Rooney not signing a new contract?

Mister men · 18-10-2010 09:55PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

If anyone would consider torres(michael owen the second:rolleyes:) as a good buy, they must expect united to be a mid table team:rolleyes:

Barcelona have the same buying power as blackpool these days, so their out

That only leaves real, city and chelsea who can afford him:mad:

Oh sweet jesus.

#15 · 18-10-2010 10:21PM

niallo27 wrote: »

There was plenty of money floating around then, credit was easy to get, money was flowing, times have changed no one is imune from it, the party can't last forever

No one saying it can.
It's just amusing to see your ilk continue to write off Utd after 20 years of success.

The problems (ie a decline) will come when it's time to replace Ferguson, not before.

syngindub · 18-10-2010 10:32PM

#15 wrote: »

No one saying it can.
It's just amusing to see your ilk continue to write off Utd after 20 years of success.

The problems (ie a decline) will come when it's time to replace Ferguson, not before.

Agreed. This crowd have been calling this decline for the past 10 years. Just because their success after the 80's came to an abrupt end they are assuming the same dramatic fall for utd.

The Muppet · 18-10-2010 10:45PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

If anyone would consider torres(michael owen the second:rolleyes:) as a good buy, they must expect united to be a mid table team:rolleyes:

Ha Ha Torres a Second Michael Owen, I've seen some clueless things posted here but thats one of the better ones. Torres is just coming into his prime, don't let the mediorcrity he is playing with cloud your judgement, When he gets the service he's a top top player. His injury record would eb a worry but I suspect that with proper management/rotation that wouldn 't be the issue it has been to date.

Super-Rush · 18-10-2010 11:09PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

If anyone would consider torres(michael owen the second:rolleyes:) as a good buy, they must expect united to be a mid table team:rolleyes:

Barcelona have the same buying power as blackpool these days, so their out

That only leaves real, city and chelsea who can afford him:mad:

When you finish talking sh1t have a read.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 18-10-2010 11:18PM

super-rush wrote: »

When you finish talking sh1t have a read.

Reading that makes me want to punch something.:mad:

Super-Rush · 18-10-2010 11:22PM

baz2009 wrote: »

Reading that makes me want to punch something.:mad:

I wouldn't be too happy about it myself if i were you. Somethings not right there if it happens.

Paleface · 18-10-2010 11:28PM

super-rush wrote: »

When you finish talking sh1t have a read.

Not looking good. Gill's comment suggests they are unprepared for whatever is going on.

Where are they getting their info from Rooneys side though?

mike65 · 18-10-2010 11:39PM

So then are we about the see the first Utd star player get the better of Fergie? Could be cobblers could be the transfer sensation of the last decade. Yes bigger than Sol Campbell!

jank · 19-10-2010 12:20AM

This story has legs! I would be still surprised to see Ronney at City but there is something definately going on at United behind the scenes. Wendnesday night will tell a lot. Rooney out of the squad? On the bench?

kryogen · 19-10-2010 12:24AM

Since he got rested for the game at West Brom I would assume he will be starting the Champions League game that he was rested for

Mr.Nice Guy · 19-10-2010 12:25AM

This story makes for grim reading if you're a United fan:

£5million will trigger Wayne Rooney’s release from Manchester United

Wayne Rooney can terminate his Manchester United contract next summer under Fifa transfer regulations that would see the club receive only £5m in return.

Under the Webster ruling — named after the former Hearts player Andy Webster who set the precedent — Rooney can buy out the final year of his contract for his current annual salary of £5m plus a relatively small compensation figure.

As dictated by Article 17 of Fifa's transfer rules, it would dramatically reduce his current market value which is closer to £45m.

Rooney's qualification for a Webster ruling transfer has been checked by the Spain-based law firm Ruiz Huerta y Crespo, who have been involved in every major Article 17 case to date. They have confirmed that Rooney could leave United under the rules.

Rooney last entered into a new United contract in November 2006, when he agreed an extension to his existing deal to keep him at the club until the summer of 2012.

Under the ruling a player can walk away from his contract after what Fifa describes in its rules as the “protected period” of that deal has expired. The protected period varies according to a player's age.

If a player is under the age of 28 when signing the deal in question — as Rooney was — the protected period is three years of the contract.

Rooney was 21 in November 2006 when he signed his latest deal meaning that the protected period on his contract ran out in November 2009.

