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kay 9 · 15-10-2010 06:08PM #1

Lads and ladies if any here, was searching for the best deal on Ivomec super and came across this yesterday, has the exact same mix and ingredients for half the price almost ie. 200ml for 112 euro delivered. Not bad me thinks

http://www.farmworming.co.uk/index.asp?function=CART&ECD=2760&productid=

Anyone have any other links that woudl be useful for this sort of thing?

Cheers lads.

reilig · 15-10-2010 06:15PM

kay 9 wrote: »

Lads and ladies if any here, was searching for the best deal on Ivomec super and came across this yesterday, has the exact same mix and ingredients for half the price almost ie. 200ml for 112 euro delivered. Not bad me thinkshttp://www.farmworming.co.uk/index.asp?function=CART&ECD=2760&productid=

Anyone have any other links that woudl be useful for this sort of thing?

Cheers lads.

Animec Super has the exact same ingredients as the Ivomec Super. I got it at EUR 70 for 250 ml a few weeks back. It requires the same amounts per kg to be administered as the Ivomec Super also so they are identical. Its made by Chanelle.

bt12 · 15-10-2010 07:44PM

got 3 bimectin 500mls for 100 euro at agri needs in birr, u have to shop
around. Paid 40euro of the local vet shop for 50mls ivomec equivalent during the summer to dose calves

kay 9 · 16-10-2010 06:11PM

reilig wrote: »

Animec Super has the exact same ingredients as the Ivomec Super. I got it at EUR 70 for 250 ml a few weeks back. It requires the same amounts per kg to be administered as the Ivomec Super also so they are identical. Its made by Chanelle.

Where did ya get it Relig if ya don;t mind me askin?

That's a very good price:eek:

reilig · 16-10-2010 07:03PM

kay 9 wrote: »

Where did ya get it Relig if ya don;t mind me askin? That's a very good price:eek:

Local connacht gold store. It was a special as the product is new to the market, but it won't cost too much more than that when off special - so the guy in the store told me.

kay 9 · 16-10-2010 07:38PM

Cheers for that Reilig:) I'll check it out Monday.

snowman707 · 16-10-2010 10:18PM

TBH I'm not a great fan of Ivomec super or any of the alternatives, wouldn't trust them for fluke prevention

whelan1 · 17-10-2010 05:12AM

snowman707 wrote: »

TBH I'm not a great fan of Ivomec super or any of the alternatives, wouldn't trust them for fluke prevention

what do you use?

reilig · 17-10-2010 08:28AM

In the past, a lot of farmers around here used ivomec super twice a year, year in, year out. A lot of herds became immune to the ivomec or at least, it didn't work as well as it should have. When farmers used alternative treatments, they found that they worked better than the Ivomec that they had used for years. Its quite important to vairy what you use every year. Ivomec or its alternatives is fine to use every couple of years. But like any other treatment, fluke will become immune to it if you continually use it year on year. This was the story from a vet at a recent farm walk anyway

snowman707 · 17-10-2010 09:42AM

whelan1 wrote: »

what do you use?

this year cows will be getting zanil, first calvers will get a cheap worm dose havent shopped around yet also

weanlings and store cattle were done with dectomax pour on about a month ago ( got a good deal from cahl) they will be done with tribex at housing

reilig wrote: »

In the past, a lot of farmers around here used ivomec super twice a year, year in, year out. A lot of herds became immune to the ivomec or at least, it didn't work as well as it should have. When farmers used alternative treatments, they found that they worked better than the Ivomec that they had used for years. Its quite important to vairy what you use every year. Ivomec or its alternatives is fine to use every couple of years. But like any other treatment, fluke will become immune to it if you continually use it year on year. This was the story from a vet at a recent farm walk anyway

the biggest problem with using invomec type products constantly will that cattle have no resistance when they do get infected, no farm is going to be 100% clean all the time

I have mentioned more than once the over use of medicines and drugs often been advised on this forum, and i am a great believer of self immunity, I don't run for the dosing gun if I see a calf with a slight cough or a few worms in sheep dung,

this is my option no doubt many will disagree but I think my animals thrive no worse or better than others

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kay 9 · 17-10-2010 02:38PM

snowman707 wrote: »

this year cows will be getting zanil, first calvers will get a cheap worm dose havent shopped around yet also

weanlings and store cattle were done with dectomax pour on about a month ago ( got a good deal from cahl) they will be done with tribex at housing

the biggest problem with using invomec type products constantly will that cattle have no resistance when they do get infected, no farm is going to be 100% clean all the time

I have mentioned more than once the over use of medicines and drugs often been advised on this forum, and i am a great believer of self immunity, I don't run for the dosing gun if I see a calf with a slight cough or a few worms in sheep dung,

this is my option no doubt many will disagree but I think my animals thrive no worse or better than others

i

You have a good point there mate, the ould fella always says no need to do the older cattle that were born on the land. Most of them were never done and they never have trouble, weanlings don;t get anything anyway they reckon as the cows milk is supposed to be the ivomec. Just thought I'd do them all before the winter comes in and see if there is any difference in their coats and such deeper in the winter.

whelan1 · 17-10-2010 06:18PM

what milk withdrawal is on the zanil/nilzan , now i know it does for rumen fluke , what else does it cover?

5live · 17-10-2010 06:56PM

whelan1 wrote: »

what milk withdrawal is on the zanil/nilzan , now i know it does for rumen fluke , what else does it cover?

