Rooney not signing a new contract?

Daemos · 19-10-2010 03:05PM

Le King wrote: »

Says the chap posting rubbish.

I'll leave it at that.

Why, because you know you can't come back with a coherent response? Tell me what I said that you disagree with and I'll elaborate for you.

Dont be at yourself · 19-10-2010 03:05PM

Le King wrote: »

Bring me somebody who is able to have a conversation without reading the back of the Daily Mail to see how fúcked United are financially.

I'll bet you €100,000 right now, or anybody else, for that matter that United won't go bust before 2020.

Any of the United are fúcked brigade want to take me up on that?

You won't go bust. There'll always be someone to come in and save a club and brand like United.

But really, the situation in the short-term does not look good. Ronaldo was sold for a world record fee. Rooney's going to be leaving soon too. Tevez wasn't kept on. Scholes and Giggs won't be around forever. Despite this, United seem unwilling or unable to sign top-quality replacements.

It's similar to what's been happening to Liverpool, only a year or two behind. It ran Liverpool into the ground, and without extremely shrewd management, it could do the same to Man Utd.

TheDoc · 19-10-2010 03:06PM

BastardPrince wrote: »

LOL! yeh coz players of half rooneys ability score a hattrick on their cl debut at 18...

Michael Bridges popped in 2 hat tricks in 3 games for Leeds if memory serves correct.... we are tlaking longterm here....

That match was a pwoering united over a weak Fenerbache.... I'm pretty sure any half decent striker could have bagged a few goals.

we are not doubting his natural ability, but you can see how his game has come on over the years, that wasnt him just figuring **** out on his own : /

nullzero · 19-10-2010 03:06PM

It understandable that a player might want to move on from a club, but Rooney has dragged United through the mud with this carry on.

I always thought Rooney was a player in the mould of the old style footballer, how wrong I was, he's completely confounded everyone I feel, I can't remember seeing a similar situation at any club at any time.

Right now I'm starting to think that our poor form might have a lot to do with Rooney's attitude poisoning the dressing room.

There's no reason for this to be happening and for the way Rooney has dealt with this situation I hope his career ends up in ruins.
As somebody else mentioned earlier you wouldn't see Torres treating Liverpool in this way even tough he has much more reason to be angling for a move.

As a United fan I feel let down and I'd be very surprised if any prospective buyers for Rooney don't take his behaviour into account when they're weighing up an offer for him. His behaviour is unwarranted and will probably be something that will re occur over the rest of his career.

The last few days have been an insight into the weird warped world of Wayne Ronney's psyche if nothing else.

Dont be at yourself · 19-10-2010 03:07PM

steelcityblues wrote: »

They will remain a top four side, only because the league is full of teams who look brilliant one week, and either mediocre or awful the next!

That describes United as much as Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or City.

...sadly Liverpool haven't had the brilliant weeks this year.

That_Guy · 19-10-2010 03:08PM

I wonder if we'll make another ridiculous bid for him again.

Raskolnikov · 19-10-2010 03:09PM

Le King wrote:

Debt is being taken care of, thanks very much.

What sort of bizarro-land are you living in? How can you say the debt is being "taken care of" when it's been steadily increasing since the takeover? How can you say it's being "taken care of" when the club is being bled dry to just service the dead money on interest rate costs and fees to the Glazer's?

folan · 19-10-2010 03:09PM

one things for sure:

Interesting Christmas! wonder who'll be unwrapping this (IMO on a decline and a shadow of the great he was) present

Quazzie · 19-10-2010 03:09PM

I think its hilarious how now that Rooney wants to leave, suddenly he isn't half the player he was last season, and is now poisoning the dressing room.

A fickle bunch are ye United fans.

mike65 · 19-10-2010 03:10PM

mike65 wrote: »

I think Utd are in serious trouble on this, Rooney can afford to sit his contract out, while the Glazers will want to sell asap. City can buy him in a trice.

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

What has happened:

- Wayne Rooney cheats on his wife and his personal life is in turmoil, subsequently his form is lost.
- Sir Alex tells Rooney to take a break and sort his head out, in the meantime he lies to the press LIKE HE DOES NEARLY EVERY WEEK (because he hates the press) and says Wayne Rooney is injured.
- When asked, Wayne Rooney says he is not injured.
- The press decide this is a contradiction of the boss, they decide that Rooney and Fergie have a fight and they decide that Rooney will be leaving Manchester United.
- The press print this non-story and all types of media run with it, as it is major if true.
- People hear this on the radio etc and as a result, people I know who dont really like football are coming up to me and saying "So Rooney is leaving United?"
- The Club come out and say its all nonsence. The only actual quote so far from anyone.
- A new thread was started about a rumour that should have been in the superthread.

