Airsoft on 2fm at the moment

madmaxi · 18-11-2010 12:42AM

Only got to listen to the podcast now, well done to Rob and Richard.

NakedDex · 18-11-2010 12:45AM

Common sense would be to stick to the rules and not aim for the head, for any reason. It's not lethal, but it is dangerous. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a rule on sites, mentioned in the safety briefing or be a bone of contention with most players.
I've never heard anyone brag about it, but I've heard and seen plenty of telling-off sessions by marshals for doing it.

With regard to the other point you made about licensing, doing so is completely impossible. It'd be like trying to licence a Lego model, there are no parts on it that cannot be changed. Cars can be licenced because you can't change the chassis realistically. RS firearms are the same deal, there are parts that cannot be changed. Airsoft devices don't have a single part that cannot be changed or modified, which makes serialising an individual device impossible.
For example, I have an M4 here that's a bit of an experimental rifle. I try various parts and mods on it as I make/buy them. The only remaining original part is the sling mount.

Oh, and as for the UKARA being brought up, well, I'm not going to enter into the reasons why that's the worst idea ever to grace the sport, but I will say I'm not in the least bit surprised who brought it up.

hoplite · 18-11-2010 12:46AM

segairsoft wrote: »

How many times have you faced an opposing team member who's dug into a good position and your only option is a head shot?
I honestly don't see what the big problem with them is, they are part of the game, if you don't like them get a helmet and a full face mask.
I wear ESS goggles and take hits to my face, a little nip, maybe sorer in the colder weather but far from dangerous or lethal. Common sense people.

Off topic
Do you see much value derailing this thread to defend a remark you made about headshots that was somewhat ill considered?

On topic
Thanks to the guys that made a positive contribution on the show today. Particularly Richard the presenter's transparent attempts to try and stir up hysteria were amusing and annoying. His disappointment that the public were not rising to his bait by txt or by phone was the only highlight for me.

evilrobotshane · 18-11-2010 10:51AM

NakedDex wrote: »

Oh, and as for the UKARA being brought up, well, I'm not going to enter into the reasons why that's the worst idea ever to grace the sport, but I will say I'm not in the least bit surprised who brought it up.

It'll take a lot more than this to get me to voluntarily listen to talk radio, so if you wouldn't mind filling me in - is it Mr. Hotguns?

Stercus Accidit · 18-11-2010 10:55AM

The grinch who tried to steal airsoft.

TheDoc · 18-11-2010 12:19PM

I dont think it was the Derek we think it is, atleast I didnt think so when I listened to the show.

Is it?

Shiva · 18-11-2010 12:22PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I dont think it was the Derek we think it is, atleast I didnt think so when I listened to the show.

Is it?

No, it was a different Derek.

NakedDex · 18-11-2010 01:03PM

Inference retracted then. I heard a Derek talking about UKARA and my brain immediately made the connection on my behalf.

Inari · 18-11-2010 02:34PM

NakedDex wrote: »

Inference retracted then. I heard a Derek talking about UKARA and my brain immediately made the connection on my behalf.

I think most people's did. I dropped the connotations when he said "I'm not a retailer..."

3102derek · 18-11-2010 03:39PM

was'nt me :cool:

davidd24 · 19-11-2010 09:25AM

Shiva wrote: »

No, it was a different Derek.

I also know this *AUDIE MURPHY texted me and told me he was on.
This guy was the last person that should of come on to represent our sport.
Ive played Airsoft for nearly 2 years now and would never even think of going on these shows.
These shows only take on topics and issues that they know will get the most listeners and the most reaction too.
After Biohazard was on it only compunded the fact that we need people like him to speak for us and no one else!

McGilla · 19-11-2010 11:45AM

davidd24 wrote: »

I also know this clown AUDIE MURPHY texted me and told me he was on.
This guy was the last person that should of come on to represent our sport.

The whole point of talk radio and other such Media is for people to have the freedom to express their opinion.
Here, I’m noticing people being very critical of guys that did speak on the radio. And its almost like a very sad little Witch hunt!

Well if you think their opinions and views reflect badly on the sport, man up and get involved in the conversation, instead of running straight to your keyboard for a good moan!

