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The toll on the M6

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  • #32
    KevR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    I'd love to see some proof of the 7% fall in traffic. Any traffic counts I have looked at suggest otherwise...

    I think road opponents are using this myth of falling traffic levels to argue against roads. Even if traffic has fallen on some roads, it's not going to keep falling and will grow again in the years ahead so we should build roads to prepare for this.

    There's also the fact that, not long ago, road opponents were using the argument that new roads just attract and generate more traffic; with the new roads eventually becoming full and jammed. Now they're trying to make out that traffic is declining and will do forever.............


  • #33
    Mrs OBumble
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    I like to think of myself not so much as a road-opponent, as an effective-transport-system proponent. Small but subtle difference.

    Any fall in traffic levels is temporary, it'll be back.


  • #34
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    KevR wrote: »
    I'd love to see some proof of the 7% fall in traffic. Any traffic counts I have looked at suggest otherwise...
    I looked at the Planbetter press release on that and it doesn't mention any source for the "traffic counts" and neatly sidesteps the issue that even if the penalty clauses were called in, their €100m figure is for a possible total over the entire length of the PPP contract, based on the levels remaining static at whatever they've assessed them.

    In short, the €100m figure is about as accurate as Stevie Wonder trying to hit double top after 10 pints. Flatten it out over 30 years in the PPP-stylee and you have a yearly bill roughly equivalent to what must be spent in frivolous Judicial reviews, ABP hearings and other methods of fillibuster so beloved of An Taisce, Friends of the Earth, nonono we're the Real Friends of the Earth, Salafia, Boba Fett Sweetman et al.

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  • #35
    KevR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    I don't think it will end up costing €100 million but even if it does cost the taxpayer that amount, we still got top quality infrastructure worth billions for less than €100 million. The taxpayer could never have afforded to pay the full cost of building all of these roads. Some of the PPP roads didn't require a minimum traffic gaurentee from the government which is great. A couple of them did require a gaurentee; they wouldn't have been built without the gaurentee. I'm glad they did get built. The Limerick Tunnel is hugely important for connecting Galway-Limerick-Cork; without it you could spend an hour trying to get across Limerick. The M18 Gort-Crusheen isn't a PPP and is being funded by the exchequer but it will encourage more traffic onto the Galway-Limerick-Cork corridor (including the Limerick Tunnel, so traffic levels will climb a bit closer to the 17,000 target; the M17/M18 and M20 in the years to come will also encourage more travel between our 2nd, 3rd and 4th cities).


  • #36
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    sgthighway wrote: »
    If its a commercial jeep I would imagine the cost of the toll can be put down as and expense by the person who owns the commercial jeep.

    You can't expense tolls.


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  • #37
    Saruman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭Saruman


    testicle wrote: »
    You can't expense tolls.

    Eh what? ok perhaps civil servants can't as it is built in to their mileage rates but a private company which is where most commercial drivers work of course you can claim tolls.

    I do. ;)


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