Rooney not signing a new contract?

CR 7 · 20-10-2010 10:00PM

recylingbin wrote: »

Can't believe how disloyal Utd fans are to Rooney tbh.

I can't believe how troll-y trolls are tbh.

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-10-2010 10:01PM

doc_17 wrote: »

imo (and I'm not looking to rag anyone) it's hypocritical for some fans to get angry at Rooney for wanting to leave. It's for the same reasons he left Everton to go to United in the first place. More money and a better chance of winning things. It's just that the shoe is on the other foot now. It's all about perspective.

I really think he should stay at United though. It would be best for him.

Listen to the stuff he was saying less than a year ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/6509413/Wayne-Rooney-I-want-to-follow-Ryan-Giggs-example-and-stay-at-Manchester-United.html

You can't really blame the anger and the sense of betrayal.

jaykay74 · 20-10-2010 10:01PM

Man United boss Sir Alex Ferguson: "I haven't read Wayne Rooney's statement, but we'll have a view on it tomorrow and probably put it to bed tomorrow. As I said, the door is open. We keep good players, particularly when they are that young. He wants assurances? Have I won 30 trophies or what?!"

MonkeyTennis · 20-10-2010 10:01PM

as a Liverpool fan, Im taken aback by the whole thing. Im trying not to listen to what the press is spouting but if this is a 'footballing' decision Im genuinely surprised.

Warper · 20-10-2010 10:03PM

doc_17 wrote: »

imo (and I'm not looking to rag anyone) it's hypocritical for some fans to get angry at Rooney for wanting to leave. It's for the same reasons he left Everton to go to United in the first place. More money and a better chance of winning things. It's just that the shoe is on the other foot now. It's all about perspective.

I really think he should stay at United though. It would be best for him.

Very good point but some Utd. fans are so blinkered they can't see this. They can't handle the fact that they are not a big enough club now for players like Rooney so they resort to lowlife personal blows against the guy and his wife. That goes for all the typical heads that actually thanked the thread with that poster on the previous page.

thegen · 20-10-2010 10:04PM

Rooney walked out on the club he supported as a kid fir UTD and now UTD supporters are calling him disloyal. Lol

The Muppet · 20-10-2010 10:05PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes I agree it's the primary motivation. In a lot of cases anyway.

If you'd said that in the first place I wouldn't have disagreed with you. But you said something quite different.

ntlbell wrote: »

Are you doing this on purpose?

If the right amount of money can make a player disregard, everything else

then everything is money?

everyone has a price.

Pro. F wrote: »

To say that things like location and prospects of success aren't a factor is nonsense. Of course money is a big factor I'm not denying that.

ntlbell wrote: »

They can be, all things equal. But when it's not E.G. one is offering more money, they can over ride everything else if the money is big enough.

there goes, money is the be all and end all as it can override everything else.

christ all mighty.

You got to be a pedant to play the game.

Peyton Manning · 20-10-2010 10:06PM

thegen wrote: »

Rooney walked out on the club he supported as a kid fir UTD and now UTD supporters are calling him disloyal. Lol

Find me a United fan who denied Rooney was being disloyal when he left Everton.

thegen · 20-10-2010 10:09PM

Easy to say now. Never heard a UTD supporter comment on it back then.

davyjose · 20-10-2010 10:09PM

Warper wrote: »

Very good point but some Utd. fans are so blinkered they can't see this. They can't handle the fact that they are not a big enough club now for players like Rooney so they resort to lowlife personal blows against the guy and his wife. That goes for all the typical heads that actually thanked the thread with that poster on the previous page.

And yet yourself, recyclingbin and chucky have spent the guts of the last two days here trolling and goading united fans, with unabashed glee.

Yeah ... classy!

recylingbin · 20-10-2010 10:12PM

I've attacked no-one.
I've commented on the situstion.

Peyton Manning · 20-10-2010 10:12PM

thegen wrote: »

Easy to say now. Never heard a UTD supporter comment on it back then.

No one ever said he wasn't doing one over on Everton. As the recipient club, of course we would have no problem welcoming him, the same way Madrid won't have any problem welcoming him, but Everton fans had every right to label him Judas, and United fans have the exact same right now.

Warper · 20-10-2010 10:12PM

Archimedes wrote: »

Find me a United fan who denied Rooney was being disloyal when he left Everton.

