Pearse Doherty and the NAMA swindle

PatsytheNazi · 02-11-2010 01:08PM

Einhard wrote: »

We spend €0 billion more a year than we raise in taxes. The cuts you outline above will raise a few million. You really believe that reducing the salaries of ministers and TDs is going to go any way towards reducing our massive deficit? Of course you don't and neither do SF. They know that serious cuts across the board are needed, and that everyone will have to take a hit. That's our only realistic option, and as SF representatives generally seem quite intelligent, they're well are of that. But they'd rather play the populist card, claiming that we can get our finances in order without any significant impact on the middle or lower economic classes. It's just not feasible, and any party that pretends otherwise doesn't take the electorate seriously, and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously themselves.

Even if all of those were implemented , it wouldn't come close to closing the gap between what we earn and what we spend. I've nothing against such measures in principle, but to claim that that is all we need is nothing more than a con job. And, after Berie Ahern, I've enough of conmen for the time being.

" The cuts you outline above will raise a few million. "Apologies Einhard, their just a taste of some of the measures the SF are going to implement I cut and pasted from their website http://www.sinnfein.ie/. As you still haven't told us the alternative policy's you support, can you just tell me how FG or whoever has better policy's and why ?

Surely it should be a balance of cuts and levying the super rich, FF cronies, corrupt bankers and the rest of the filthy rich parasites that have destroyed the country. So whose the best for the job and why ?

dlofnep · 02-11-2010 03:23PM

Pearse is a very underrated politician. I expect him to get a seat in the next elections for sure. He is a driving force in the newer faces within Sinn Féin, and will only benefit the party.

ILA · 02-11-2010 03:25PM

A very passionate speech, at least there's someone in the Seanad who is willing to raise the issues and communicate the anger which people feel against this scandal.

problemchimp · 02-11-2010 03:49PM

Einhard wrote: »

The reason SF don't get a greater proportion of the vote is because their stock & trade is populist demagoguery rather than serious policy proposals. They are against everything, but really for nothing- or at least nothing that would make a credible impact on our current budget deficit. I admit, I have an inbuilt bias against SF because of their support for murder in the past, and I don't think they've put that past sufficently behind them. However, were they to come up with viable solutions to our problems, rather than just sniping from the long grass, and appealing to the masses with empty promises and spineless rhetoric, I'd be more than willing to listen to them, and consider their candidatess in the next election. Unfortunately, they offer more of the same FF type politics, based entirely on their own interests in getting elected, rather than on the nation's interest in establishing long term economic stability through strict financial discipline.

You'll vote for a party based on what they're against rather than what they're for? You'll vote for them without reading their manifesto, or reading about their proposals? I'll never understand that kind of attitude. It's part of the reason why we ended up in this mess in the first place.

I can tell you from where I live Sinn Fein have done a hell of a lot more for the locality than all the rest put together. Fact! Maybe the "spineless rhetoric" as you call it is what lazy journalists and state broadcasters spew out in their arse licking capacity as they were all tutored by Terry Prone in the school of spin!

sligopark · 03-11-2010 12:41AM

Mike Strutter wrote: »

Great Speech and spot on

definitely

Mike Strutter wrote: »

Sinn Fein have just got my vote for the next general election

after their surrender following the dragging of the six counties into a 30 year war, convincing thousands into their deaths, killing others and being jailed before those in comfort (and according to Dark Hughes in alliance with british security forces) announced surrender ...

no thanks to the Gerry and Martin Surrender Monkey Show

at least Brian and Bertie, and then Brian have been caught up stupidly in the Gombeen show - the same Gerry and Martin Surrender Monkey Show wouldn't have the IQ or nonce to try and pull us out of the hole - they would decry 'DIG DEEPER - AUSTRALIA AWAITS US! FEEL THE SUN!!'

Mr Benevolent · 03-11-2010 01:59PM

I'd vote Sinn Fein IF they got rid of their old fashioned, utterly pointless idea of reuniting the NI & ROI.

PatsytheNazi · 03-11-2010 02:34PM

Confab wrote: »

I'd vote Sinn Fein IF they got rid of their old fashioned, utterly pointless idea of reuniting the NI & ROI.

You mean you'd only vote SF if the were for the utterly pointless idea of uniting the 26 with 'Great' Britain.

Rebelheart · 04-11-2010 01:30AM

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Like or loath SF this is an excellent speech by Pearse Doherty on the bail out for the landlords. The discomfort of the Minister was reflected in the fact that he tried only one half hearted interruption.

Jesus, Aodh Rua Ó Dónaill himself wouldn't have had as much passion in Cionn tSáile in 1602 (aha heretics; you thought it was in 1601 - change your calendar!

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1. In fairness to Doherty he only brought up NAMA in response to the minister's bringing up of same when he intervened. Some people need to listen to the clip again.

2. I disagree with the implication in Doherty's speech that the 8000 planning applications in Donegal were necessarily more worthy than other plans (leaving aside the indisputable Fianna Fáil-developer links). There is far, far too much one-off housing in this state, if not in the whole country, and anything which goes towards ending this will have my ear.

Doherty was playing politics by bringing up those 8000 applications. I'll be watching his views on one-off housing from now on. Having said that, I've much meas for him after the unquestionable sincerity of that speech. I've never heard him speak before - in fact I've never heard an angry Tir Chónaill accent before. More power to him.

I suspect even the great Peadar, ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis, would have been impressed by it.

PS: Despite my respect for this guy, I am absolutely convinced that the Seanad must be abolished.

mac_iomhair · 04-11-2010 02:50AM

Rebelheart wrote: »

PS: Despite my respect for this guy, I am absolutely convinced that the Seanad must be abolished.

Pearse Doherty would agree with you on that one, he has stated on many occasions that the Seanad is a complete waste of time!

Cuddlesworth · 04-11-2010 01:54PM

If they cleaned up and defined their policy's I'd be of the mind to vote SF. Never thought I would say that.

Pearse Doherty and the NAMA swindle

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