Price of the Pint - What would make you go back to the pub ?

syklops · 09-12-2010 02:10PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

bit of a pointless thread,the price cannot be reduced to such low levels,personally with all the alcoholism in this country i thoughtthe price should be raised along with cigs,and why would they give a splash when they can make double the margin on splits,

Utterly pointless post. This business of raising the price of things to stop addicts from getting their fix is utter sh1te and all it does is worsen the situation for the addict's family. This is the same for smokers as well as alcoholics.

Add a Euro to the price of drink and all you're doing is taking food out of the mouth of the alcoholic's family and/or dependants.

And for your information, pints are 3 euro a pint in my uncle's pub. Despite this low price, society still manages to keep on going in his neck of the woods.

Rabidlamb · 09-12-2010 02:17PM

syklops wrote: »

Utterly pointless post. This business of raising the price of things to stop addicts from getting their fix is utter sh1te and all it does is worsen the situation for the addict's family. This is the same for smokers as well as alcoholics.

Add a Euro to the price of drink and all you're doing is taking food out of the mouth of the alcoholic's family and/or dependants.

And for your information, pints are 3 euro a pint in my uncle's pub. Despite this low price, society still manages to keep on going in his neck of the woods.

I agree with you.
Note the person you responded to has been banned a few posts back so don't let them wind you up.
If they stated their views in public we could just roll our eyes & keep on walking.

tvbrat · 09-12-2010 02:20PM

The price of a pint can also depend on where you sit with a group of people

http://www.facebook.com/Pint.Price

syklops · 09-12-2010 02:29PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I agree with you.
Note the person you responded to has been banned a few posts back so don't let them wind you up.
If they stated their views in public we could just roll our eyes & keep on walking.

Her post on the first page enraged me so that I had to respond without reading the full thread.

One of the posters here said(I am paraphrasing) "Why dont pubs have loyalty cards, coffe shops do, why not pubs?".

Oil Can Harry's on Mount Street(in Dublin) do, or used to anyway. Everytime you buy a pint of the black stuff, you got a stamp on a card. 10 stamps and you get a free pint.

The last time I was in there pints were about 3.70-ish, which for Dublin 4 is not bad at all.

jum4 · 09-12-2010 02:39PM

tvbrat wrote: »

The price of a pint can also depend on where you sit with a group of people
http://www.facebook.com/Pint.Price

i dont get it??

Dionysus · 09-12-2010 02:39PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

What would make you go back to the pub ?

1. No television, or at least it being permanently off. The overwhelming number of pubs fail to give this basic respect to their patrons who go to a pub for a conversation with friends.

2. Toilets up to a high standard. A large majority of pubs should be closed down based on the state of their toilets.

thenutflush · 09-12-2010 03:02PM

I think 3.20 would be a decent price. 3 pints or a tenner with some shrapnel left over. But even at that, I'd only go occasionally.

I haven't drank in a pub in over a year because the prices are too high. When I hear 4.60 or 4.80 I just think of handing over a 5 euro note for something which I could get for 1 euro in a supermarket and I grimace.

I know pubs are only earning thin profit on every pint after all costs have been taken into account, but personally, it would take 2.00 euro - 2.50 max pints to get me to go there say 3 times a month, and that's probably quite unrealistic. To get the price of a pint down there needs to be deflation of all costs associated with running a pub ie. the staffs' wages, the number of staff, the rent of a premises, heating and electricity costs along with an acceptance by the publican to lose a small percentage of his personal income.

Taytos and peanuts etc. could be cut from 1.25(in my local) to 1 euro or 80 cent also, because when you're drinking you'd likely feel like eating 2 or 3 bags (let's face it, they are 10 times nicer when you're drinking), but you're likely to only eat 1 when they cost 1.25 (or more) because it's quite extortionate. They do buy the crisps in bulk after all, so I'd guess they only pay 30 cent - 50 cent for a bag. So there's a slight edge to be made there by cutting the price of salty snacks, I would imagine.
ie. instead of taking in (1 x 1.25= 1.25) they take in (2 x 1.00 = 2.00) or maybe (3 x 0.90 = 2.70).