I think some of the speakers came off very well, and some not so well, but I make the consideration, that none of the speakers were claiming to represent all airsofters in general.

You are a part of the Airsoft community, you didn't create the damn sport!

- Just another example of the Airsoft "Elite" having a cut at people.

If you didn’t step forward to represent your opinion, your criticisms mean Sweet F A!

It’s a typical Irish behaviour pattern, to not step out of our comfort zone, but happily pick on those who tried!

(And to point out most people text the show and the shows then call and ask you to go on air!)

TheDoc · 19-11-2010 11:55AM

McGilla wrote: »

The whole point of talk radio and other such Media is for people to have the freedom to express their opinion.
Here, I’m noticing people being very critical of guys that did speak on the radio. And its almost like a very sad little Witch hunt!

Well if you think their opinions and views reflect badly on the sport, man up and get involved in the conversation, instead of running straight to your keyboard for a good moan!

I think some of the speakers came off very well, and some not so well, but I make the consideration, that none of the speakers were claiming to represent all airsofters in general.

You are a part of the Airsoft community, you didn't create the damn sport!

- Just another example of the Airsoft "Elite" having a cut at people.

If you didn’t step forward to represent your opinion, your criticisms mean Sweet F A!

It’s a typical Irish behaviour pattern, to not step out of our comfort zone, but happily pick on those who tried!

(And to point out most people text the show and the shows then call and ask you to go on air!)

What are you ****ing ****ing about.....

Yes opinions matters, but most of us are aware that without proper preperation, you get torn assunder.

There is no doubting that some of the callers yesterday didnt do themselves or the sport any favours. Its nothing to do with stepping up to the plate, sometimes it takes a bit more metal to sit back and realise YOU CANT HELP. Instead of being bravado and making a fool of yourself and the sport.

And **** off with the elite ****e, I'm sick of ****heads in here bantering that phrase around for laughs. And there is also this interpretation of being a keyboard warrior. People need to get an understanding of wha tthose terms are and when to use them.

My opinion does mean somthing, but I wouldnt have called the show, because I wasnt prepared. Imagine how better that could have been if only Oz and Richard rang in, the show wouldnt have had any impact, and just been a positive marketing for airsoft.

Instead people went on unprepared, unexperienced and made silly comments and made things worse. It is not a dig at them, your missing the point . If you havnt got experience ringing in , and being rpepared, in any media avenue, then your going to get dominated.

The points were raised about how some very inappropriate things were said in "defence" of airsoft and some very incorrect information. So, yes, they are representing airsoft, obviously.

When they ring a national debate show, and are on the defence of the debate, then yeah, to the listener, they are speaking for airsofters in general.

I swear to god the mods here need to ban the word elitist and keyboard warrior or any related term cause too many dopes here have no idea what they mean or when to use the phrase.

davidd24 · 19-11-2010 11:57AM

@Mc Gilla,
You should get over yourself mate.
I personally know this fella and i am entitled to my opinion of what went on.
Like ive said ive been involved in Airsoft for two years(actually more i think)and i definitely dont like to think of myself as a keyboard warrior.
I would love to get involved more with representing the sport but honestly dont know where to start!
I dont class myself as part of the airsoft elite and would gladly speak my mind if given the chance about the sport.
I couldnt ring in as i was in work and im trying to keep that at the moment.
My point was some people need to just step back from their emotions and maybe say to themselves "im not going to rise to this" because thats what the aim of these shows are for.
With "the Right" people calling in and giving these shows no ammo we dont get a bad name.

davidd24 · 19-11-2010 11:59AM

TheDoc wrote: »

What are you ****ing ****ing about.....

Yes opinions matters, but most of us are aware that without proper preperation, you get torn assunder.

There is no doubting that some of the callers yesterday didnt do themselves or the sport any favours. Its nothing to do with stepping up to the plate, sometimes it takes a bit more metal to sit back and realise YOU CANT HELP. Instead of being bravado and making a fool of yourself and the sport.

And **** off with the elite ****e, I'm sick of ****heads in here bantering that phrase around for laughs. And there is also this interpretation of being a keyboard warrior. People need to get an understanding of wha tthose terms are and when to use them.