What will happen:
- Wayne Rooney or Sir Alex will come out and say that there has been no breakdown in relations.
- Wayne Rooney will stay at Manchester United.
- The press, in an attempt to cover their gigantic pile of shíte story, will run a new story about how Fergie and Rooney had an "air it out" no holding back 1 to 1, heart to heart talk and Ferguson convinced Rooney to stay.
- Further rumours will be put in the superthreads, not have their own threads.

Thats how I see it, I may be wrong, but these stories pop up all the time, and I think this one is snowballing because Wayne Rooney is public enemy #1 in England at the mo... Oh yeah and the tabloids are absolute flith.

mike65 wrote: »

So then are we about the see the first Utd star player get the better of Fergie? Could be cobblers could be the transfer sensation of the last decade. Yes bigger than Sol Campbell!

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This is pantomime stuff tbh. Simply put, the story has broken too far away from the realistic transfer window he can move in. Moving to City would be cartoon villain stuff.

He'll eventually come back into form, sign a new contract, and the media will **** themselves silly over Ferguson's "man management" skills.

mike65 wrote: »

He'll leave.

Okay he still hasn't left...

steelcityblues · 19-10-2010 03:11PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

That describes United as much as Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or City.

...sadly Liverpool haven't had the brilliant weeks this year.

Liverpool haven't looked brilliant ... period!

Only Chelsea and 'Citeh', have that model of consistency about them

Arsenal and Spurs are good, but not exactly 'formidable'.

Fergie's character and experience will prevent a serious embarrasment on the pitch!

Irishcrx · 19-10-2010 03:13PM

As a Utd fan for all my life, I'm terribly dissapointed with the news and angry at Wayne Rooney as many others are, I cant understand why he wants out but the bottom line is he does. So the club has to do what it has to do and stand by what it has always been about and thats having players at the club who WANT to play for Manchester Utd, take as much money for him as we can get and for gods sake re-invest it, we cannot afford not to or we will end up fighting mid table before long. The team is already looking shakey and we need to sign one or two top class players and can do that with the money we get for Rooney.

I believe we can come back from this as we have before, But we are now facing loosing Scholes, Giggs and Rooney, however I would imagine Scholes and Giggs will hang on as long as they can to help the club while it rebuilds, but it needs to be now.

One silver lining I do see here is that I believe the new lad Javier Hernandez is quality, and I really do think he will step up in the next few months and who knows, one or two seasons down the line on of our top players and maybe even world class, he has all the skills there and Fergie see's that.

Lukker- · 19-10-2010 03:13PM

Why does he have the no. 9 on all his training gear?

syngindub · 19-10-2010 03:13PM

So people reckon he could of played his last game for utd then?

niallo27 · 19-10-2010 03:15PM

Got a warning for the cracking up comment, ****en joke, is thanks 4 the fish a manc or what, there will be no one left on the site if this ****e continues

PHB · 19-10-2010 03:16PM

Le King wrote: »

Bring me somebody who is able to have a conversation without reading the back of the Daily Mail to see how fúcked United are financially.

I'll bet you €100,000 right now, or anybody else, for that matter that United won't go bust before 2020.

Any of the United are fúcked brigade want to take me up on that?

Yeah I do, you have absolutely no ****ing idea what you're talking about. You have utterly mis-analysed the problems and the potential problems facing United and the fact that you think that going bust is the issue shows that you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Loads of people have talked about:

a massively reduced transfer spend
massively increased ticket prices
a Football Club run like its only purpose is to bloody give cash to its owners

Every since the takeover people in the we are ****ed brigage having been saying that transfer spend will be down, that ticket prices will go up, and guess what ...

We sold the best player in the world for 80 million euro. World record transfer fee. It wasn't re-invested into the squad, why because Fergie said that there is no value or not players who can improve our team. Who the **** believes that?
We've had massive interests in ticket prices.
We've had the Glazers pay themselves massive fees for their own profit, all the while raping the business which is sustaining them.

So where are we?

We are now in 3rd place in the league after 8 games, already 5 points behind Chelsea and behind the ****ing bitters.
We have just been told that we are losing who nearly everybody will agree is our best player in the squad, even if his form this season hasn't matched it.
We lost the best player in the world to Real Madrid 2 years ago, the first time in over a decade that we have had to sell a player who we desperately wanted to keep.
Ticket prices have increased every single year, and now the stadium is filled with ****ers who leave 5 minutes early to beat the traffic.
A huge bunch of people who have followed United since they were bloody 5 now support a different club.
he owners have no reasonable way to pay off the PIKs, so until they accept this or magically re-finance in this absolutely stellar economic climate our low net spend and increased ticket prices are going to remain.