In the summer of this year he had the option to walk away in exchange for two year's salary. He could do the same next summer for one year's salary. The Webster ruling can only be activated in the summer and only after the provision of 15 days' notice in writing.

If United sell Rooney in January, the club would still be able to realise something close to his full value.

United's star player has already rejected an offer of a new contract on around £150,000 a week and holds the whip hand over a club who cannot afford to let him leave for free when his current deal expires in June 2012.

Yesterday the Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti said reporters would have to ask Roman Abramovich “directly” if they wanted to know whether his club were in the market for Rooney.

Real Madrid's sporting director Jorge Valdano said that his club did not have room among all their strikers.

The nightmare scenario for United is that Rooney goes to their neighbours City who, under the ownership of the Abu Dhabi prince Sheikh Mansour, are well capable of making him the highest paid player in the Premier League.

Even worse for United would be to lose their greatest asset for significantly less than his market value.

The complicating issue in Article 17 moves is the precise calculation of the compensation. The first player to invoke Article 17 was the Scotland defender Webster, who left Hearts for Wigan in 2006 after falling out with the Edinburgh club's chairman.

A legal battle ensued, first with Fifa and then in the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), where a ruling set the precedent that a player could break a contract.

The ruling effectively set the amount of compensation to be paid as equal to the total amount of wages left on the player's contract when he walked out, plus a proportion of his original transfer fee, if still applicable.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premiership/5million-will-trigger-wayne-rooneyrsquos-release-from-manchester-united-14980288.html

Lukker- · 19-10-2010 12:27AM

I reckon he'll be on the bench at least. SAF mightn't want to put him in the starting line-up due to his poor form and recent comments. But leaving hime out entirely would send the completely wrong message at this point. Unless Rooney comes out tomorrow and says he wants to end his career at United I doubt he'll start.

kryogen · 19-10-2010 12:27AM

The rule isnt new and is widely known about

They also tried to say Ronaldo was "very likely" to do it

niallo27 · 19-10-2010 12:28AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This story makes for grim reading if you're a United fan:

Could you imagine what wages city would offer him if this went through

Lukker- · 19-10-2010 12:33AM

kryogen wrote: »

The rule isnt new and is widely known about

They also tried to say Ronaldo was "very likely" to do it

But Ronaldo was under contract until 2012 so would had to wait 2 years? If it did go that far, it is would be worrying for United if they hadn't sold him by January and he still hadn't settled by the end of the season. It looks like tricky situation and Fergie and the board are gonna have some tough calls to make.

Mr.Nice Guy · 19-10-2010 12:35AM

kryogen wrote: »

The rule isnt new and is widely known about

They also tried to say Ronaldo was "very likely" to do it

Was Ronaldo entitled to do it? I wasn't actually aware of this ruling until now. The Independent have mentioned it too:

Rooney has options. His contract is up in June 2012 when he could walk away for free. The Fifa "Webster ruling" would permit him to buy out the last year of his contract for little more the equivalent of a year's salary, £5m. Rooney will not have to listen to the phone-ins over the next few days to know the rage and disbelief that will be expressed at his refusal to sign a new contract. He will already have realised what he is about to unleash. But he has spent most of his young life in the eye of one storm or another.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/rooneys-refusal-to-sign-new-deal-comes-down-to-one-thing-cash-2110323.html

This would be a disaster.

niallo27 wrote:

Could you imagine what wages city would offer him if this went through

He'd surely be the highest paid player in the league.

kryogen · 19-10-2010 12:35AM

Depends on your perspective i guess

Le King · 19-10-2010 12:37AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What is then?

There is, but it seems he doesn't want to sign that document. Not really, players who are at clubs they don't want to be tend to under perform.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Huh?! I'm not too up on finance, but common sense dictates that any business which is making huge losses and seemingly unable to reduce it's debt levels is not 'the best run' in the league. Also my brother, who is very clued in regards to financial matters has looked at your accounts and referred to the situation as dire.

Inquitus wrote: »

My Arse, I'd say Spurs are the best run business in the league. Sustainable relatively debt free growth and profitable too.

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs/moneygame.pdf

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

You what?

What's the point in trying to debate this with you guys when clearly you haven't an clue what your talking about.

Manchester United is the best run business in the Premier League and we have been for 20+ years now.

There is not a chance we will go bust.

Mr Alan · 19-10-2010 12:38AM

If he goes it'll be the summer IMO. No ones gonna buy him in jan when he is cup tied and coming off/still on a horrendous run of form. So it'd be the summer, and I sense a fair few Utd fans would be very disappointed at the fee at that time too, one year left on his deal, tarnished reputation for marketing purposes, refusing to sign a new deal.... I think the price could be 'relatively' cheap.