My opinion does mean somthing, but I wouldnt have called the show, because I wasnt prepared. Imagine how better that could have been if only Oz and Richard rang in, the show wouldnt have had any impact, and just been a positive marketing for airsoft.

Instead people went on unprepared, unexperienced and made silly comments and made things worse. It is not a dig at them, your missing the point . If you havnt got experience ringing in , and being rpepared, in any media avenue, then your going to get dominated.

The points were raised about how some very inappropriate things were said in "defence" of airsoft and some very incorrect information. So, yes, they are representing airsoft, obviously.

When they ring a national debate show, and are on the defence of the debate, then yeah, to the listener, they are speaking for airsofters in general.

I swear to god the mods here need to ban the word elitist and keyboard warrior or any related term cause too many dopes here have no idea what they mean or when to use the phrase.

HERE HERE!

Lemming · 19-11-2010 12:00PM

McGilla wrote: »

The whole point of talk radio and other such Media is for people to have the freedom to express their opinion.
Here, I’m noticing people being very critical of guys that did speak on the radio. And its almost like a very sad little Witch hunt!

Sorry, the point of talk radio is ratings.

That minor little elephant aside, most talk shows in Ireland go for the 'shock-jock' school of ratings by simply stirring the proverbial pot. If you believe anything different, you are naievely mistaken.

Some of those who called in really did not do the Irish airsoft community any favours, and there were several comments that left the community wide open to attack by anybody astute enough to notice (of which the media in general is well populated) with half an interest in doing so. I noticed the comments as soon as they were made - and some of them were benign throw-away comments that people ordinarily wouldn't think about. If I noticed them, you can bet your @rse the media folks did too.

Someone made the point, and it needs reinforced, that folks really need to think twice before picking up that phone for these shows. Unless you have your material to hand and you know your sh*t inside and out, backwards to front and have thought about angles that the media will come at you with, then for the love of monkies, do not call. You'll likely be torn asunder.

Inari · 19-11-2010 12:10PM

@McGilla: I'm sorry, but your information is not correct.

Firstly, the radio & other media do NOT exist for the freedom to express anyones opinions, or anything even remotely similar. Media Companies', such as RTE, only goal & purpose is to survive. How they survive is down to them. For the majority they survive by generating advertising revenue - they get more money by getting more listeners, and how do you get more listeners? Contraversy. If you get people annoyed, they get involved. Common & cheap tactic. The media cannot survive if its sole purpose is freedom - too many people will be offended, not enjoy the broadcast, and tune out...it then naturally fades out and dies. Media organisations are structured to survive - that's why they 'Balance' all discussions. They virtually never let anything be Pro-something, with no con...too much backlash, not enough appeal to all listeners.

Secondly, when you talk about airsoft to anyone, you ARE representing the activity. I'm not sure how you think otherwise? People are going to base their opinions on what you say about Airsoft; this makes you a representative. Not only that, but by calling into a radio show you are choosing this role - this should only be done by those who have the skills to do so in order to ensure there is not a hate-brigade on airsoft.

The point about opinions meaning nothing if you didn't call in is null & void. The point you're trying to make is "If you failed to act, then your opinion is void" but the thing is people did act. People were contacting BioHazard from the IAA to get involved etc. Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from...but I'd sooner say that what you've said there is more akin to Irish behavioural patterns - you're projecting images of yourself onto those who called in, and casting the community as a Lynch mob.

The fact of the matter is, Airsoft is a niche activity - this kind of press and publicity can be catastrophic for it. A few wrong words can get a lot of peoples backs up, and it takes much more work to rectify. It is a precarious position, and takes a tactical approach. The IAA have worked with the Department of Justice, and slaved to eliminate things like two-toning etc - but then one person brings up how the UKARA is great idea (it's not), and it has the potential to snowball. It's not a witch hunt - people throw themselves to the lions, and mercy of Captain Hindsight (thank you South Park) by calling in. Tis the way

Stercus Accidit · 19-11-2010 12:52PM

TheDoc wrote: »

... Its nothing to do with stepping up to the plate, sometimes it takes a bit more metal to sit back and realise YOU CANT HELP. Instead of being bravado and making a fool of yourself and the sport.
...