So what can we look forward to? The best thing that could happen to United's on the pitch performances in the next 5 years without any doubt is new owners. For this season and the next?

I'm hoping beyond hope, that Ferguson the football manager, of whom I have the greatest respect for, can somehow pull something magical out of the bag.

I'm hoping that Anderson, Hargreaves, Evans, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez and Cleverly all become top class players and stay fit.

I'm hoping that Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Nani and Berbatov don't begin to question whether United who have just sold their two best players to pay off their debts is really the best place for them.

I'm hoping that when Fergie retires, that we still have the gravitas to attract somebody like Mourinho who can really do justice as the next United manager after Fergie.

Because if these things don't happen, we're going to be going into a bloody long-term decline, and even when we get rid of these ****ing owners, it's not going to be easy to climb back up.

So please, take you ****ing head out of the sand, and lose you're know it all attitude despite the fact that every single post you write shows you're utter lack of understanding of anything. If you want to post utter drivel in support of United no matter what, go to redcafe, that's what its there for. On this forum, we talk about the real world.

Ush1 · 19-10-2010 03:16PM

baz2009 wrote: »

British players should understand it more than South Americans(Yes I know they have rivalries in SA, too;)). I'd be disappointed in him, because he'd know right well what it'd mean to the United fans if he moved to City. And to be fair, we have treated him like a God since he moved here.

Okay but Rooney has kissed the United crest for the purpose of antagonising Everton fans. Clearly riling people up, or getting riled up himself, comes fairly naturally.

dubmick · 19-10-2010 03:16PM

I'd like to know what United are doing to try and talk him out of it. They've known for 2 months that he wasn't going to sign a new contract yet they don't know why? They should be pulling out all the stops to get him to stay or at least find out why he actually wants to leave.

Remember in March, he said he wanted to stay for life.

Paul Tergat · 19-10-2010 03:18PM

Quazzie wrote: »

I think its hilarious how now that Rooney wants to leave, suddenly he isn't half the player he was last season, and is now poisoning the dressing room.

A fickle bunch are ye United fans.

If I can ask just one thing from anyone in this thread its not to tar everyone with the same brush. When fully fit Rooney will be back to the awesome player that he is and any club who gets him will be lucky to have him play for them.

That_Guy · 19-10-2010 03:20PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Why does he have the no. 9 on all his training gear?

Just in case Carroll goes to jail.

Handsome Bob · 19-10-2010 03:20PM

I don't know what Fergie's game is divulging this information with 2 and a half months still to go before the January transfer window opens. Is he trying to shame Rooney into signing a new contract?

Ush1 · 19-10-2010 03:21PM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

If I can ask just one thing from anyone in this thread its not to tar everyone with the same brush. When fully fit Rooney will be back to the awesome player that he is and any club who gets him will be lucky to have him play for them.

I wouldn't and I'd say plenty of United fans are realistic about things. Some were thinking Rooney is this shining white knight example, defending absolutely anything he did. Was gas.

syngindub · 19-10-2010 03:21PM

nice timing though. Wait till all the liverpool publicity was over and done with then hit them with it.

folan · 19-10-2010 03:21PM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

If I can ask just one thing from anyone in this thread its not to tar everyone with the same brush. When fully fit Rooney will be back to the awesome player that he is and any club who gets him will be lucky to have him play for them.

Will he? Rooney has said that he is fully fit, and he doesn't know why SAF said he wasn't.

The past few months disagree. He looks a shadow of himself a season ago.

Raskolnikov · 19-10-2010 03:21PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

It's similar to what's been happening to Liverpool, only a year or two behind. It ran Liverpool into the ground, and without extremely shrewd management, it could do the same to Man Utd.

Agree totally.

United have went from Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo to Nani, Valencia and Berbatov; even the most blinkered United fan has to admit that that's a far inferior attacking line-up. Not only that, but you have older players like Giggs and Scholes who haven't been properly replaced. To compound all that, you have the likes of Ferdinand, Evra, etc. players whose form has declined significantly.

adox · 19-10-2010 03:23PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I don't know what Fergie's game is divulging this information with 2 and a half months still to go before the January transfer window opens. Is he trying to shame Rooney into signing a new contract?

Well its not as if he just spouted it out.

If this has been the case since August well then I surprised it hasnt surfaced in the media beforehand.

Dont be at yourself · 19-10-2010 03:24PM

PHB wrote: »

...

I don't often agree with PHB, but he's completely right. Hopefully similar opinions will permeate to the rank-and-file support sooner rather than later.

