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TUF 12: "Team GSP vs. Team Koscheck" Thread *Spoilers*

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  • #242
    JJayoo
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    I think GSP had a good plan in theory, but the constant take down attempts seemed to completely gas cody. I wonder would he have gassed if he had stayed standing and trading with Nam?


  • #243
    sonic.trip
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    I liked that cody bloke, pity he gassed in round 2. I don't think nam will make it to the finals though. Also, never liked the other chap on Koschecks team so glad the got choked out :D

    Team koscheck are such dicks when they win, shouting like spanners every time. oh yeah and I'll say this AGAIN, koscheck is the biggest knob in the world, can;t wait for GSP to knock him out in round 1 :o


  • #244
    jayteecork
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    GSP plan has holes because he should know Cody's cardio by now. IF GSP's plan was to keep him on the cage for 2 rounds then he should have known Cody didn't have the gas.

    Also, GSP giving advice on dating Arianny Celeste, class.

    http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Georges-St-Pierre-gives-a-short-dating-advice

    By the way anyone seen Arianny's playboy pics? I can upload them on request.


  • #245
    TechnoPool
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    jayteecork wrote: »
    GSP plan has holes because he should know Cody's cardio by now. IF GSP's plan was to keep him on the cage for 2 rounds then he should have known Cody didn't have the gas.

    Also, GSP giving advice on dating Arianny Celeste, class.

    http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Georges-St-Pierre-gives-a-short-dating-advice

    By the way anyone seen Arianny's playboy pics? I can upload them on request.

    sure ill have a look at them had forgotten haha


  • #246
    sonic.trip
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    TechnoPool wrote: »
    sure ill have a look at them had forgotten haha

    wouldn't say no jaytee,

    forgot about that myself. they sure did plug it enough on the last UFC :D

    that video is gas, GSP is the man!!


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  • #247
    jayteecork
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    Better get the all clear from a mod before I post here, otherwise I'll pm.


  • #248
    Ian Whelan
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    Has anybody seen this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6P0k_XCGM

    No gloves. It seems that Leeroy is no stranger to a good scrap.


  • #249
    dunkamania
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    Its not that GSP's plan had holes in it, he was coaching a far inferior fighter, against a well rounded opponent, and gave him the strategy that would most likely lead to victory. Cody beating Nam was very unlikely given that everyone is aware of the mckenzietine by now. Still he did alot better than expected.


    With regards to the Arianny playboy pictorials, they are copyrighted materials, and as such will be deleted (plus infractions) if posted. The last thing I need is a call from DW


    “What kind of scumbag are you?” White asked angrily, before opening fire with a series of insults punctuated by his trademark f-bombs. He then closed up the conversation by saying, “I’m going to f*ck you up worse than you’ve ever been f*cked before,” and hung up.


  • #250
    jayteecork
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    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    Has anybody seen this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6P0k_XCGM

    No gloves. It seems that Leeroy is no stranger to a good scrap.

    Anyone know if there's fights like that in the Cork area?!!:)
    would love to attend them.


  • #251
    Jayo_M
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    jayteecork wrote: »
    Anyone know if there's fights like that in the Cork area?!!:)
    would love to attend them.

    Stand outside Hillbilly's any night of the week :P


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  • #252
    TechnoPool
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    jayteecork wrote: »
    Anyone know if there's fights like that in the Cork area?!!:)
    would love to attend them.


    ask the nackers


  • #253
    jayteecork
    Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    TechnoPool wrote: »
    ask the nackers

    Something like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDrd4TyXOG4&has_verified=1


  • #254
    ormondprop
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    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    Has anybody seen this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6P0k_XCGM

    No gloves. It seems that Leeroy is no stranger to a good scrap.
    shows a bit of toughness i didnt think bruce lee roy had, still hope he gets beaten though for being so annoying


  • #255
    Kent Brockman
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    Kent Brockman wrote: »

    Saw some of Bruce Leroys back-yard fights and he seems fearless and can take a beating so don't think Johnson will be able to intimidate him. Could pull off a triangle after taking a bit of gnp.
    :D
    :rolleyes:we'll see


  • #256
    cardio,shoot me
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    Kent Brockman wrote: »
    :rolleyes:we'll see
    i think johnson might be a bit more intimidating than some back yard brawlers :)


  • #257
    dunkamania
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    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    Has anybody seen this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6P0k_XCGM

    No gloves. It seems that Leeroy is no stranger to a good scrap.

    I think i figured out where his back injury originated.


