country and if the CPA deal is still in tact by the end of the year and we get a simular does of tax hikes, I for one will be out of this country and I reckon I would be indicitive of the middle class citizen...And yourself and Galway can stike all you want when there are fcuk all tax payers left to pay your wage

fliball123 wrote: »

Really the IMF will put the squeeze on as I say there is no way is it sustainable just to keep taxing everyone... Even do tax take was 3/4 of billion more than thaught by the gov. Income tax is down this is due to cuts and job losses mainly in the private sector. Granted P.S have been cut by 7% or so (and no I am not includeing the fcuking penion levy as far as I and other 1.5million non p.s tax payers it is a contribution to a defined benefit)

As I have repeated over and over again to various different P.S people on here

The last budget and the next 4/5 under the cpa p.s does not get touched.

How can this sacred lamb not be touched when all other areas of spend is being slashed and taxes rising all the time.

People (tax payers) are leaving this country in its drove in 3 months time when the IMF gauge that even with the hefty increase in taxes Income will still be down due to emigration and further pay cuts. They will say well taxing the fcuk out of the the working person has not worked.

So in theory the p.s dont want cuts but find it acceptable that pensioners and those unemployed continue to get slashed...

Cool well I tell you if this continues to 2015 the only tax payers left in this country will be the p.s ...

So good look with that one . from what I can see there is a big swing towards FG people who never voted before (including myself and many others I know are voting for them)

As I say lets see what happens but 2011 will be the year that makes or breaks this country and if the CPA deal is still in tact by the end of the year and we get a simular does of tax hikes, I for one will be out of this country and I reckon I would be indicitive of the middle class citizen...And yourself and Galway can stike all you want when there are fcuk all tax payers left to pay your wage

well, lenihan calls the pension levy a pay cut and eamonn gilmore calls the pension levy a paycut. you can call it what you like - I'm more concerned with what they say.

It'll be a real shame if you were to leave the country, but the great thing about the internet is that you can access it from anywhere, so we can still get the benefit of your opinion

Citizen_Cutback wrote: »

You can punch in the figures and compare Public Sector and Private Sector take-home pay for a given salary here: http://taxcalc.eu/

It is more informative if you download and use the Excel spreadsheet version.

why introduce facts to the debate? A lot of the PS attackers here post as if they're in the after hours forum anyway

fliball123 wrote: »

I still see that no ps representative here has justified that ps pay has not been touched in the last budget and under the cpa it will not be touched for the next 4/5 budgets Meaning more taxation, more cuts in pension, more cuts to social welfare and less value for money for the tax payer as public services will suffer...

Yet once you guys have your wage remember its income vs expenditure we are paying nearly 20 billion more than we are taking in and as I say that was before bringing in the interest payments for the IMF bailout and with more tax payers leaving the country there will be an even bigger hole next year...

The CPA will be torn up by the end of this year it is ridiculous to think that this sacred lamb can survive - even if Labour are anywhere near power...

And before you give the we had our cuts speech..Everyone has had there cuts...Its just not so public when a private sector worker is told we have to cut your wage or make redundancies or close up shop..

The attituede of this P.S elite is going to destroy the country ... As I stated if the CPA is here this time next year I will be in Oz or Canada and the gov, ps can go f()ck right off with there overbloated salaries and stupidity..

The best of luck to you in Oz or Canada there buddy

fliball123 wrote: »

Cheers for that but I reckon I will be here so best of luck with your cuts

so long as we're both still in a position to post on boards during work hours, at least we'll still have each other

as stated if I was in the public sector I would probably be digging the same trench

it is not a question of digging a trench. It is a question of opposing Bertie Ahern style economics where soundbites and trite statements are repeated over and over again without any concrete basis for argument. Bertie wanted to spread the money around without reference to whether it was being well or appropriately spent. Anything to avoid any complex thought on the subject. The neo Berties of this forum want to cut everything, without reference to the extent to which existing expenditure is reasonable or not, and they keep parroting the same Bertieisms to justify their views. This kind of crap got Ireland where is it today and only a thorough change of attitude will improve things. One cannot be hopeful looking at things here.

just my own judgement on the facts that income tax is down even with tax increases.

So what, exactly.

Is it a L'oreal answer because they are worth it NOT

That's typical of the helpful contributions here.

All other areas of public spend is down bar ps pay why is was this a protected species in the last budget and why is it still a protected species for the next 3/4 budgets??

Pay cuts were a feature of 2008 and especially 2009. The pay cut phase is over in general and some level of inflation will be returning.

so do you not think that that the private sector got cut at all?? attack the post not the poster?

ardmacha wrote: »

Pay cuts were a feature of 2008 and especially 2009. The pay cut phase is over in general and some level of inflation will be returning.

Well, inflation of 1.75% is estimated from the ESRI in 2011 (after their estimate of -0.75% in 2010).

However,with mortgage interest rates being included in the CPI it really skews the idea that we have had minimum inflation in 2010. Indeed, with the ECB could increase its rate in 2011 and this would be counted as inflationary for the purposes of the CPI. One reason the HICP can be a better measure.

But on your point, the era of adjustment in public finances is certainly not over with another €9bn to be made up over the period 2012-2014 - this is of more importance.

I mean am I being naive here

Yes.

Its obvious tax increases aint working

Tax increases brought in more revenue than would have been raised in the absence of those increases.

pensions - been cut this budget

PS pensions were (appropriately) reduced in this budget. Other pensions have not been reduced in any way in any budget.

but hey the ps are worth it

Another helpful comment.

fliball123 wrote: »

So the only Naive people are p.s workers who think the cpa will still be in action at the end of the year

Even though the gutting of The CPA would be my wish I do not share your optimism that it will be abandoned "at the end of the year". Succesive governments have shown themselves to be extraordinarily adept at managing to genuflect at The Unions altar while "appearing" to take a hardline with them.

One can only hope.

fliball123 wrote: »

Kaiser a blind man can see the following figures

December an increase in people signing on

2010 big increase in emigration and another 60k expected to leave this year

Income tax take down despite the fact that income tax was increased in the budget of Dec 2009.

To me these figures show that continuing to tax the feck out of the working person is not working ... I have been banging on here about the point of diminishing returns with regards to tax take. To me if income tax take is down even do it was increased it means people are leaving as they cannot afford it.

Now having said that all will hang on the following

How many of the expected 60k leaving will be unemployed vs employed.
How much will the cpa save if anything.

But taxing people more than they already are is proving the wrong way to go as I said there has been a massive increase in people emigrating and if the live reg has gone up it means the majority of people heading off were in employment and contributing to the tax take???

I'm not ignoring, or ignorant, of the figures.

I am merely saying that whatever government is in power will do their damnedest to assuage The Unions, even if the pushes the rest of the country into a downward spiral and penury. Succesive governments have not learned that this small bunch are unrepresentative of the country as a whole and I see no sea change in mood from FG/Lab over this.