Le King · 19-10-2010 03:26PM

PHB wrote: »

Yeah I do, you have absolutely no ****ing idea what you're talking about. You have utterly mis-analysed the problems and the potential problems facing United and the fact that you think that going bust is the issue shows that you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Loads of people have talked about:
a massively reduced transfer spend

massively increased ticket prices

a Football Club run like its only purpose is to bloody give cash to its owners

Every since the takeover people in the we are ****ed brigage having been saying that transfer spend will be down, that ticket prices will go up, and guess what ...

We sold the best player in the world for 80 million euro. World record transfer fee. It wasn't re-invested into the squad, why because Fergie said that there is no value or not players who can improve our team. Who the **** believes that?
We've had massive interests in ticket prices.
We've had the Glazers pay themselves massive fees for their own profit, all the while raping the business which is sustaining them.

So where are we?
We are now in 3rd place in the league after 8 games, already 5 points behind Chelsea and behind the ****ing bitters.

We have just been told that we are losing who nearly everybody will agree is our best player in the squad, even if his form this season hasn't matched it.

We lost the best player in the world to Real Madrid 2 years ago, the first time in over a decade that we have had to sell a player who we desperately wanted to keep.

Ticket prices have increased every single year, and now the stadium is filled with ****ers who leave 5 minutes early to beat the traffic.

A huge bunch of people who have followed United since they were bloody 5 now support a different club.

he owners have no reasonable way to pay off the PIKs, so until they accept this or magically re-finance in this absolutely stellar economic climate our low net spend and increased ticket prices are going to remain.

So what can we look forward to? The best thing that could happen to United's on the pitch performances in the next 5 years without any doubt is new owners. For this season and the next?

I'm hoping beyond hope, that Ferguson the football manager, of whom I have the greatest respect for, can somehow pull something magical out of the bag.

I'm hoping that Anderson, Hargreaves, Evans, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez and Cleverly all become top class players and stay fit.

I'm hoping that Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Nani and Berbatov don't begin to question whether United who have just sold their two best players to pay off their debts is really the best place for them.

I'm hoping that when Fergie retires, that we still have the gravitas to attract somebody like Mourinho who can really do justice as the next United manager after Fergie.

Because if these things don't happen, we're going to be going into a bloody long-term decline, and even when we get rid of these ****ing owners, it's not going to be easy to climb back up.

So please, take you ****ing head out of the sand, and lose you're know it all attitude despite the fact that every single post you write shows you're utter lack of understanding of anything. If you want to post utter drivel in support of United no matter what, go to redcafe, that's what its there for. On this forum, we talk about the real world.

I will definitely reply to this later. Some interesting points you have brought up. However, you are nothing short of scaremongering.

You can ploy that shíte to anybody but not me. Honestly, don't talk about the state of a club without quoting a single financial number.

Increased ticket prices, PIKs, for fúck sake PHB, read the accounts we have even covered for a currency exchange rate that won't exist in 2017. If you really think we have no way to pay of PIKs then I'm not the one with my head in the sand.

Go take your Red Knight's and G+G shíte and shove it. The bunch of "United" fans who told lies to try get control of the club

I'll reply to this crap later.

5starpool · 19-10-2010 03:28PM

I don't read Man U related threads too often, but things I've learned from this thread are:

1. Some opposition fans troll man u related threads as well. Not much fun had by man u fans.
2. Some man u fans really do think all is rosy financially. I don't think they will end up in the same near administration state as Liverpool as their income is so big, but the repayments are already affecting spending, and will do for years to come, while the level of debt and world situation means that finding a buyer now who will pay the glazers enough to see them go would be very challenging.
3. Some other manu fans think it's fine to brush off Rooney and Ronaldo being sold as 'pleyers they couldnt keep' while some of the same people perhaps said that liverpool losing Alonso and Masch was the clubs fault for selling.
4. Reality will bite at some point. Not as hard as Liverpools reality probably, but it will bite.
5. Despite all and the way it's looking now, Rooney will likely still be where he is now this time next year. That's not strictly a learning, but just an opinion.

Chardee MacDennis · 19-10-2010 03:30PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Michael Bridges popped in 2 hat tricks in 3 games for Leeds if memory serves correct.... we are tlaking longterm here....

That match was a pwoering united over a weak Fenerbache.... I'm pretty sure any half decent striker could have bagged a few goals.

we are not doubting his natural ability, but you can see how his game has come on over the years, that wasnt him just figuring **** out on his own : /

he's been awesome the last 9 months hasnt he?!?!

No matter what club rooney ended up at he would have been one of the top english strikers...

Rooney not signing a new contract?

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