  • #258
    [Deleted User]
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    cardio,shoot me wrote: »
    i think johnson might be a bit more intimidating than some back yard brawlers :)

    Yeah Leeroy just thinks he's a badass. That's his problem. I think he could cause some problems to Johnson but Johnson has the upperhand in the technique aspect.


  • #259
    Kent Brockman
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    Enjoyed that episode, Spoilers below*****


    English needs to work on his ground game, was neutralised very early.

    The other fight was entertaining and Johnsons superior strength and wrestling were the difference.Take downs won it for him.
    Kos as ever was a knob! (can you imagine if he actually beats GSP:eek: we'll never hear the end of it).

    Its obvious who they want in the final, wonder if it will work out as planned?


  • #260
    scudzilla
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    Am i remembering correctly? At the start of the season in the trailers didn't we see a housemate get KO'd???


  • #261
    scudzilla
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    And i don't think we've seen the end of Wilkinson, he's sure gonna be given a contract, if only to have another British fighter filling the under card on the sub standard events that seem to be a regular occurence over here now


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  • #262
    TechnoPool
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    scudzilla wrote: »
    Am i remembering correctly? At the start of the season in the trailers didn't we see a housemate get KO'd???


    indeed the blode chap who corned leeroy punches someone


  • #263
    Tones69
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    scudzilla wrote: »
    And i don't think we've seen the end of Wilkinson, he's sure gonna be given a contract, if only to have another British fighter filling the under card on the sub standard events that seem to be a regular occurence over here now

    Dont know if theyl give him a contract after that second performance after getting back into the house but ya never know, we'l see :) hard to compete with the americans in terms of ground control etc


  • #264
    backrow67n8
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    Enjoyed that episode, Johnson vs Caceres was really entertaining and was nice to see them earn each others respect in that fight.

    Without wanting to give too much away (anyone who didnt watch the episode yet) I have a question as an MMA newbie. One of the coach was shouting at 1 of the fighters not to tap when he was caught in a choke, to me that seems a bit dangerous, or am I just overreacting?

    I cringe everytime I hear words come out of Koschecks mouth, I really hope GSP beats him and beats him good when they fight!!!


  • #265
    scudzilla
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    backrow67n8 wrote: »
    Enjoyed that episode, Johnson vs Caceres was really entertaining and was nice to see them earn each others respect in that fight.

    Without wanting to give too much away (anyone who didnt watch the episode yet) I have a question as an MMA newbie. One of the coach was shouting at 1 of the fighters not to tap when he was caught in a choke, to me that seems a bit dangerous, or am I just overreacting?

    I cringe everytime I hear words come out of Koschecks mouth, I really hope GSP beats him and beats him good when they fight!!!

    The coach who was shouting not to tap was Koscheck, the biggest gobshiite this side of Mars so don't read too much into it.


  • #266
    backrow67n8
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    scudzilla wrote: »
    The coach who was shouting not to tap was Koscheck, the biggest gobshiite this side of Mars so don't read too much into it.

    I knew it was Koscheck, so am I right in thinking that shouting at your fighter not to tap is not the done thing and a bit dangerous when their in a choke hold?


  • #267
    jayteecork
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    Was really hoping Leeroy would beat Johnson.

    Last thing this sport needs is another Rashad Evans who just takes his opponent down then does nothing.

    BTW what was with the trailer for next week? Really looked like Brookins was dominating Watson and same for Nam Phan. very bad spoilers if so.

    I think Leeroy will definitely get a fight or two in the UFC. Dana absolutely loves the guy!

    TUF that I have seen fully (1&5) nearly all the lads got a shot at some stage or another, unless you really really pissed off Dana. (and even then you might, the guy that got booted in s05 for not making weight(Gabe Ruediger) just got a 4 fight deal)


  • #268
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    backrow67n8 wrote: »
    I knew it was Koscheck, so am I right in thinking that shouting at your fighter not to tap is not the done thing and a bit dangerous when their in a choke hold?