Mr Alan · 19-10-2010 12:42AM

Le King wrote: »

What's the point in trying to debate this with you guys when clearly you haven't an clue what your talking about.

Manchester United is the best run business in the Premier League and we have been for 20+ years now.

There is not a chance we will go bust.

What are the chances of making a dent in your mountain of debt? Or making a profit? Commercially Utd are ran excellently, no doubt, however as a business you don't make a profit and have massive debts you can't afford to repay.

kryogen · 19-10-2010 12:48AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What are the chances of making a dent in your mountain of debt? Or making a profit? Commercially Utd are ran excellently, no doubt, however as a business you don't make a profit and have massive debts you can't afford to repay.

Its not technically true though

As a business Manchester United Football Club is run brilliantly and makes a profit every year, the figures back this up (every year)

Whats this cant afford to repay **** actually?

We are repaying our debts, the debt has been reduced, and will continue to be reduced (slowly of course) until they are wiped once and for all

I am not in the least bit happy with the situation but dont try to paint pictures that arent accurate now

Le King · 19-10-2010 12:56AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

If he goes it'll be the summer IMO. No ones gonna buy him in jan when he is cup tied and coming off/still on a horrendous run of form. So it'd be the summer, and I sense a fair few Utd fans would be very disappointed at the fee at that time too, one year left on his deal, tarnished reputation for marketing purposes, refusing to sign a new deal.... I think the price could be 'relatively' cheap.

If all is lost United will sell him in January and Rooney, if he wants to go, would obviously prefer it to be settled.

Either way we'd fetch £50 Million for him IMO.

I still don't think he'll go at all.

PHB · 19-10-2010 12:58AM

Nor should you, unless you have some sort of magical strategy for dealing with the PIKs that nobody else knows about. A business which has a loan which is growing constantly and has no viable strategy to pay it off? Since when is that a good business, although in these economic times maybe that seems like good business to people. Nonetheless, there's a thread for this sort of thing.

Anyway, in relation to the Rooney situation, if this is all real, and if he does leave, who cares what he goes for? Ultimately it won't be re-invested in the squad and paying off an extra 5 or 15 million worth of debt doesn't really get my juices flowing. The only people that it will matter to are those who think that transfer values reflect a players ability and will want to use it in an argument. Ultimately, Rooney leaving will leave the football team worse off, as there is no way his replacement will be as good.

x in the city · 19-10-2010 01:06AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

If he goes it'll be the summer IMO. No ones gonna buy him in jan when he is cup tied and coming off/still on a horrendous run of form. So it'd be the summer, and I sense a fair few Utd fans would be very disappointed at the fee at that time too, one year left on his deal, tarnished reputation for marketing purposes, refusing to sign a new deal.... I think the price could be 'relatively' cheap.

and a passion for sultry whores wont increase his value much...

Yakult · 19-10-2010 01:13AM

Liverpool to make a sweeping bid for him in January to settle our goal problems..

Chucky the tree · 19-10-2010 01:13AM

Le King wrote: »

What's the point in trying to debate this with you guys when clearly you haven't an clue what your talking about.

Manchester United is the best run business in the Premier League and we have been for 20+ years now.

There is not a chance we will go bust.

I never asked to debate it, I asked you to explain it. Either you can or you can't.

Le King · 19-10-2010 01:17AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I never asked to debate it, I asked you to explain it. Either you can or you can't.

Are you seriously asking me if Net Profit is the deciding figure on a Balance sheet.

You can't be serious.

Chucky the tree · 19-10-2010 01:26AM

Le King wrote: »

Are you seriously asking me if Net Profit is the deciding figure on a Balance sheet.

You can't be serious.

I'm basically asking if net profit isn't the best way to see if a business is doing well then what is?What makes United the best run football club from a business perspective?

OPENROAD · 19-10-2010 01:35AM

kryogen wrote: »

Its not technically true though

As a business Manchester United Football Club is run brilliantly and makes a profit every year, the figures back this up (every year)

Whats this cant afford to repay **** actually?

We are repaying our debts, the debt has been reduced, and will continue to be reduced (slowly of course) until they are wiped once and for all

I am not in the least bit happy with the situation but dont try to paint pictures that arent accurate now

Is that not an operating profit?

Rooney not signing a new contract?

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