Thats a big part of it, its the fragile ego's bandying the term elite around as though they are salt of the earth airsofters, victims of the arrogant elite who want all the radio glory to themselves.

Theres no glory in making an ass of the sport, the best people to speak for the sport are the ones who don't see it as an ego boost at all, rather a very serious responsibility.

Sure wouldn't I love to go on the radio and argue the odds with the detractors and be the big man, but if I were to bollocks it up, everyone suffers. The responsibility to deal with the media is with the IAA, ours is to choose the best representatives we can and not screw things up.

davidd24 · 19-11-2010 02:02PM

thermo wrote: »

banned for insulting post. please keep it civil on the forum guys

Ive spoken to the mod,and i formally retract my statement.
I know this guy very well and should not of brought any sort of insulting messages to the Board.
I apologise if ive caused any insult to anyone and will edit my post now...

Thank you to the mod who got back to me so quickly and listened to my side of the story.

I still stand by all of the other points i have made on this thread and i think this just proves a point that i would not be a good spokesperson for Airsoft and that some people are better off keeping their mouths and fingers to themselves

Davey

McGilla · 19-11-2010 02:17PM

@ Doc...what am I on about?
(I'll take all the pseudo swear words if you don’t mind)

I'll explain it a bit clearer then:

In every single sport, industry, and even online forum, there are always going to be people that don't come across well while expressing their opinion. But they are still entitle to express their opinion. It would have been far more beneficial for the inelegant, competent airsoft community members to have contributed positively rather than staying quiet and waiting until they are on a forum THAT ONLY AIRSOFTERS USE

If people wanted to give airsoft a good boost live on the radio, they should have picked up the phone and contributed, rather than going online and female dogging!..I can’t explain it any clearer.

I'll also ask you again DOC, to mind your tone when aiming your post toward me, I don’t appreciate your aggressive tone. Thanks.

I’m actually glad to see the term "Elite" got such a rise out of posters here, maybe that should say something to those that felt affected by it.
(but that is a different topic)

Returning to the debate, I would hardly call RTE a controversial broadcaster, I do feel the host was coming from a suspicious angle, but that is his job, here were so many opportunities to turn his opinion, he said several times "I’ve tried paintball and thoroughly enjoyed it" - there an opening if ever I saw one.

The guys that did go on and came across well did very well and well done to you.

-You represented yourselves very well, but at no point was anybody speaking for me, because I didn’t take part in the debate.

That is my point that when you are on the radio you are not representing the sport, or all players, you are just people with their own ideas and opinions. And if you wanted your opinion to be heard you had your chance.

And as for preparation to talk to Colm Hayes, he's not Trevor Mc Donald, it’s a light hearted chat show, calm down.

Lemming · 19-11-2010 03:21PM

McGilla wrote: »

@ Doc...what am I on about?
(I'll take all the pseudo swear words if you don’t mind)

I'll explain it a bit clearer then:

In every single sport, industry, and even online forum, there are always going to be people that don't come across well while expressing their opinion. But they are still entitle to express their opinion. It would have been far more beneficial for the inelegant, competent airsoft community members to have contributed positively rather than staying quiet and waiting until they are on a forum THAT ONLY AIRSOFTERS USE

Sorry, but you keep failing to grasp one simple ( and I will use swear words) f*cking fact: national talk radio is not you expressing your personal opinion when talking as a member of a particular community. It means you become a spokesperson. You are representative of the people found within that community.

Do. You. Get. It?

It has nothing to do with crowing on about freedom of speech and entitlement to give ones opinion or to pinch one off. It's about exercising common sense and recognising these shows for what they are and how they go about it. They couldn't give two flying f*cks about a roll of sh*t coming out of a monkey's arse as to what your opinion is or whether or not you are entitled to give it. They want ratings. They want you to slip up so they can twist words for sensationalist gain.

Do. You. Get. It. Yet?

If people wanted to give airsoft a good boost live on the radio, they should have picked up the phone and contributed, rather than going online and female dogging!..I can’t explain it any clearer.