    Koscheck is so pee'd off with all the jiu jitsu guys choking out his team so he just didn't want him to lose by submission. It's fun to read the thread and everyone has the same opinion of Koscheck even after the unedited video was released about him. The editing is catching you guys out. Kos isn't like that at all he is right to say about Dana catering to GSP. The fight to me wasn't entertaining at all. It was Johnson out striking Caceres and then taking him down when he wanted. Don't like Nam as a person but I think he could take Johnson. Brookins won't be able to use his trademark rear-naked against Watson, I'm sure Watson will be able to negate his Jiu Jitsu but I reckon Brookins will take it.
    People here have to realise Dana is playing the pro wrestling card by using Koscheck as the classic heel and GSP as the babyface. Whereas GSP is being sly and underhand and Koscheck is just having one or two over featured immature moments.
    Great move by GSP bringning Freddy Roach in. That makes John Danahan: Black belts go to him to learn Jiu Jitsu (He thought Joe D'Arce the D'Arce Choke!) . Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: Muay Thai expert, Freddie Roach: Boxing Legend and Greg Jackson: Strategist :pac:

    I too would like to see the clip of the guy being knocked out in the house.


  • #269
    DeVore
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    Koschek is having more than "one or two over featured immature moments"! He's had 1 or 2 every episode at least!

    How is GSP being sly or underhand?! What, by out strategising his opponent at every move? Everyone saw what happened in the meeting for the quarters, the two guys picked each other and GSP said at the very start that he would let fighters pick their fights. Everyone wanted that fight to happen, except Kos who wanted an easier fight for his boy.

    Nam Pham will win against Johnson imho because he is a better striker and if you watch that episode again you will see that Johnson really badly covered up when he was getting hit. He looked like a tortoise at one point. Only today my coach was teaching me not to do that and I'm a beginner! If he does that against Pham, he'll get dissected.

    Leeroy was very good on the bottom, he kept trying to escape and limit damage which was good. If Pham can do the same, he's going to capitalise much better than Leeroy did in the stand up. Johnson has one half of GnP down. But you cant finish a fight by smoothering the guy, he needs a route to victory because his stand up really isnt good enough. He should have ended Leeroy and he didnt. Pham will be much harder to stand with.

    Brookins and Watson will be a great fight. Brookins standup hasnt really been seen yet. Both are good on the ground (Watson was masterful against Wilkinson imho) and the winner of that will probably win the final. In fact, it really should have been the final.

    DeV.


  • #270
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Koschek is having more than "one or two over featured immature moments"! He's had 1 or 2 every episode at least!
    I assume you saw the unedited version of events with the the paramedic? I think Koscheck is being played up into being the bad guy when really he's actually not half as bad as they make him seem.
    DeVore wrote: »
    How is GSP being sly or underhand?! What, by out strategising his opponent at every move? Everyone saw what happened in the meeting for the quarters, the two guys picked each other and GSP said at the very start that he would let fighters pick their fights. Everyone wanted that fight to happen, except Kos who wanted an easier fight for his boy.

    You could call it strategy but the fact is he has Dana in his pocket. GSP effectively took out the weakest link of his team while getting a stronger member through comfortably. Both Nam Pham and Wilkinson would comfortably beat Leeroy so GSP basically fed him to his first pick.
    DeVore wrote: »
    Nam Pham will win against Johnson imho because he is a better striker and if you watch that episode again you will see that Johnson really badly covered up when he was getting hit.
    Johnson will neutralise the striking with his wrestling. Pham may have good BJJ . Johnson's submission defense was being played down by GSP to lure Kos into that fight anyway. Pham's only decent strike is his liver shot and I think Johnson can handle it. I have it as Johnson by decision.
    DeVore wrote: »
    He should have ended Leeroy and he didnt. Pham will be much harder to stand with.

    Leeroy won't going to go down easily to anyone. Most of us have seen his little backyard antics and the smack he got off Johnson (the flying gumshield) would have put most of those other guys out. I have the final as Brookins-Johnson with Brookins winning it. But Watson is so good on the ground nobody can predict his fights. Can't wait for the semi's either way.


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  • #271
    dunkamania
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    DeVore wrote: »

    Brookins and Watson will be a great fight. Brookins standup hasnt really been seen yet. Both are good on the ground (Watson was masterful against Wilkinson imho) and the winner of that will probably win the final. In fact, it really should have been the final.

    DeV.

    DeV,
    I agree with everything you said except the above.
    I was surprised at Watsons lack of G&P, maybe he was concentrating on maintaining position, but he was in danger of being stood up. Against an opponent with better Jiu-Jitsu, he will need to be more aggressive.



    dojojoe,
    If Kos isnt half as bad as he is portrayed on the show, that still makes him a very unpleasant person. The worst thing you could say about GSP is that he gave too much information to Kos about Johnson when they were discussing the quarterfinal matchups. Johnsons submission defence is pretty horrendous, he was lucky that he didn't get triangled numerous times.


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