No Utd fans mentioned his disloyalty when he moved as they didnt care. No one cares now either but Utd fans. Why not, he was getting paid more and would have a better chances of winning things. The same reasons he wants to get out of Utd as he said today himself. Its what football players do.

Peyton Manning · 20-10-2010 10:15PM

Warper wrote: »

No Utd fans mentioned his disloyalty when he moved as they didnt care. No one cares now either but Utd fans. Why not, he was getting paid more and would have a better chances of winning things. The same reasons he wants to get out of Utd as he said today himself. Its what football players do.

Emm, I didn't argue otherwise?

nullzero · 20-10-2010 10:16PM

doc_17 wrote: »

imo (and I'm not looking to rag anyone) it's hypocritical for some fans to get angry at Rooney for wanting to leave. It's for the same reasons he left Everton to go to United in the first place. More money and a better chance of winning things. It's just that the shoe is on the other foot now. It's all about perspective.

I really think he should stay at United though. It would be best for him.

The problem I have with what Rooney is doing is that he is undermining the club at a time when we need our best players to perform for us.
Also it should be noted that no club has the god given right to be successful all the time, most will fluctuate from success to relative underachievment.
Manchester United have yet to finish outside the top three in any Premier League season and missed last years title by a single point, previous to that we won the league three years on the trot.

I have no time for the owners of the club and I feel every effort should be made to oust them as quickly as possible, but it is never down to the players to accuse the club they are playing for of being unambitious, no matter how true it may seem to be.

I feel there are a number of players who are not right for United who are in the side right now and replacements are needed.
What doesn't help us is our star striker publicly undermining those players (in much the same way Roy Keane did in 2005), and I would suggest that his poor attitude this season has been affecting an already average side and perhaps poisoning the dressing room.

As much as I can agree with Rooney's assessment of the state of the club I can never accept that he is right to be the one to say it.
To a degree I see this episode as having a very poor reflection on Rooneys personality.
I saw United ship out three of our top players in 1995 (Ince, Hughes, Kanchelkis) we then saw a crew of unproven youngsters take their place, I don't recall Eric Cantona handing in a transfer request because Fergie wasn't getting the cheque book out to sign more established players.

It's pretty clear now that Rooney has worn the red of manchester United for the last time, as for his options with regards to fulfilling his "ambitions" it's looking likely to be City and City only and the fact that this story broke at all suggests that the deal is already in place.

Ambition to win trophies is a fantastic trait in a player, but the rest of what Rooney has displayed in this sorry tale is a litany of poor personality traits that don't bode well for his future employers.

Stating that he respects the clubs traditions whilst at the same time making a mockery of it is laughable.
Only a huge portion of humble pie and a crawling on hands and knees apology will suffice now and thats more than a longshot.

Warper · 20-10-2010 10:16PM

davyjose wrote: »

And yet yourself, recyclingbin and chucky have spent the guts of the last two days here trolling and goading united fans, with unabashed glee.

Yeah ... classy!

No I havn't, what I have been posting is what I believe to be the truth. I have not deliberately set out to troll or whatever people view it as.

The Muppet · 20-10-2010 10:17PM

Warper wrote: »

No Utd fans mentioned his disloyalty when he moved as they didnt care. No one cares now either but Utd fans. Why not, he was getting paid more and would have a better chances of winning things. The same reasons he wants to get out of Utd as he said today himself. Its what football players do.

Is this a new thing? you have to say players your club sign are disloyal to their previous club, I can't see it catching on can you?

Pro. F · 20-10-2010 10:17PM

mike65 wrote: »

Hilarious and rather expensive looking posters there. Glossy? Whatever happened to a white sheet and paintbrush?

Yeah wtf is the story with that.
They're canvas with vynal print if I'm not mistaken and they've got the brass bound eyelets and everything. Crazy over the top amount of money.

(BTW I'm not a poster materials nerd, I used to order them up in my old job.)

thegen · 20-10-2010 10:17PM

Archimedes wrote: »

No one ever said he wasn't doing one over on Everton. As the recipient club, of course we would have no problem welcoming him, the same way Madrid won't have any problem welcoming him, but Everton fans had every right to label him Judas, and United fans have the exact same right now.

