Public sector Union to resist removal of 'bank time'

gurramok · 29-10-2010 07:54PM #1

FFS. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1029/pay.html

rte wrote:

Lower paid civil servants have said they will resist the removal of bank time - allocated to allow them to cash their pay cheque - despite the fact that most are now paid by electronic transfer.

However, the Civil Public and Services Union said the elimination of bank time would hit lower paid workers disproportionately.

In the 1970s, the Government wanted its employees to move from cash to payment by cheque - partly to avoid robberies by subversives.

They agreed to allow each civil servant 30 minutes 'bank time' per week or fortnight - depending on how they were paid - to go to the bank to cash their cheque.

The entitlement was discontinued for new entrants from 2003 - but still exists for pre-2003 employees.

What world are the public sector unions living in?:mad:

At this time of need, will they ever cop on?:mad::mad:

gandalf · 29-10-2010 08:34PM

Ah the CPSU the Monster Raving Looney Party of the Unions. They are doing themselves no favours at all.

All they are doing with this is making it easier for the Government to get public support to cull numbers in the entry level jobs of the Public Service.

sollar · 29-10-2010 08:35PM

That is pretty ridiculous alright

ardmacha · 29-10-2010 08:42PM

This is a disgrace.

The entitlement was discontinued for new entrants from 2003 - but still exists for pre-2003 employees.

Another cases of the unions catering to older folk.

murphaph · 29-10-2010 08:44PM

The removal of this legacy from the 70's won't actually cost an employee one penny will it? They're not taking money off them, just making them work a FULL WEEK for which they'll have a FULL WEEK's pay deposited directly into their bank accounts.

TBH I'd love to see them being paid in cash again and this free 30 mons off for nothing taken off them, just to sicken the lot of them. Let them then find "bank time" in the week to LODGE money to cover all those direct debits that didn't exist in the 70's either. Pr!cks.

Byron85 · 29-10-2010 08:44PM

Are people actually still being paid by cheque? I thought most transactions, such as wages, were done electronically now.

gurramok · 29-10-2010 08:45PM

ardmacha wrote: »

This is a disgrace.

Another cases of the unions catering to older folk.

From your previous posts on the public service, do you agree that this issue is self defeating for public servants? It gives them a bad public image in the public eye?

PanchoVilla · 29-10-2010 08:47PM

Why is this even an issue? They're taking 30 minutes to do something they no longer need to do. How does this change adversely affect any PS employee? What, they have to work an extra 30 mins a week? PS unions should be banned all together if this is all they have to complain about.

kelle · 29-10-2010 08:49PM

Which PS workers were getting this perk? I never did, even when I got paid by cheque (my mum used to put it in the bank for me!) - that changed approx 1996!

ardmacha · 29-10-2010 08:50PM

From your previous posts on the public service, do you agree that this issue is self defeating for public servants? It gives them a bad public image in the public eye?

Of course.

I'd love to see them being paid in cash again

In 10c pieces, preferably

MarkR · 29-10-2010 09:13PM

And we keep hearing how the Croke Park agreement will lead to public sector workers becoming more flexible. FFS.

20Cent · 29-10-2010 09:24PM

The question that should be asked is "does anyone use this" very much doubt it.
Fixating on small stuff like this can make views more entrenched.
You want me to work by certain rules, then thats what I'll do to the letter, it would be a false economy.

Spudmonkey · 29-10-2010 09:25PM

This is why I hate unions and would never join one. The resist everything purely cause they can.

This proves that they will never change, never change work practices, never give the value for money they promise they will. I hope the government uses this as the clause they need to back out of the CP agreement.

Gumbo · 29-10-2010 09:31PM

murphaph wrote: »

The removal of this legacy from the 70's won't actually cost an employee one penny will it? They're not taking money off them, just making them work a FULL WEEK for which they'll have a FULL WEEK's pay deposited directly into their bank accounts.

