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Public Sector Wages - some facts please
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18-10-2010 10:22AM#1
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http://www.budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2010/Documents/whitepaperfin2010.pdf
Central Statistics Office budget went from 49,670,000 to 63,858,000
For the money being spend on this department we certainly are getting some very bad value for money. The opposition parties have been moaning lately also about lack of access to data and information.
Hows this for job creation give 1 million a year to 50 private companies (50 million)
to employ people who would audit, question and collect data from public bodies,
create and maintain databases,
and provide the data to anyone and everyone
as added bonus you could employ alot of people in these audit&report companies
the business plan:
for every euro of public money wasted or corrupted that these audit companies find the employees would receive 50% bonus and rest go back to public purse
Any organisation entrusted with money and power should be kept in constant check, the checks and balances would be provided by the private sector in pursuit of profit not more beuracrats.
hows that for transparency 0 -
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Are these the same auditors that have been missing glaring holes and massive irregularaties in the books of banks for the last number of years?http://www.budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2010/Documents/whitepaperfin2010.pdf
Central Statistics Office budget went from 49,670,000 to 63,858,000
For the money being spend on this department we certainly are getting some very bad value for money. The opposition parties have been moaning lately also about lack of access to data and information.
Hows this for job creation give 1 million a year to 50 private companies (50 million)
to employ people who would audit, question and collect data from public bodies,
create and maintain databases,
and provide the data to anyone and everyone
as added bonus you could employ alot of people in these audit&report companies
the business plan:
for every euro of public money wasted or corrupted that these audit companies find the employees would receive 50% bonus and rest go back to public purse
Any organisation entrusted with money and power should be kept in constant check, the checks and balances would be provided by the private sector in pursuit of profit not more beuracrats.
hows that for transparency
The private sector have been auditing private and public sector organisations for the past number of years.
I do agree, we do require auditing, but the systems you need to put in place to do this are nowhere near as simplified as you make them out to be, the last number of years have taught us that.0 -
Some data here:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055750520
Not exactly what you are after however.
ei.sdraob,
Can you advise of a location on the interwebs (from another country) where the granular information you are requesting that this government make available about our public sector is available?
I do not know of any since i haven't looked for info on other countries
But the likes of Obama have made alot of noise about more transparency (whether it will materialize is another issue)
In order to make decisions and for people to keep their governments in check everyone needs more information. Right now the current government can lie an do lie to the people of this country regularly, and get away with it.
An informed populace in theory would make better choices in a democratic system (See Lisbon) and keep the people they elect in check and off the waste and corruption trail, that is something that some politicians do not like the sound of.0 -
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Perhaps you should find have a quick look. I would wager that that level of access/granularity is exceptionally rare.I do not know of any since i haven't looked for info on other countries
But the likes of Obama have made alot of noise about more transparency (whether it will materialize is another issue)
In order to make decisions and for people to keep their governments in check everyone needs more information. Right now the current government can lie an do lie to the people of this country regularly, and get away with it.
An informed populace in theory would make better choices in a democratic system (See Lisbon) and keep the people they elect in check and off the waste and corruption trail, that is something that some politicians do not like the sound of.
Obama (and most politicians) speak a lot about transparency, especially in the current climate. It is unlikely the transparency will go down to the levels you are looking for due to many practical reasons.
Despite the last number of months, I dont think you've managed to see the big picture.
Ultimately as an electorate we either:
1. Dont care about corruption/shading dealings.
2. Are too afraid to do anything about it.
No mater how much accountability we push on them, these two facts have become blatently obvious of late.0 -
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Perhaps you should find have a quick look. I would wager that that level of access/granularity is exceptionally rare.
Obama (and most politicians) speak a lot about transparency, especially in the current climate. It is unlikely the transparency will go down to the levels you are looking for due to many practical reasons.
Despite the last number of months, I dont think you've managed to see the big picture.
Ultimately as an electorate we either:
1. Dont care about corruption/shading dealings.
2. Are too afraid to do anything about it.
No mater how much accountability we push on them, these two facts have become blatently obvious of late.
1. put that to a democratic vote, lets have a referendum on whether or not have more transparency (anyone who doesnt show up and vote will have their tax credits removed and they can pay for waste directly then they might care about waste and corruption)
2. what can people do about it? (rioting and burning cars wouldn't get us far), we are being denied a vote (the by-elections), change should happen at the ballot box.0 -
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i am not sure why you attacking me for asking for more accountability and data
god forbid someone suggests that more transparency and change is required
in the current system
all of the issues you raised stem back to lack of transparency and corruption yet you think there is no point in reform.0 -
i am not sure why you attacking me for asking for more accountability and data
god forbid someone suggests that more transparency and change is required in the current system
I amn't attacking anyone.
I am asking for a bit of logic, a bit of common sense and a bit of straight forward reasoning instead of acting like the politicans of this world and trying to be popular.
We have an electorate that very plainly dont care enough.
You've said yourself that there were "dodgy" dealings in the banks for years. No one cared, nothing to do with transparency. We as an electorate kept electing people that stood for these "ideals" and we continued to do so. We will probably elect another 30-40 of them next time round as well.0 -
I amn't attacking anyone.
I am asking for a bit of logic, a bit of common sense and a bit of straight forward reasoning instead of acting like the politicans of this world and trying to be popular.
We have an electorate that very plainly dont care enough.
How do you know how the electorate are feeling? the one way to find out is elections, but we are being denied that....
They might not care now but wait till hospitals start to close and schools fall apart (I am from Galway too
so you know exactly what I am talking about) and then point out to these people {politely} that they are where they are because of who they voted for and not holding the politicians in check.
Maybe they would start to care then, in meantime its 20:13 and i still have work to do (hmm in order for more of my hard earned €s to be taxed and wasted) 0 -
The electorate can very easily go to their local politicans (be they councilors or TD's) and make it very clear how they feel and what they want to see changed.How do you know how the electorate are feeling? the one way to find out is elections, but we are being denied that....
They might not care now but wait till hospitals start to close and schools fall apart (I am from Galway too so you know exactly what I am talking about) and then point out to these people {politely} that they are where they are because of who they voted for and not holding the politicians in check.
Maybe they would start to care then, in meantime its 20:13 and i still have work to do (hmm in order for more of my hard earned €s to be taxed and wasted)
Elections are only one voice the people have, they have other means of communicating with the THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THEM.
I do agree, they will care eventually. Some point will come where they will care but it is TOO LATE then. It really is.
The time to care was in the past 10 years when we, as an electorate and population could have guided our politicians into making decisions that would stand to use as a country in the long term.
Too late now to be honest - we've all got to pay for the waste. So long as we ALL pay, I have no issues.0 -
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