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Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

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  • #152
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Never mind I found one.


    A Senior. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer earns €51,677 in Ireland , in the UK he would earn £38,968 or €45 910 at todays exchange rate

    An Office Administrator earns €25,720 in Ireland in the Uk he earns £16,134 or €19 005 at todays exchange rate

    http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Country=United_Kingdom/Salary

    http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Country=Ireland/Salary

    The point of the excercise being to show that wage rates in all sectors in Ireland is Higher than those of our nearest neighbour and we all know the reasons for that.

    But you take out the fact that people only get paid if these wages if their company is successfull...Its quite clear that the P.S are overloaded and overpaid. I wont even start discussing the numerous scandals but the fact is we the tax payer are paying this. Our tax has increased our ability to pay your wage has diminished and so the wages of the P.S should decrease accordingly...You can compare the P.S with other countries or the P.S with the private sector...and people will argue the skewdness, the incorrect data, no correlation..

    The one measurement you cannot dispute is the fact that the general public have less money in their pocket..would anyone here disagree??? and therefore wages we the public pay out should be cut ...simple


  • #153
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    Wow Japers fascination with the public sector continues.

    No similar attacks on targeting our social welfare bill.
    No similar attacks on our lack of a job creation stimulus package.
    No similar attacks on the builders and bankers who contributed to the mess we are in.

    I'd love to know why the hatred? What is your agenda?

    Are you going to continue posting all these crap threads whenever you read some skewed anti-ps column on some crap newspaper?


  • #154
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Wow Japers fascination with the public sector continues.

    No similar attacks on targeting our social welfare bill.
    No similar attacks on our lack of a job creation stimulus package.
    No similar attacks on the builders and bankers who contributed to the mess we are in.

    I'd love to know why the hatred? What is your agenda?

    Are you going to continue posting all these crap threads whenever you read some skewed anti-ps column on some crap newspaper?

    the hatred comes when we the tax payer are picking up this tab while taking hits and cuts in wages... and then hearing about unions going to strike if any wage cut. CPA put in place to protect the 300k P.S staff and then cutting the minimum wage so this will only effect the private sector...as I have yet to see any entry level positions in the P.S that is on the min wage..The welfare should be cut as well and a good cut ...but it should be reformed its scndanlous to think that a person who is just recently let go is getting the same as someone who is 3 years + on the scratch


  • #155
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    fliball123 wrote: »
    the hatred comes when we the tax payer are picking up this tab while taking hits and cuts in wages... and then hearing about unions going to strike if any wage cut. CPA put in place to protect the 300k P.S staff and then cutting the minimum wage so this will only effect the private sector...as I have yet to see any entry level positions in the P.S that is on the min wage..The welfare should be cut as well and a good cut ...but it should be reformed its scndanlous to think that a person who is just recently let go is getting the same as someone who is 3 years + on the scratch

    Any new entrants to the PS would be on a wage of minus 10% of original starting salary I think that is a cut in wages for any potential new staff.
    14% effective cuts last year on PS wages, is that not also a cut?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #156
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    the hatred comes when we the tax payer are picking up this tab while taking hits and cuts in wages... and then hearing about unions going to strike if any wage cut. CPA put in place to protect the 300k P.S staff and then cutting the minimum wage so this will only effect the private sector...as I have yet to see any entry level positions in the P.S that is on the min wage..The welfare should be cut as well and a good cut ...but it should be reformed its scndanlous to think that a person who is just recently let go is getting the same as someone who is 3 years + on the scratch

    PS already had pay cuts, pension levies, taxes on pensions etc etc. I do agree that that many areas of the public sector need to be reformed but the whole attitude that all PS sit on the their arses and are a lazy shower is just a witch hunt fueled by idiotic newspapers and gullible (being polite) readers.


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  • #157
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Any new entrants to the PS would be on a wage of minus 10% of original starting salary I think that is a cut in wages for any potential new staff.
    14% effective cuts last year on PS wages, is that not also a cut?

    yeah but you can be garenteed the entry level for the p.s will be the new minimum wage...its a cut but not by the same amount abd its still 39% higher an hour than the current difference...

    As I pointed out and no one has argued against me.

