Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

irishh_bob wrote: »

ah the ol chestnut of cost of living , cost of living is high because wages and wellfare are high and because so many areas of the economy operate in a protectionist market , electricity , doctors , dentists etc


the cost of living is more of a problem for private sector workers as they are paid less , thier is a wage imbalance in the economy between public and private and as along as the pay differential remains so large , the cost of living will remain on the high side

I am asking a question, not stating a fact or being confrontational so I'm not sure why you elaborated and assumed I meant what you have stated. I am merely asking questions as to where people are getting their facts and figures and what they are basing their opinions on as I am wondering if the claims being made are accurate or based on sweeping generalisations by people reading a general set of figures. Reform is needed, absolutely, but it needs to be done on the basis of informed and accurate information.

fliball123 wrote: »

and no one has answered the big pink elephant question why are new entrants to the p.s being paid 10% ???? Answers below

because the P.S is overpaid by at least 10%

Do you believe people who lost their jobs did so because they were being paid 100% too much. The cuts are due to our economic plight and not to any notion of people being overpaid.

The Muppet wrote: »

Do you believe people who lost their jobs did so because they were being paid 100% too much. The cuts are due to our economic plight and not to any notion of people being overpaid.

Really so how is that fair if I am a new entrant that if I am doing the same job as someone else yet I am paid 10% less.... Your really reaching there Muppet...and as the O.P stats your are getting 49% more on average per hour than people in the private sector...You are getting more than your EU counterparts and even when I state that next year all tax payers will see there take home pay cut by a good % yet the CPA and the PS get no cut...What has people losing their jobs got to do with anything..Did I fire anyone...What about the majority of the near 1/2 a million people on the scratch 90 - 95% came from the private sector...yet these poor people had a 4% cut and yet still no cut in the P.S wage....Do none of you public servants not see this as being vile and wrong...

There was another thread here about the AIB bonuses I was against them and the same public servants were on that thread giving it oh it shouldnt be paid (and it shouldnt be paid) and yet bonuses and pay incements continue in the P.S via the national wage agreement....

almighty1 wrote: »

Its essentially a pay cut. People who dont even contribute to a PS pension have to pay it.

So what all pension contributions via the tax payer should be stopped and all ps should be made make their own contributions out of their own wage

fliball123 wrote: »

Really so how is that fair if I am a new entrant that if I am doing the same job as someone else yet I am paid 10% less.... Your really reaching there Muppet...and as the O.P stats your are getting 49% more on average per hour than people in the private sector...You are getting more than your EU counterparts and even when I state that next year all tax payers will see there take home pay cut by a good % yet the CPA and the PS get no cut...What has people losing their jobs got to do with anything..Did I fire anyone...What about the majority of the near 1/2 a million people on the scratch 90 - 95% came from the private sector...yet these poor people had a 4% cut and yet still no cut in the P.S wage....Do none of you public servants not see this as being vile and wrong...

There was another thread here about the AIB bonuses I was against them and the same public servants were on that thread giving it oh it shouldnt be paid (and it shouldnt be paid) and yet bonuses and pay incements continue in the P.S via the national wage agreement....

Your arguement on this point is too simplistic, Ie if your boss decides to cut your pay you must be earning too much .

Don't be insulting peoples intelligence by continually repeating that PS workers get paid 49% more than their private sector counterparts, Nobody believes that figure is accurate.

fliball123 wrote: »

Well apparently according to the P.S the average figures quoted by the O.P which was done by the CSO is not an accurate figure...I would like someone to explain how its not an accurate figure...aggreed there is skewedness at the top which has been brought back down with the salary cap...I mean the average is the average and is a good weighting of salary

We may disagree over certain aspects of this debate but I still wish you luck and hope you don't need to emigrate in order to make ends meet. Good luck to you...

The Muppet wrote: »

Your arguement on this point is too simplistic, Ie if your boss decides to cut your pay you must be earning too much .