TBH I'd love to see them being paid in cash again and this free 30 mons off for nothing taken off them, just to sicken the lot of them. Let them then find "bank time" in the week to LODGE money to cover all those direct debits that didn't exist in the 70's either. Pr!cks.

you would take any chance to try belittle PS workers, wouldnt you :rolleyes:
its not even the PS workers that are saying this here, its the CPSU, not the actual workers, and i think you'll find that there would not be many employees against having it removed. your post is just another pointless PS worker bash :rolleyes:

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Why is this even an issue? They're taking 30 minutes to do something they no longer need to do. How does this change adversely affect any PS employee? What, they have to work an extra 30 mins a week? PS unions should be banned all together if this is all they have to complain about.

its actually 30 mins per fortnight IIRC, but irrelevant because of electronic payment. i think you'll find its not the PS employees leading this outburst, its the actual CPSU themselves.

NinjaTruncs · 29-10-2010 09:37PM

Surely this would have been one of the areas highlighted in the Croke Park agreement? if it wasn't that agreement should be thrown out.

How can the PS ever expect to be seeing as trying to make improvements in their work practices if they won't even give up a 30 minute allowance they don't actually need.

RGS · 29-10-2010 09:38PM

Its a stupid decision but appears to be a reaction to the decision of the Secretary Generals and Assistant Secretary Generals refusal to give up their privilege days as reported on the RTE website site.

Its disgraceful that the top earners, who survived the pay cut in the last budget are refusing to give up their privilege days.

murphaph · 29-10-2010 09:42PM

kceire wrote: »

you would take any chance to try belittle PS workers, wouldnt you :rolleyes:
its not even the PS workers that are saying this here, its the CPSU, not the actual workers, and i think you'll find that there would not be many employees against having it removed. your post is just another pointless PS worker bash :rolleyes:

They belittle themselves without any help from me by pulling sh!t like this!

Their union represents THEM, so please pull the other one. Their union is only doing what they have given them a mandate to do on their behalf, so fcuk the lot of them. :mad:

The CP deal is so obviously nothing more than a joke, when 30 mins banking time for non-existant cheques is fought tooth and nail over. I'll be happy when the IMF eventually get to set the terms.

We are constantly told by the PS fanboys on here that it's all the management's fault that there's no reforms, but clearly the management don't control their union...they do, so the ordinary admins and clerks anr mandating their union to fight for 30 mins that they don't need anymore and haven't needed for many years.

When the money runs out in April I hope they remember this.

mikemac · 29-10-2010 09:44PM

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Surely this would have been one of the areas highlighted in the Croke Park agreement?

It's in the OP's article, it's one of the first things the CP agreement was to tackle and they've set a deadline

gandalf · 29-10-2010 09:47PM

kceire wrote: »

its actually 30 mins per fortnight IIRC, but irrelevant because of electronic payment. i think you'll find its not the PS employees leading this outburst, its the actual CPSU themselves.

It was originally either weekly or fortnightly depending on what frequency they were paid.

Well hopefully the PS employees who are members of the CPSU will make their leadership realise there are battles that need to be fought and those that are at best a waste of time and at worst putting their jobs in danger.

NinjaTruncs · 29-10-2010 09:47PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

It's in the OP's article, it's one of the first things the CP agreement was to tackle and they've set a deadline

I only read the bit the OP quoted, i assumed he had posted all the article.

changes · 29-10-2010 09:50PM

This is the union gone mad. I'd be surprised if the actual staff would be against its removal.

I don't know who gets this half hour anyway we certainly don't get it.

Uriel. · 29-10-2010 10:03PM

I'm completely appaled by this.

This is one of the least painful "reforms" that would be implemented under croke park. Whether the country's economic situation wad bad or not, this "privilege" should have been done away with the day payments started to be made by EFT.

These gob****es are doing absolutely nothing to help themselves or the public good.

When public opinion (whether justified or misconceived) of the value for money offered by the public service is at it's lowest, they pull a stunt like this. God help us all.

As RTE said tonight if this "small" "reform" can't be implemented without a fight, what hope is there for the more significant and complex reforms to be implemented.

CP will be torn up very very soon, further public service pay cuts will ensue and they've nobody to blame only themselves.

changes · 29-10-2010 10:18PM

Apparently its only the pre 2003 staff to that get it too. Mr Horan would want to pull himself together and put this one to bed asap.

From RTE:" The entitlement was discontinued for new entrants from 2003 - but still exists for pre-2003 employees".

Gumbo · 29-10-2010 10:20PM

murphaph wrote: »

They belittle themselves without any help from me by pulling sh!t like this!