    The general public has less money to spend therefore what they pay money on should come down and that includes the wages of the public service


  • #158
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    almighty1 wrote: »
    PS already had pay cuts, pension levies, taxes on pensions etc etc. I do agree that that many areas of the public sector need to be reformed but the whole attitude that all PS sit on the their arses and are a lazy shower is just a witch hunt fueled by idiotic newspapers and gullible (being polite) readers.

    Pension levy is a contribution to a defined benefit..so go ask my arse with that one.....

    No the newspapers have been getting scandal after scandal after scandal about the inefficiencies in the p.s

    Do we really want a list of these......

    P.S has had a minor cut and dont DARE put the pension fcuking levy in ye clown...

    and its been fueled by the private sector employee trying to survive...you have the P.S on one side the cnuting bankers on the other both squeezing the average private sector tax payer....

    As I stated before untill all new P.S entrants start on the new min wage and the p.s take a nice 20% and no bonuses or increases which are still going on through the national wage aggreement...I am sick to death of this..


  • #159
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    The general public has less money to spend therefore what they pay money on should come down and that includes the wages of the public service

    Already happened.


  • #160
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Already happened.

    Yeah last year the tax payer lost money as did the P.S

    This year the tax payer has been literally been kicked in th gonads..and no pay decline for the P.S how do you stand by that one Sherlock??


  • #161
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    fliball123 wrote: »
    yeah but you can be garenteed the entry level for the p.s will be the new minimum wage...its a cut but not by the same amount abd its still 39% higher an hour than the current difference...

    Sorry Im very confused what exactly would the entry wage be 39% higher than?
    As I pointed out and no one has argued against me.
    If your wrong I'll argue
    The general public has less money to spend therefore what they pay money on should come down and that includes the wages of the public service

    Huh!!
    Public sector spending soming down, there are efforts to reduce it in place. The 14% pay cut was such an effort, however public spedning was also rising becasue of unemployment and social welfare payments.
    If you are seeking a massive reduction in public spending in say a 30 day time frame you are mad, mad i say.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • #162
    lyverbird1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭lyverbird1


    Yet another generalised load of rubbish that encourages people to think of the ordinary public sector worker as an overpaid freeloader. I can assure you that as a public sector worker I am not overpaid and thanks to four separate cuts in the last year, myself and my husband (a private sector worker) are now just about making ends meet and we don't even have a family or extravagant outgoings. I have no doubt that there are overpaid people within the public sector and that greater economies could be made in many areas but please stop generalising like this - it creates anger against the ordinary worker and deflects attention away from the people responsible for the inadequacies within the public sector.


  • #163
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    And now we have to listen to this cr*p about civil servants getting bonuses - This state and the way it is being run is a fukcing joke.


  • #164
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Another CSO study found that 53% of public sector employees are educated to third level compared to 32% of the private sector. More highly educated people earn more no matter what sector they work in. IIRC the study also found that public sector workers are, on average, older and have more experience. Again, there is a general trend of those who are older and more experienced earning more.

    So based on this I wonder would Japer et al also have a problem with, for example, a 50 year old engineer with 25 years experience earning more than an 18 year old cleaner with both working in the private sector.

    Comparing public and private as in the original post is like comparing apples and oranges (or lemons in the case of Japer)


  • #165
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Sorry Im very confused what exactly would the entry wage be 39% higher than?


    If your wrong I'll argue



    Huh!!
    Public sector spending soming down, there are efforts to reduce it in place. The 14% pay cut was such an effort, however public spedning was also rising becasue of unemployment and social welfare payments.
    If you are seeking a massive reduction in public spending in say a 30 day time frame you are mad, mad i say.

    well it was kinda tongue in check ... as in p.s 49% more than private sector so if they loss 10% then its only 39% I was trying to be a bit cheeky and lighten the mood as I was about to fcuk the computer out the window

    I am not saying anything about a 30 day time frame but 20% should implemented the way the tax take being incresed is ...over the next few years...

    Its unfair that the general public next year are hit with more tax and yet we cannot reduce the wage of the public sector because of the cpa


  • #166
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Wow Japers fascination with the public sector continues.