AnonoBoy · 09-12-2010 03:37PM

tvbrat wrote: »

The price of a pint can also depend on where you sit with a group of people
http://www.facebook.com/Pint.Price

All that chart shows is that if you are drinking with more people a round will cost more because you're buying more drinks.

fontanalis · 09-12-2010 03:56PM

Does anyone know at what point the prices went ott? Even though prices got expensive wages did go up.

bog master · 09-12-2010 03:59PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

no pints over 3 euro would be a good start as far as i know a keg is still less then 150euro(open to correction) if i was to go and try and get one so im sure they get it in bulk for cheaper.

a keg has around 100 pints in it so a 300% mark up is ridicolous

is the alcohol tax a fixed amount or is it a percentage? if its a fixed amount it changes things a bit but not by much

A bit off the mark here. I used to do accounts for a pub, tho these prices are from last May.

50L keg of Guinness cost is €131.66 NET of VAT
Approx 90 pints per keg, one pint= €1.46 NET of VAT

At my rural local, pint is €3.60
LESS VAT € .62
Publican's take €2.98

Selling price ex VAT €2.98
Buy from Diageo ex VAT €1.46
Profit from Pint €1.52

thebigbiffo · 09-12-2010 04:09PM

bog master wrote: »

A bit off the mark here. I used to do accounts for a pub, tho these prices are from last May.

50L keg of Guinness cost is €131.66 NET of VAT
Approx 90 pints per keg, one pint= €1.46 NET of VAT

At my rural local, pint is €3.60
LESS VAT € .62
Publican's take €2.98

Selling price ex VAT €2.98
Buy from Diageo ex VAT €1.46
Profit from Pint €1.52

lets say you've 50 in your small local pub on a Sat night then and they each drink an average of 7 pints each - that's €511 profit. when you've to pay for heating, electricity, insurance etc it doesn't really make you think they're on a goldmine.

El Weirdo · 09-12-2010 04:15PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

lets say you've 50 in your small local pub on a Sat night then and they each drink an average of 7 pints each - that's €511 profit. when you've to pay for heating, electricity, insurance etc it doesn't really make you think they're on a goldmine.

And to be fair, I think you've been quite generous regarding the number of customers and the number of pints. That would be a pretty good Saturday night in my local. And then you have the rest of the week when you'd maybe have 10 people in having one or two pints.

suicide_circus · 09-12-2010 04:22PM

So if publicans dropped their price of a pint, they lose profit. Well tough sh!t, not every business can automatically be a license to print money. They are not providing a highly skilled service and in most cases they seem to be providing a poor service. If you see small pubs and cafes in germany, france etc, their owners turn a modest profite - enough to keep their family and business going and that is good enough. ****ing greedridden irish publicans expecting to become millionaires by serving mouldy pints in piss stained shacks. Get real!

enda1 · 09-12-2010 04:25PM

fontanalis wrote: »

Does anyone know at what point the prices went ott? Even though prices got expensive wages did go up.

The price never went over the top. In fact I think they've gotten relatively cheaper.

Its just that alcohol in off-licenses has gotten so much cheaper and pubs have not adapted to the changing market quickly enough.

Minstrel27 · 09-12-2010 04:25PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

are you people mad,it wouldnt do any harm,if most people thought it was ok ?what about the people that dont think it's ok ?what about the staff?what about the law ?Just give up it's way better for your health and will save you a small fortune,the moaners are just the people who dont have the willpower to give up

People like you that preach to people. You actually do no good at all. You wont convince anyone to do anything.

I don't smoke btw.

enda1 · 09-12-2010 04:28PM

Profit!=mark-up

Think it needs to be stated just to make it clear that just cause there is a mark-up of let's say €2, this does not equal a profit of €2.