It covers adult fluke only and rumen fluke but some people report having been told to use double dose rate for rumen fluke. The milk withdrawl is 3 days i think. I will really miss fasinex this year on the cows but i suppose it will be good to change to reduce resistance but i have a lot of cattle to dose and doing them twice in not my idea of a fun way to pass the spring:mad:

Butcher Boy · 17-10-2010 10:15PM

I had four heifers killed recently that I reared myself. They had been done with ivomec super twice during the summer. All livers were skipped because they were rotten with fluke so I agree that ivomec super is no good for fluke.

ellewood · 18-10-2010 07:03AM

so what programe of dosing should be used on sucklers and calves spring calving??
when should calves be done and with which specific products??
when should cows be done and with what??

5live · 18-10-2010 08:53AM

ellewood wrote: »

so what programe of dosing should be used on sucklers and calves spring calving??
when should calves be done and with which specific products??
when should cows be done and with what??

If you are in a fluke prone area you can use fasinex on beef cows buy check the withdrawl for beef. You should use a flukecide effective against immature fluke as they cause the most damage. Not sure if dosing mature cows v worms is effective but im sure one of the suckler posters will clarify that one. Thin cows should be done to help build up condition. If you read the instructions on the dose packet it will tell you most of when to dose. I think it is 2 weeks post housing before you can begin but i wouldnt dare even try to suggest a dosing regime for suckler calves:o

blue5000 · 18-10-2010 12:59PM

ellewood wrote: »

so what programe of dosing should be used on sucklers and calves spring calving??
when should calves be done and with which specific products??
when should cows be done and with what??

Hi Ellewood,

I'm calving sucklers in spring, All I can tell you is what I did this yr.
Calves got a shot of cheapie ivomec mid june, and another one 6wks later and moved to aftergrass. Also got a dose of chanaverm in sept, as a few were coughing, this should help the lungs stay clear until after weaning.

I kept 1st calvers seperate from main bunch of cows, I lost 1 of these with pneumonia(possibly hoose) in sept so they got chanaverm when the calves got it. Main bunch of cows wern't dosed but will get fluke dose about a wk after housing. I reckon the one cow died because she had no natural resistance to lungworm, ivomec was used on her as a calf, and she got a white dose last yr. I also use tribovax-t on all calves for blackleg etc. I don't use it on older stock.

Hope this helps.

ellewood · 19-10-2010 07:59AM

blue5000 wrote: »

Hi Ellewood,

I'm calving sucklers in spring, All I can tell you is what I did this yr.
Calves got a shot of cheapie ivomec mid june, and another one 6wks later and moved to aftergrass. Also got a dose of chanaverm in sept, as a few were coughing, this should help the lungs stay clear until after weaning.

I kept 1st calvers seperate from main bunch of cows, I lost 1 of these with pneumonia(possibly hoose) in sept so they got chanaverm when the calves got it. Main bunch of cows wern't dosed but will get fluke dose about a wk after housing. I reckon the one cow died because she had no natural resistance to lungworm, ivomec was used on her as a calf, and she got a white dose last yr. I also use tribovax-t on all calves for blackleg etc. I don't use it on older stock.

Hope this helps.

sound blue, thanks, thats exactly the info i needed, i did simular with the 2 doses during the summer but ive a few with a small bit of a cough now and they dont seem to be thriving as well as last year even tho they have the best of grass, meal and milk so ill do em wiyh chanaverm at week end. what fluke dose will you give the cows after housing i used trodax last year and seemed to work well i had 1 1st calver last year who was thin i taught it was just because she was 1st calver and had a good sup of milk but she got thinner so i done her with trojax well before she was housed and she turned around in a few weeks. sorry to hear about the 1 you lost, its a balls..

kay 9 · 19-10-2010 09:54AM

Thanks for all the replies lads, good ones all of them.

blue5000 · 23-10-2010 10:34PM

ellewood wrote: »

sound blue, thanks, thats exactly the info i needed, i did simular with the 2 doses during the summer but ive a few with a small bit of a cough now and they dont seem to be thriving as well as last year even tho they have the best of grass, meal and milk so ill do em wiyh chanaverm at week end. what fluke dose will you give the cows after housing..

I used trodax last yr so will probably go for fasinex this yr, Have to admit the injectibles are far handier to use though.

Bodacious · 08-12-2010 10:32PM

kay 9 wrote: »

Lads and ladies if any here, was searching for the best deal on Ivomec super and came across this yesterday, has the exact same mix and ingredients for half the price almost ie. 200ml for 112 euro delivered. Not bad me thinkshttp://www.farmworming.co.uk/index.asp?function=CART&ECD=2760&productid=

Anyone have any other links that woudl be useful for this sort of thing?

Cheers lads.

Try www.bestpet.co.uk best i could get

Ivomec super 200ml £74

Ivomec classic por on 2.5ltrs £54 (connacht cold €109.99):)

pakalasa · 09-12-2010 09:08AM

On that point about cattle immunity to worms and hoose.
I saw a programme on UK TV a while back where a Vet was recommending delaying the first teatment of worms in young heifers, which were intended to be kept as replacements. His belief was that a slight infestation was good as it allowed the animals immune system to develop resistance to the worms. Same with fluke, I guess.
I took that to mean mabye doing a month or so, after doing the rest of the calves.

blue5000 · 09-12-2010 03:01PM

Any organic farmers on here, what do they do?

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