    No similar attacks on targeting our social welfare bill.
    I have actually often and consistently argued for a reduction in the social welfare. As I often said before, its very wrong that someone on Dundalk should be getting double on social welfare what someone in Newry gets.
    Both unemployment benefit / the dole, and old age pensions, should be reduced considerably, given the IMF is here etc. They should never have been risen so much over the past 10 years or so. However, its difficult to argue that an old age pensioner should get the same pecentage reduction as say, the head of the ESB who is on 750,000 per year.
    almighty1 wrote: »
    No similar attacks on our lack of a job creation stimulus package.
    The best stimulus we can have is not to borrow tens of billions ( at a high rate of interest ) to blow on public sector wages over the next few years. It was government interference in the market in the first place ( eg the stimulus to the property sector through section 23 and section 50 tax incentives ) which distorted the market and helped put us in the mess we are in.

    almighty1 wrote: »
    No similar attacks on the builders and bankers who contributed to the mess we are in.
    I have consistenly denounced / attacked the regulator + central bank for not doing their job properly. They should not have let Fitzpatrick and Fingleton etc "bed+ breakfast" large sums of money in + out of their institutrions to massage the accounts etc. Any builders or bankers who broke the law should be punished. Its up to the government and the public service to make and enforce the law.
    almighty1 wrote: »
    I'd love to know why the hatred?
    Its not "hatred" of individuals in the public service. We all know individuals in the public service whom we respect.( even though some of them are on nearly double what they would get if they were employed in the public service in N. Ireland - but in fairness some people in the public service here admit they are way overpaid ). However as another poster said the hatred comes when we the tax payer are picking up the tab for the public service, while taking hits and cuts in wages and pensions and standards of living, and seeing the country banjaxed for decades to come, partly because of the sense of entitlement of those in the public service ( including the government). Leaving out the banks, we are spending about 50 billion a year + taking about 30 in taxes. That is unsustainable.


  • #167
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    Yeah last year the tax payer lost money as did the P.S

    This year the tax payer has been literally been kicked in th gonads..and no pay decline for the P.S how do you stand by that one Sherlock??

    Elementary my Dear Watson!!!
    Lets assume what you call the "tax payer" is the private sector.
    I work in the public sector but according to you Im not a tax payer. :rolleyes:

    Anyway how has the "tax payer"/private sector being kicked in the gonads any worse that the public sector?


  • #168
    galway2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Never mind I found one.


    A Senior. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer earns €51,677 in Ireland , in the UK he would earn £38,968 or €45 910 at todays exchange rate

    An Office Administrator earns €25,720 in Ireland in the Uk he earns £16,134 or €19 005 at todays exchange rate

    http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Country=United_Kingdom/Salary

    http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Country=Ireland/Salary

    The point of the excercise being to show that wage rates in all sectors in Ireland is Higher than those of our nearest neighbour and we all know the reasons for that.

    Could you find us a link to the cost of living in the uk over the last 10 years or do we assume that the uk people have being screwed the same way as the Irish people have being screwed over the past 10 year by the Irish private sector due to there inflated prices to feed there greed for profit causing an average inflation of 5%
    We can then compare the wages in Ireland to the UK


  • #169
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Another CSO study found that 53% of public sector employees are educated to third level compared to 32% of the private sector. More highly educated people earn more no matter what sector they work in. IIRC the study also found that public sector workers are, on average, older and have more experience. Again, there is a general trend of those who are older and more experienced earning more.

    So based on this I wonder would Japer et al also have a problem with, for example, a 50 year old engineer with 25 years experience earning more than an 18 year old cleaner with both working in the private sector.

    Comparing public and private as in the original post is like comparing apples and oranges (or lemons in the case of Japer)

    Sorry what does an uneducated gaurd earn in this country...Go and ask my #$#$ for all that education you would think we would have a p.s that ran smoothly instead of it thinkering from scandal to scandal


  • #170
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The public service deserve pay rises, more holidays, and huge pension increases as they do a fantastic job.


  • #171
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Elementary my Dear Watson!!!
    Lets assume what you call the "tax payer" is the private sector.
    I work in the public sector but according to you Im not a tax payer. :rolleyes:

    Anyway how has the "tax payer"/private sector being kicked in the gonads any worse that the public sector?