Except for one simple. f*cking. fact: Talk Radio IS NOT the internet. It is entirely a different beast that plays to very different - and often very dirty - rules.

Returning to the debate, I would hardly call RTE a controversial broadcaster, I do feel the host was coming from a suspicious angle, but that is his job, here were so many opportunities to turn his opinion, he said several times "I’ve tried paintball and thoroughly enjoyed it" - there an opening if ever I saw one.

Bull. Fc*king. Sh1t. Of the highest level of naievety.

First things first; RTE are a biased broadcaster; particularly in matters of anything political. Always have been, always will be. Not on a level with Fox/BSkyB News, but nonetheless they have political leanings which are consistently followed.

Now, as for the talk show host; he kept trying to use the quote you used as if to make it out that he's really impartial and "everybody's buddy". He was in his sh*te either. He constantly kept trying to steer the conversation towards the controversial; constantly asking every other sentence if someone was talking about airsoft, and not real guns for example.

You represented yourselves very well, but at no point was anybody speaking for me, because I didn’t take part in the debate.

That is my point that when you are on the radio you are not representing the sport, or all players, you are just people with their own ideas and opinions. And if you wanted your opinion to be heard you had your chance.

Do you vote? Because regardless, the government speaks on your behalf even when you disagree with them. Same applies here. Everyone who goes onto a talk show and identifies a the member of a community IS a spokesperson for said community, whether you agree with it or not. To think otherwise is to be foolishly naieve and on the verge of moronic, idle stupidity McGilla, and I don't know how much clearer I can make this as I've said it several times already, as have a few others.

Inari · 19-11-2010 03:21PM

Not particularly a topic for here, but RTE are very contraversial - more than you'd think. Appearances can be very deceptive. They operate as a private network, yet use public money. I'll stop there because it's REALLY off topic.

I do see your point, that we (who were on the thread and listening live) had the chance to call in, however most of the people here chose to abdicate in favour of getting a proper representative, ala IAA. However I would stipulate that failing to act is not limited to not calling in - in fact, I would say that the choice of abstaining from calling in WAS our act, for we did not believe we were A) Prepared enough or

Right for the job at hand. So rather than throw caution to the wind, we decided to play a little more tactically. It was not a failure to act - it was an act of restraint; the two are world's apart.

senordingdong · 19-11-2010 03:29PM

TheDoc wrote: »

What are you ****ing ****ing about.....

Yes opinions matters, but most of us are aware that without proper preperation, you get torn assunder.

There is no doubting that some of the callers yesterday didnt do themselves or the sport any favours. Its nothing to do with stepping up to the plate, sometimes it takes a bit more metal to sit back and realise YOU CANT HELP. Instead of being bravado and making a fool of yourself and the sport.

And **** off with the elite ****e, I'm sick of ****heads in here bantering that phrase around for laughs. And there is also this interpretation of being a keyboard warrior. People need to get an understanding of wha tthose terms are and when to use them.

My opinion does mean somthing, but I wouldnt have called the show, because I wasnt prepared. Imagine how better that could have been if only Oz and Richard rang in, the show wouldnt have had any impact, and just been a positive marketing for airsoft.

Instead people went on unprepared, unexperienced and made silly comments and made things worse. It is not a dig at them, your missing the point . If you havnt got experience ringing in , and being rpepared, in any media avenue, then your going to get dominated.

The points were raised about how some very inappropriate things were said in "defence" of airsoft and some very incorrect information. So, yes, they are representing airsoft, obviously.

When they ring a national debate show, and are on the defence of the debate, then yeah, to the listener, they are speaking for airsofters in general.

I swear to god the mods here need to ban the word elitist and keyboard warrior or any related term cause too many dopes here have no idea what they mean or when to use the phrase.

Elitist dope.

thermo · 19-11-2010 03:29PM

please keep it civil guys

thermo · 19-11-2010 03:46PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Elitist dope.

you have been warned, take a weeks holiday to cool off. any more abuse on this thread will not be tolerated.

TheDoc · 19-11-2010 04:04PM

thermo wrote: »

you have been warned, take a weeks holiday to cool off. any more abuse on this thread will not be tolerated.