Don't be insulting peoples intelligence by continually repeating that PS workers get paid 49% more than their private sector counterparts, Nobody believes that figure is accurate.

I am repeating the CSO figures that came to that conclusion...I have argued that you guys are overpaid in comparison to other eu countries and I have argued the next year the tax payer will be cut, the dole will be cut but the P.S is still not cut..and as I have said before and no one has came up with a credible answer as to why the P.S new entrants are paid 10% less??? So my point has not been simplistic I have based my opinion on CSO comparisons to the private sector...There have been comparisons before by CSO and other organisations which are public sector stating that you are over piad in comparison to other EU countries and I have also based in on the fact that tax payers, dole, carers have all taken a cut and yet the CPA sits pretty with the public sector Unions behind it...


As I say I will let my vote do the talking FG and Sinn Fein seem to be the only parties talking about cuts in the P.S and thats where my vote will go

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Can you clarify for me, how are the tax payers being cut?

Wont we be paying more in tax therfore take home pay is cut and before you give me the but P.S pay tax...If you guys took a cut it means less money has to come out of my tax to pay your wage..Its simple maths

fliball123 wrote: »

I am repeating the CSO figures that came to that conclusion...I have argued that you guys are overpaid in comparison to other eu countries and I have argued the next year the tax payer will be cut, the dole will be cut but the P.S is still not cut..and as I have said before and no one has came up with a credible answer as to why the P.S new entrants are paid 10% less??? So my point has not been simplistic I have based my opinion on CSO comparisons to the private sector...There have been comparisons before by CSO and other organisations which are public sector stating that you are over piad in comparison to other EU countries and I have also based in on the fact that tax payers, dole, carers have all taken a cut and yet the CPA sits pretty with the public sector Unions behind it...


As I say I will let my vote do the talking FG and Sinn Fein seem to be the only parties talking about cuts in the P.S and thats where my vote will go

Those figures have already been dicredited numerous times here. Anyone with a brain cell knows quite well that the average Public Sector worker does not earn 49% more than his private sector counterpart.

almighty1 wrote: »

So will PS :rolleyes:

Re-read my full post sorry I edited it

Riskymove wrote: »

this is an ongoing issue with presentation of the statistics, particularly by this OP

the average pay of all PS and of all Provate sector cannot easily be compared, no matter how hard jimmmy/japer tries

Absolutely. I agree 100%.

I even read an article in the past week or so that showed public employees recieved more deductions that private in the past two years. To me this means absolutely nothing.

You can't compare like with like. You can't talk about averages. A salary for a public employee vs a private employee is calculated differently (pensions, pay cuts, levys, etc).

When you talk about the averages you are including the fat cats at the top of the public services chain which bears no relation to the average worker. We have staff who are earning 5 times that of Brian Cowen (who again is earning more than Obama). This throws the statistics completely out of whack.

As for job security, as a PS I don't feel I have job security. Most of my colleagues have lost their jobs as the PS is keep on using fixed term contracts. The contracts would normally be renewed and most people more or less expected to continue in their role... this isn't the case now and these people are unemployed. I've also experienced people taking a leave of absence from work due to personal reasons (unpaid of course) and now they are told they can't return as there are no posts available (despite understaffing). After everything that has happened in the past two years I wouldn't be surprised if forced redundancies came into operation.

And in relation to bonues/overtime - there are very few sections of the PS where you can avail of this. Bonuses only go to the fat cats (and I don't think anyone approves of the idea of bonuses anyway) and as for overtime it just doesn't happen. I mean... it does, you work it because you need to, but you don't get paid for it and only if you are extremely lucky will you manage to recoup some time in lieu.

Finally congratulations to all of those who keep the public vs private argument going. You're distracting yourselves and everyone else from the real reason the country is in the state that it is.

almighty1 wrote: »

We still incur the loss......are you for real?:eek:

so we all do...but I have explained it as simple as I can 1.5mil people in the private sector paying tax 300k in the pub sector...why should the 1.5 continue to pay more and more tax when the 300k do not take any hits?