    I never said you didnt pay tax...my point being as long as you guys stay in your overpaid over pensioned jobs...my tax takes a hit...sorry if I am being a bit of mein fein but I feel that if I lose my cash to spend on items for my child which is what will happen next year...I would rather see your wages go down than my tax go up..

    Why not hit 300k instead of 1.8m people


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  • #172
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    ebbsy wrote: »
    The public service deserve pay rises, more holidays, and huge pension increases as they do a fantastic job.

    I hope your being sarcastic here? under the nat wage aggreement pay increments are still being paid...bonuses are still being paid...


  • #173
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    ebbsy wrote: »
    The public service deserve pay rises, more holidays, and huge pension increases as they do a fantastic job.

    I have to say I wholeheartedly disagree with you. With myself being the exception of course. :p


  • #174
    lyverbird1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭lyverbird1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    Sorry what does an uneducated gaurd earn in this country...Go and ask my #$#$ for all that education you would think we would have a p.s that ran smoothly instead of it thinkering from scandal to scandal

    What does an uneducated guard earn? What does an educated guard earn while we're at it?


  • #175
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    So based on this I wonder would Japer et al also have a problem with, for example, a 50 year old engineer with 25 years experience earning more than an 18 year old cleaner with both working in the private sector.
    The 50 year old qualified engineer should always make more than the 18 year old cleaner, no matter what sector either is in.

    The point is, as said before, The "secretary, accountant, vet, cleaner, office administrator,receptionist dentist, or dogsbody" in the public service simply should NOT have hourly earnings 49% more than the average "secretary, accountant, vet, cleaner, office administrator, receptionist, dentist, or dogsbody" in the private service.


  • #176
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    I would rather see your wages go down than my tax go up..

    Why not hit 300k instead of 1.8m people

    Of course you would. Its called each man for themselves. Its the same reason why japers continuously creates his anti-ps posts.

    However everybody has taken a hit both public, private and social welfare.

    Any further cuts that are necessary need to be fair and spread out across all areas of society.


  • #177
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    lyverbird1 wrote: »
    What does an uneducated guard earn? What does an educated guard earn while we're at it?

    A hell of a lot more than educated people in the private sector...

    Look all you public servants on here can argue that you got cut...and you did by 7-10%

    the majority of the people on the live register came from the private sector they have been cut by a larger % over the last 2 years

    and I for one will be voting for the party currently sein fein or FG who has prmomised to tackle the monster that is the public sector.......and I urge any other private sector employee to do the same...


  • #178
    fliball123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Of course you would. Its called each man for themselves. Its the same reason why japers continuously creates his anti-ps posts.

    However everybody has taken a hit both public, private and social welfare.

    Any further cuts that are necessary need to be fair and spread out across all areas of society.

    Thats sh1t I tell you that people not working in the p.s are going to leave this country as it will not be worth their while staying I know countless (employed people) who have left as the tax being taken is doing damage...but as long as the p.s have no job cuts.....I find it strange that the gov were willing to go after the 40mill in bonuses to AIB and they wont tackle the P.S


  • #179
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    fliball123 wrote: »
    and I for one will be voting for the party currently sein fein ...

    The only reason you vote for them is because they will tackle the public sector issue?
    Stops taking any of your comments seriously. :rolleyes:


  • #180
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    The point is, as said before, The "secretary, accountant, vet, cleaner, office administrator,receptionist dentist, or dogsbody" in the public service simply should NOT have hourly earnings 49% more than the average "secretary, accountant, vet, cleaner, office administrator, receptionist, dentist, or dogsbody" in the private service.

    Begod, Jimmmy, you were bound to see the light eventually. The above is perfectly reasonable. Now if the discussion could proceed on this basis and people should show accountant or dentists who are paid 49% more in the public sector than the private sector then there will be a clear basis for proposed action.

    Something tells me though that it will be back to the usual crap.


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  • #181
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    fliball123 wrote: »
    I hope your being sarcastic here? under the nat wage aggreement pay increments are still being paid...bonuses are still being paid...

    You got it in one mate.

    Now if you could excuse me I have to go and take another week off sick, while the queries that I deal with from the public fall into a black hole.


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