Profit will be much smaller, after you take all the costs involved out of the mark-up.

bog master · 09-12-2010 04:29PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

no pints over 3 euro would be a good start as far as i know a keg is still less then 150euro(open to correction) if i was to go and try and get one so im sure they get it in bulk for cheaper.

a keg has around 100 pints in it so a 300% mark up is ridicolous

is the alcohol tax a fixed amount or is it a percentage? if its a fixed amount it changes things a bit but not by much

also free soft drinks for designated drivers would get me back also, i have no problem being in a pub and not drinking if im with my mates but only if i have something else to drink and not a chance im spending 4 euro on a coke or whatever

the 'traditional' business's in this country are a joke i wouldnt be suprised if all the pub /club owners in the cities got together and did some illegal cartelling every year

thebigbiffo wrote: »

bog master wrote: »

lets say you've 50 in your small local pub on a Sat night then and they each drink an average of 7 pints each - that's €511 profit. when you've to pay for heating, electricity, insurance etc it doesn't really make you think they're on a goldmine.

My point exactly!

AnonoBoy · 09-12-2010 04:30PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

People like you that preach to people. You actually do no good at all. You wont convince anyone to do anything.

I don't smoke btw.

They're already banned.

gurramok · 09-12-2010 04:34PM

A better variety of beers wouldn't go astray. I like German/Czech beers and very hard to get familiar names in alot of pubs.

I'm sick of going into pubs and all my choice is just from Bud, Carlsberg, Guinness, Bulmers and maybe Heineken. Out of these I do not drink cider and will plump for Guinness as they have a good quality control team to make sure the pints are good hence higher probability of getting a good pint unlike the other drinks from which I have horrendous stomach problems from before due to bad pints.

Minstrel27 · 09-12-2010 04:34PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They're already banned.

I didn't read the whole thread when I posted that. Apologies.

seamus · 09-12-2010 04:38PM

enda1 wrote: »

Profit!=mark-up

Think it needs to be stated just to make it clear that just cause there is a mark-up of let's say €2, this does not equal a profit of €2.

Profit will be much smaller, after you take all the costs involved out of the mark-up.

I actually think a lot of them need to focus more on providing simple pub food. The likes of sandwiches and chips can come with insanely large profit margins and don't require any particular skills or much overhead to service.

E.g. You'll get 5kg of chips @ wholesale prices for about €2.50. That'll feed ten or twelve people without being scabby and you can charge €2 per portion. Add in the cost of ketchup (€2) and other sundries like the oil and cleaning, and you're making around €15 profit on a bag of chips. You can think about similar figures for simple sandwiches, sausages, etc.

This would give many publicans the scope to lower the price of a pint while making even more money than they did previously.

You only have to look at how the chippers get completely jammed when the pubs close to see what kind of junk food goldmine publicans are missing out on.

123balltv · 09-12-2010 04:38PM

A job it would be nice to find a job and go back to the pub

the off - license in my local nowadays

20goto10 · 09-12-2010 04:47PM

Why should the pub be saved? It hasnothing to offer society in it's current form. And don't give me that baloney that's it's sociable. There's nothing sociable about getting shut faced, talking utter rubbish and waking up with no recollection and €150 less well off. Besides that, they're not even your real friends. They bitch about everyone else when they're not around and they're bitching about you too. You know it's true. Time to get a life.

syklops · 09-12-2010 04:48PM

seamus wrote: »

I actually think a lot of them need to focus more on providing simple pub food. The likes of sandwiches and chips can come with insanely large profit margins and don't require any particular skills or much overhead to service.

E.g. You'll get 5kg of chips @ wholesale prices for about €2.50. That'll feed ten or twelve people without being scabby and you can charge €2 per portion. Add in the cost of ketchup (€2) and other sundries like the oil and cleaning, and you're making around €15 profit on a bag of chips. You can think about similar figures for simple sandwiches, sausages, etc.

This would give many publicans the scope to lower the price of a pint while making even more money than they did previously.

You only have to look at how the chippers get completely jammed when the pubs close to see what kind of junk food goldmine publicans are missing out on.