Their union represents THEM, so please pull the other one. Their union is only doing what they have given them a mandate to do on their behalf, so fcuk the lot of them. :mad:

The CP deal is so obviously nothing more than a joke, when 30 mins banking time for non-existant cheques is fought tooth and nail over. I'll be happy when the IMF eventually get to set the terms.

We are constantly told by the PS fanboys on here that it's all the management's fault that there's no reforms, but clearly the management don't control their union...they do, so the ordinary admins and clerks anr mandating their union to fight for 30 mins that they don't need anymore and haven't needed for many years.

When the money runs out in April I hope they remember this.

i dont recall a mandate circulating in relation to the bank time.
its not the staff that are opposed to this, its just the union making some noise imo.

your attitude is just begrudery imo, and enforced by your comments "fcuk the lot of them", just proves you dont listen to reason.

maybe your just a PS basher fanboy

rebel10 · 29-10-2010 10:27PM

Sorry, was it just civil servants who have been receiving this free time?
Not all public sec?

Gumbo · 29-10-2010 10:31PM

rebel10 wrote: »

Sorry, was it just civil servants who have been receiving this free time?
Not all public sec?

havent a clue tbh, deffo was available in Local Authorities to older staff.
LA's are Civil Service arent they????

SugarHigh · 29-10-2010 10:34PM

20Cent wrote: »

The question that should be asked is "does anyone use this" very much doubt it.
Fixating on small stuff like this can make views more entrenched.
You want me to work by certain rules, then thats what I'll do to the letter, it would be a false economy.

If no one uses it then they why do they care if it's taken away?

Uriel. · 29-10-2010 10:37PM

kceire wrote: »

i dont recall a mandate circulating in relation to the bank time.
its not the staff that are opposed to this, its just the union making some noise imo.

your attitude is just begrudery imo, and enforced by your comments "fcuk the lot of them", just proves you dont listen to reason.

maybe your just a PS basher fanboy

I'm sorry, but even public sector bashers can't be rebutted on this one. The public service with acts like this are loading the public service bashing gun, one very, very big bullet at a time. The clip is almost full and the trigger is gonna be pulled soon.

Like it or not, agree or not, SOs and COs are represented by the CPSU and if members had any real cop on or desire to see though even the most reasonable of provisions of CP then they would revolt against their union "representatives". The time for sitting quietly by is long since gone. Act with your membership. Threaten to cancel your subscription if your representatives don't cop on

Gumbo · 29-10-2010 10:40PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

If no one uses it then they why do they care if it's taken away?

Uriel. wrote: »

I'm sorry, but even public sector bashers can't be rebutted on this one. The public service with acts like this are loading the public service bashing gun, one very, very big bullet at a time. The clip is almost full and the trigger is gonna be pulled soon.

Like it or jot, agree or not, SOs and COs are represented by the CPSU and if members had any real cop on or desire to see though even the most reasonable of provisions of CP then they would revolt against their union "representatives". The time for sitting quietly by is long since gone. Act with your membership. Threaten to cancel your subscription if your representatives don't cop on

this is what im trying to get across, the members have said nothing about this. its just the union itself shouting its mouth off imo.

no staff were mandated, and no staff/member voted to agree or go against it.

ps - im in no union at all, so i have no loyality to any of them tbh.

Uriel. · 29-10-2010 10:58PM

kceire wrote: »

this is what im trying to get across, the members have said nothing about this. its just the union itself shouting its mouth off imo.

no staff were mandated, and no staff/member voted to agree or go against it.

ps - im in no union at all, so i have no loyality to any of them tbh.

Well it's up to the members of the Union to let the union know that they don't support their "outburst"

rebel10 · 29-10-2010 11:04PM

kceire wrote: »

havent a clue tbh, deffo was available in Local Authorities to older staff.
LA's are Civil Service arent they????

So the public service can't, as a whole, be picked on. Am i right? So instead of shouting off, (not you Kceire)can we not just find out who exactly is getting this and demand that they react against it.
I know that teachers for one certainly aren't entitled to this and i would imagine that many other public sector workers aren't either.
Name the groups in the public sec. that get this before this rant goes on perhaps?

Public sector Union to resist removal of 'bank time'

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