What I said was laughable was that no UTD fans came out and slagged him off for jumping ship, but now feel let down by him. How sad for them. My heart bleeds.

nullzero · 20-10-2010 10:18PM

Archimedes wrote: »

No one ever said he wasn't doing one over on Everton. As the recipient club, of course we would have no problem welcoming him, the same way Madrid won't have any problem welcoming him, but Everton fans had every right to label him Judas, and United fans have the exact same right now.

Exactly, Rooney knows he's open to abuse now and when he's playing for City he'll just have to take the abuse as part and parcel of his actions.
It shouldn't come as a surprise to him after leaving the toffees.

nullzero · 20-10-2010 10:19PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Yeah wtf is the story with that.
They're canvas with vynal print if I'm not mistaken and they've got the brass bound eyelets and everything. Crazy over the top amount of money.

(BTW I'm not a poster materials nerd, I used to order them up in my old job.)

I'm sure a club as big as United is bound to have some fans working in the printing business somewhere.

Peyton Manning · 20-10-2010 10:21PM

thegen wrote: »

What I said was laughable was that no UTD fans came out and slagged him off for jumping ship, but now feel let down by him. How sad for them. My heart bleeds.

How is it laughable?

Are we going to turn down a £30 million talent because we feel he's turned his back on his old club? My bollox we are. United fans realised the way he treated Everton, and while not admirable, we were just happy to have Rooney, and Everton fans were justified in their hatred of him.

The shoe isn't on the other foot at all, because we never said Everton shouldn't hate him, the same way it's laughable that people are saying United fans shouldn't now.

Wayne Rooney would avoid all labels of disloyalty if he wasn't so premature in his statements.

That's two clubs and a wife he's now committed the rest of his life to, and backed away from. He's a coward and a fraud and deserves all the criticism he gets.

m@cc@ · 20-10-2010 10:22PM

Warper wrote: »

No Utd fans mentioned his disloyalty when he moved as they didnt care. No one cares now either but Utd fans. Why not, he was getting paid more and would have a better chances of winning things. The same reasons he wants to get out of Utd as he said today himself. Its what football players do.

I'm sure you have some point to make here, I'm just not seeing it.

jaykay74 · 20-10-2010 10:22PM

nullzero wrote: »

Exactly, Rooney knows he's open to abuse now and when he's playing for City he'll just have to take the abuse as part and parcel of his actions.
It shouldn't come as a surprise to him after leaving the toffees.

500k a week will get him plenty of security anyway even after hookers, ciggies and presents for the missus.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 20-10-2010 10:22PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Yeah wtf is the story with that.
They're canvas with vynal print if I'm not mistaken and they've got the brass bound eyelets and everything. Crazy over the top amount of money.

(BTW I'm not a poster materials nerd, I used to order them up in my old job.)

You can get them free off vistaprint these days. Is easier than daubing a sheet with whatever paint ya have in the garage and reduces the risk of mis-spellings

Bodhisopha · 20-10-2010 10:28PM

Can somebody please explain to me what loyalty has to do with it?

He's didn't grow up supporting Manchester United, he's not even a Mancunian.

United paid him a lot of money to play football for them during which time they won many league titles, a Champions League and came runner up in the same tournament the season after. Why does he owe Manchester United anything? What does loyalty have to do with it?

If he wants to move on and earn more money at a club where he has more chance of winning trophies then why can't people respect that?

thegen · 20-10-2010 10:28PM

I think UTD fans need to forget about Rooney now. He has obviously upset an awful lot of them and putting it in the past is the best option. Can anyone see him playing for UTD before he's sold????

argosy2006 · 20-10-2010 10:29PM

Willl rooney play again for Man u,?
can he me loaded out until he's sold >?

Mars Bar · 20-10-2010 10:29PM

thegen wrote: »

I think UTD fans need to forget about Rooney now. He has obviously upset an awful lot of them and putting it in the past is the best option. Can anyone see him playing for UTD before he's sold????

How can we put it behind us? he's gonna be a United player until January and the stories are gonna go on and on and on...

Peyton Manning · 20-10-2010 10:32PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

He's didn't grow up supporting Manchester United, he's not even a Mancunian.

Nothing got to do with being loyal to a club, it's about being loyal to your word.

"Once a blue, always a blue"
"I've always said that I'd like to end my career at Manchester United"
"I offer you my solemn vow to be your faithful partner in sickness and in health"

Rooney not signing a new contract?

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