Couldn't agree more. If instead of adding a euro to a pint after 11 they started selling chips, they could make a small killing. Instead they close the kitchen at 10pm, if they even have a kitchen.

When your drunk and hungry, you always order more food than you actually need. Its practically free money for publicans. It just takes a little bit of work and imagination.

AnonoBoy · 09-12-2010 04:49PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Why should the pub be saved? It hasnothing to offer society in it's current form. And don't give me that baloney that's it's sociable. There's nothing sociable about getting shut faced, talking utter rubbish and waking up with no recollection and €150 less well off. Besides that, they're not even your real friends. They bitch about everyone else when they're not around and they're bitching about you too. You know it's true. Time to get a life.

Whhaaaattt????

But those guys down the local all love me. There's Kev and that lad with the lazy eye, and the barman who smells of onions and the old rugby player who always calls me ArmanoBoy.

seamus · 09-12-2010 04:58PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Why should the pub be saved? It hasnothing to offer society in it's current form. And don't give me that baloney that's it's sociable. There's nothing sociable about getting shut faced, talking utter rubbish and waking up with no recollection and €150 less well off. Besides that, they're not even your real friends. They bitch about everyone else when they're not around and they're bitching about you too. You know it's true. Time to get a life.

You need to drink less and get new friends. If you're getting **** faced in the pub and talking to dickheads...that's your problem.

I go to the pub on many a Thursday night with between 3 and 8 other guys - depending on who's around of course. Some are family, others are friends, others not so much.

We usually have 4 or five pints each, spend the night talking complete and utter nonsense about current events, throwing in the odd slag and joke here and there, then roll home after spending about €25 each.

It's social, it's fun, and totally worth it. It would be a shame to lose it.

ColeTrain · 09-12-2010 04:58PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Why should the pub be saved? It hasnothing to offer society in it's current form. And don't give me that baloney that's it's sociable. There's nothing sociable about getting shut faced, talking utter rubbish and waking up with no recollection and €150 less well off. Besides that, they're not even your real friends. They bitch about everyone else when they're not around and they're bitching about you too. You know it's true. Time to get a life.

Of course it's sociable. The fact you are out talking to people makes it that way. What else do you expect people to do or better yet what do you expect from a night out? Fireworks ?

You're Watching too many films I think. Drink goes hand in hand with talking to people, it's an Irish institution, you're the outsider here

Yeah and btw everyone spends €150 on a night out :rolleyes:

fontanalis · 09-12-2010 05:07PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Why should the pub be saved? It hasnothing to offer society in it's current form. And don't give me that baloney that's it's sociable. There's nothing sociable about getting shut faced, talking utter rubbish and waking up with no recollection and €150 less well off. Besides that, they're not even your real friends. They bitch about everyone else when they're not around and they're bitching about you too. You know it's true. Time to get a life.

You spend 150 on a night out, about 20 or 25 drinks!

ColeTrain · 09-12-2010 05:11PM

fontanalis wrote: »

You spend 150 on a night out, about 20 or 25 drinks!

Think that figure might include taxis, nightclub entry and food. Still though, with all that in mind I've never spent close to that on a night out.

20goto10 · 09-12-2010 05:12PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Of course it's sociable. The fact you are out talking to people makes it that way. What else do you expect people to do or better yet what do you expect from a night out? Fireworks ?

You're Watching too many films I think. Drink goes hand in hand with talking to people, it's an Irish institution, you're the outsider here

Yeah and btw everyone spends €150 on a night out :rolleyes:

You could take out the over priced alcohol and still do everything you mentioned above. The problem is it's the only thing Irish people know. Well that is until recent years when people have started doing other things. Pubs have nothing to offer. You can do so much more calling over to a mates. Watch a movie, play poker, xbox/ps3. You can have a cigarette and listen to your own taste in music and at a comfortable volume. You can have a drink if you like but drink becomes part of something else. It's not a drinking occasion, it's a poker game or it's a console session and the fact someone may or may not have a drink as part of it becomes irrelevant.

Price of the Pint - What would make you go back to the pub ?

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