In fairness to Dingdong, hes a close friend of mine and it was an attempt at sarcasm I would imagine.

I take no offense to his comment because I know it was in jest, if that could possibly remove his ban I'd be greatly appreciative.

Doc.

McGilla · 19-11-2010 04:09PM

Lemming wrote: »

Sorry, but you keep failing to grasp one simple ( and I will use swear words) f*cking fact:

Please mind your damn manners! I have not attacked you nor will I.

Lemming wrote: »

national talk radio is not you expressing your personal opinion when talking as a member of a particular community. It means you become a spokesperson. You are representative of the people found within that community.

I disagree, and see it differently, I listened to the show, and I play airsoft but at no point was anybody on that show representing me. they expressed some views that I agree with and disagree with, but no one was representing me...DO YOU GET IT?

Lemming wrote: »

It has nothing to do with crowing on about freedom of speech and entitlement to give ones opinion

- Yes it does

Lemming wrote: »

It's about exercising common sense and recognising these shows for what they are and how they go about it. They couldn't give two flying f*cks about a roll of sh*t coming out of a monkey's arse as to what your opinion is or whether or not you are entitled to give it. They want ratings. They want you to slip up so they can twist words for sensationalist gain.

- In your opinion. And yes I get this also! - I just don't completely agree.

Lemming wrote: »

Do. You. Get. It. Yet?

- YES Thanks

Lemming wrote: »

Except for one simple. f*cking. fact: Talk Radio IS NOT the internet. It is entirely a different beast that plays to very different - and often very dirty - rules. -

This is very Rage Against The Machine...

Lemming wrote: »

Bull. Fc*king. Sh1t. Of the highest level of naivety.

- it is naivety on your part to presume you know more about something than a person you do not know, and also to presume you are correct.

Lemming wrote: »

First things first; RTE are a biased broadcaster; particularly in matters of anything political. Always have been, always will be. Not on a level with Fox/BSkyB News, but nonetheless they have political leanings which are consistently followed.

- I don’t have any affiliations with RTE so his point doesn't really concern me![

Lemming wrote: »

Now, as for the talk show host; he kept trying to use the quote you used as if to make it out that he's really impartial and "everybody's buddy". He was in his sh*te either. He constantly kept trying to steer the conversation towards the controversial; constantly asking every other sentence if someone was talking about airsoft, and not real guns for example.

- i couldn't care less...it's his Job, but people here hadn’t the balls to call in and challenge him, so your opinion matters not!

Lemming wrote: »

Do you vote?

None yo business!

Lemming wrote: »

Because regardless, the government speaks on your behalf even when you disagree with them.

- I understand democracy thanks, but you don seem to as not one of the people on that show had my vote, or any majority vote from the community.

Lemming wrote: »

Same applies here.

- Wrong!!!

Lemming wrote: »

Everyone who goes onto a talk show and identifies a the member of a community IS a spokesperson for said community, whether you agree with it or not.

- Wrong!!!

Lemming wrote: »

To think otherwise is to be foolishly naive and on the verge of moronic, idle stupidity McGilla, and I don't know how much clearer I can make this as I've said it several times already, as have a few others.

Just condescending dribble, needs no reply!

Leftyflip · 19-11-2010 04:16PM

McGilla wrote: »

Just condescending dribble, needs no reply!

Yet you did, fail!

What's with all the handbags at dawn crap though?
What happened to the original topic, or is this it?

McGilla · 19-11-2010 04:23PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Yet you did, fail!

Fair enough! Just to lighten the mood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6HQL8orL4

jeawan · 19-11-2010 04:24PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Yet you did, fail!

What's with all the handbags at dawn crap though?
What happened to the original topic, or is this it?

Kinda went off topic along time ago and since i started the thread i'll ask it too be locked as it is just turned into you said this bla bla bla bull kinda pointless.

I would say this though all radios/tv shows are there one for thing to make money for the station they are broadcasting for so causing trouble by making something look really bad is good business for them no matter what it is . the fact is we have two lads that talks allot of sense compared to the other lads talking about shooting people in the head and so on.

Airsoft on 2fm at the moment

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