ISP's Locking down Internet Content IRELAND

Any source, no?

Edit - Oh wait you're just rambling about nonsense.

mikerowsopht wrote: »

As I work in IT I know all the ways around this problem

Real penis > E-penis

You work in IT? Right...

Not going to happen, ever.

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I disagree, I think it will happen eventually, not soon but eventually.
Obviously I am in the same boat as you guys and don't want this to happen.

When cars first came out there was no traffic, no traffic lights, no speed limits, no drink driving etc etc...

Like I said all it would take is 1 big court case to win and if it comes to law then the ISP's won't have a choice.

If it happened all they would have to do is block the ports the program uses, block all torrent and porn sites and block all web proxy sites.
It could be done, don't think it couldn't.
All that's stopping this from happening is law.
It could also be done at the route of where all the isp's get their connection from.

obvioulsy I would purchase broadband account in Switzerland and do all my "downloading" there and then download what I've downloaded over there to my connection using an encrypted FTP connection or something like that.

The reason I started this thread was because of this one which really pi$$ed me off. Bono ur crap anyway

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056061844

But No I don't agree with any of it. But IT WILL happen

2 yrs
10 yrs
50 yrs

it will happen

right. because even if a law as ridiculous as that was passed, nobody would protest against it?

Sometimes I think with the standard of discussion you sometimes get on the Internet, blocking it mightnt be a bad thing...



mikerowsopht:

I think you are right to be concerned.

I'd like to think that if something awful like the Holocaust was going on today in a country like Germany, someone would leak the details on the Internet; and it wouldn't come as a shock to the world - and arguably to most germans - years later. Maybe people would have stopped it sooner.



This leaking could happen, because the Internet was designed in a very open way, largely due to an accident of history. The core protocols were written by researchers (often grad students), rather than business people, or government departments. It just got much bigger than the people funding it ever thought it would.

We now have this global communications medium that anyone can put content on, with no filtering or control. That is pretty remarkable, and was a hugely democratising change. Previously, if you wanted to put your message where a lot of people could see it, you needed enough resources to get on TV. Now, you can just upload to youtube.

There is no central control hierarchy that first approves your content.
That is a huge shift. It has changed how politics works, how discussion works, how we relate to each other - it is a large social force. With an open internet, its much harder for people in dodgy regimes to get away with dodgy things, without anyone knowing. The traditional model of many dictatorships where you can control the flow of information and hide the bad **** going on, is now much harder.

Clearly there are bad sides. People have a vehicle to distribute things they really shouldn't. I'd like to think that the good outweigh the bad, and that when you make humans more free to express themselves, you'll get more good expression than bad expression.



That said, there are a lot of interest groups that don't like an open internet.

It fundamentally clashes with the political worldview of media moguls like Rupert Murdoch. Guys like that set out to put a strangehold on the flow of information. They don't want to acquire 1 newspaper, or TV station, to get across their point of view - they want to own them all, so that the only point of view available is their own.
And guys like Murdoch then use this influence, to alter politics.

This isn't a conspiracy theory - its just how business works in a lot of countries - look at the UK headlines before general elections, for example.


Anyway, interests like big media moguls don't like the open internet, at all. The recording industries, likewise.

Many of these groups were caught off guard by how quickly the internet grew and gained popularity.
They've been trying to catch up, and to find a strategy to force it to be regulated. Their first few strategies failed, but they are adapting and learning. They are well resourced and smart, and are gaining ground.

The recent '3 strikes' case of UPC was a setback, in an Irish context; but the fact is that '3 strikes' legislation is slowly being adopted across Europe. One of the main Irish ISPs (Eircom) has adopted it. This is a real move towards a regulated internet.

People that don't see this as a big change, or that write this straight off, are, frequently, muppets. Most people are frogs easily boiled.


It is quite possible that the business interests in favour of an open Internet will win out against those against. But its not at all a foregone conclusion. So far, the recoding industries have proven very effective lobbyists; Murdoch style media moguls certainly know that game too.



From a technological point of view, as long as you can get an encrypted (or steg'd) channel out to an arbitrary IP, you can establish a dark net. It is pretty much impossible to stop this, with the current architecture of the Internet.
However, you can and can't do theoretically, technologically, doesn't matter as much as what the average use is able to do.


Its probably possible to filter the internet enough, in practice, that Joe Bloggs uses a fully regulated internet. Really, thats what the discussion must hinge on.


Things might be fine, maybe business interests that want an open internet will outweigh the ones that don't. But its worth keeping an eye on. The enactment of the 3 strikes laws aren't a good start.

Seems to me someone has been tooting too much on the ol' wacky tobaccy and reading Orwell's 1985 too much.

There's the same chance of me pulling Jennifer Connelly as this happening.....................it could in 2, 5, 10, 50 years......................but it never will.