Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

Finally some facts proving what we already knew in the Private Sector.

Stop strangling our nation and give up the croke park agreement and smell the coffee

Riskymove wrote: »

No its just that the 250k is at such a high level it would not affect many people and therefore not the average too much (unless there were people on really high levels)

there would not be a high percentage of the private sector over 250k either

average is the average...I mean usless were doing 95%ile of 3 standard deviations from the mean...The P.S is over paid..only in the ps could an uneducated gaurd earn so much would not happen in the private sector

Japer wrote: »

less of the personal digs please.

I do not attack you for spending your working public service day on the computer.

Yes you did with this post!

Japer wrote: »

but some countries spend on lot on things which we do not have here in Ireland eg military / NATO obligations etc. Our public servants are still way overpaid and over-pensioned. Its sad some people cannot see this, despite the IMF being here.

Oh come off it, you are one of the posters who loves to talk EU averages, yet when those number dont match your preferrred position of attacking the Ps you change you tune.

So which is it do you wish we should aspire to be EU average or not?

Government spend contributes ZERO to an economy.
Public sector wages contribute ZERO to an economy.

At the moment private enterprise/free market has to pay a 20billon wage bill for an over-staffed, in-efficient public sector which doesn't even work.
(It fails to fill basic requirements in terms of financial regulation & health care.)

This is unsustainable. The private sector should not support this dead weight in times of prosperity & cannot during times of recession. This is 20bn which would alternatively be invested by entrepeneurs to generate wealth & employment.

The whole political sector in this country is lacking a vision of what needs to happen in order for us to return to prosperity.

The government has missed an opportunity in this budget.
A plan for progressive radical reform of the public sector should have been introduced. 50,000 public sector employees should have been fired immediately & all wages reduced 30% across the board.

Serious & radical reform should have happened, but it didn't. The reason is that politicians don't grasp the fundamental importance of reforming the government. They don’t understand that an economy has limited resources which are shrinking.

The patient is dying & the doctors have chosen to spend the money on consultations not medicine.

Government is focused on generating revenue to repay an impossible debt from bone dry tax base which is dying from lack of capital resources.
This is complete & utter madness.
It will bury this country for a generation or 2 or until a political leader comes who shouts STOP.

What is happening now is the worst case scenario possible. The economy is suffocated from tax increase without serious & radical reform.
The only way out of this mess is for the government to radically cut spending & balance a small budget to allow all remaining resources back into the economy so that industry can create jobs & wealth.
We are 4 million people. We are the size of greater Manchester.
We need small efficient government.
We need a radical plan to get there.

That same principle applies whether we remain in the Euro, leave the Euro, burn bondholders or not, change government or not.
There is only 1 way to create prosperity in an economy.
We need to allow the free-market economy to breathe.
Until we remove the pillow from the face of the Irish economy, we've no chance.

FF, FG, Labour, SF haven't a foggiest clue what’s needed here. Reform might not happen until 4 years down the line when we are truly on our knees and at deaths door.
Not until that point will the turkeys vote for Christmas.

I understand PS workers feel attacked at this point. It’s a real pity the government doesn’t just publish a sensible plan for reform. Everybody will knows where they stand & this societal envy between those who have & those who have not could end.

Japer wrote: »

Instead of being one of the highest paid public services in Europe - if not the highest- we should immediately cut public service pay levels to the EC average or less, given the IMF is here are we are borrowing 50 billion for every 30 billion we take in taxes.

If we are doign that we shoudl also increase tax to EU average and lower minimum wage to EU average.
We should also introduce all the charges other EU states have such as france having tolls on most major routes

ei.sdraob wrote: »

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@PB said that more data would be open to "abuse" I fail to understand how more transparency can lead to more confusion,

Given that this thread is based on an abuse of data, I think my judgement has some foundation.

if yee lot have nothing to hide then why the worry?

Who are "yee lot"?

if there is nothing wrong with public sector pay as the (ex)publicservants here claim then why all the secrecy in releasing more detailed stats?

I suspect that is aimed at me, as I think I am the most active retired public servant in this forum. So put up or shut up: where have I ever said that there is nothing wrong with public sector pay?

yee lot had no issues benchmarking yourselves up before and got all the data and stats from somewhere :mad:

Again this odd category: "yee lot". Your posts look more like rants than considered discussion. and you still wonder why I think some people here might abuse data.

Japer wrote: »

Rubbish. I do not recall a direct post to me ...and even if you did I cannot read and respond to every post everywhere - I am not on the computer 24/7. And as for " many days ago in this thread" ....this thread is only 6 or 7 hours old.

For once you are corect it was in the other thread, as for you not being online and able to respond you repsonded to messages directly preceeding and directly after it.