E(&)Soc

eagleye7 · 28-09-2010 11:56PM

I think i lost a little hope for the future of humanity today when I heard the cheering from the hub for the "Enterprise Challenge", I really thought people in DCU had some sense, but I suppose its not that much of a surprise.

What I dont understand is how any student organization could be permitted to run an event like an iron stomach challenge. Im involved in the airsoft society, and in order to have our harmless, unworking and technically toy guns around on campus to drum up a bit of interest for orientation week we had to completely assure security and the health and safety office that we were being responsible and safety conscious adults with some common sense. From all ive heard thats not how i would describe the new Esoc.

OrionsBelt · 29-09-2010 12:28AM

eagleye7 wrote: »

I think i lost a little hope for the future of humanity today when I heard the cheering from the hub for the "Enterprise Challenge", I really thought people in DCU had some sense, but I suppose its not that much of a surprise.

One can only hope that they were naive 1st years who don't know about the pointlessness of ESoc and who don't know about the fact that they were originally disbanded for stealing money

lithiumoxide · 29-09-2010 01:48AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

Why do people on boards have such a problem with the society? I mean, I know have no interest in an Iron Stomach competition, but equally I have no interest in a fashion show, going to a musical or playing Rugby but I don't really have much of a problem with those societies?

Style Society run a fashion show.
Drama Society go to plays and musicals.
The Rugby Club play rugby.
Enterprise Society poison themselves with a concoction of food and drink, vomit everywhere, then present the "winner" with their weight in booze.

Well done, ESoc. You've really outdone yourselves. *clap*

public_enemy · 29-09-2010 05:01AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

Why do people on boards have such a problem with the society? I mean, I know have no interest in an Iron Stomach competition, but equally I have no interest in a fashion show, going to a musical or playing Rugby but I don't really have much of a problem with those societies?

Agreed. This is along the lines of what I was trying to say earlier. Most societies and the activities they get money for are pretty damn trivial when you think about it. I really never thought before I started college that I could be part of groups that would receive official funding just to sit around and play videogames or watch movies, but there you go. I don't see E-Soc's aims as being any more trivial than any other soc.

My only worry is that there's been precious little information from the SPC about the process of their approval in the wake of the disbandment of a very similar society... But assuming this was all above board, then as long as they're not receiving SPC funding for it and they're not breaking any rules, there should be no issue with them running an event that isn't directly related to their core activites. They're just as entitled to run an iron stomach competition as the Rugby Club are to have their toga party, or Snowboarding are to run beer pong tournaments.

Green Hand Guy · 29-09-2010 07:31AM

eagleye7 wrote: »

What I dont understand is how any student organization could be permitted to run an event like an iron stomach challenge. Im involved in the airsoft society, and in order to have our harmless, unworking and technically toy guns around on campus to drum up a bit of interest for orientation week we had to completely assure security and the health and safety office that we were being responsible and safety conscious adults with some common sense. From all ive heard thats not how i would describe the new Esoc.

Seems to be the same policy the SPC applied for three years: E&S don't have to follow the rules :rolleyes:

I think that alone forms the basis of why people don't like them. They had two chairs, they were told this wasn't allowed by the SPC constitution. They continued to have two chairs. Other societies get in trouble and receive fines if they put posters or stickers on painted walls. I've never heard of this happening to E&S.

They steal credit for things that they didn't organise, like when they posted videos online of "The E&S Summer Ball" (The DCU Summer Ball) and "The E&S Business Fair" (Which was a business school event they just showed up to)

They also continually step on the toes of other societies.

On Clubs and Socs day (last year's I think, though it might have been the year before) they apparently were telling people not to bother joining paintballing because they could go paintballing with E&S.

They bring in video-games for events, despite the fact there's already a society for that.

When I had the Venue booked for a play a couple of years back, they asked if they could use it for a few hours in the morning. I said "yes," as long as they cleaned up after themselves. Not only did they not clean up, they broke and stole our props and didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist from the SPC.

All of this on top of stealing that money last year! Every society makes mistakes, but no other is so clearly run by utter bastards. And these incidents have occurred over three years, under different committees, so I'm sure you can all understand my skepticism about ESoc being different because of the "new people"

lithiumoxide · 29-09-2010 10:43AM

I'm not seeing much evidence to show that they are, in fact, a new group of people.

Who was on the E&S committee? Who is on the ESoc committee? Are their constitutions online?

Daysha · 29-09-2010 12:31PM

Guys I'm not letting this become an ESoc bashing contest, that's not the point of this thread. I let this open so there could be some clarity on why they were approved from the SLC, not so you can all point and laugh at some of their events.

I heard some mumblings this week that, constitutionally, neither the SU or SLC could find a reason NOT to approve the society, even though they knew when the application was made that it was basically E&S Part 2.

I don't really care about E&S or this new ESoc. I never felt the need to join them but I'm not going to treat them with the same disdain that other people here do. I just find this whole thing a bit strange that, even though the committee's knew it was a re-application by ESoc who are the same to ESoc in everything but name, they couldn't find any official way to reject them.

myk · 29-09-2010 12:35PM

Daysha wrote: »

Guys I'm not letting this become an ESoc bashing contest, that's not the point of this thread. I let this open so there could be some clarity on why they were approved from the SLC, not so you can all point and laugh at some of their events.

I heard some mumblings this week that, constitutionally, neither the SU or SLC could find a reason NOT to approve the society, even though they knew when the application was made that it was basically E&S Part 2.

I don't really care about E&S or this new ESoc. I never felt the need to join them but I'm not going to treat them with the same disdain that other people here do. I just find this whole thing a bit strange that, even though the committee's knew it was a re-application by ESoc who are the same to ESoc in everything but name, they couldn't find any official way to reject them.

The SPC (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) have descretion on these matters. They don't need specific constitutional provisions in order to not approve societies. They don't need to approve all societies that apply.

I do agree that this thread has gotten very bitchy and petty though.

Nanaki · 29-09-2010 02:17PM

did I hear correctly that they're in hot water over not having a paramedic at their event in the hub this week?

TheChrisD · 29-09-2010 04:10PM

Green Hand Guy wrote: »

They also continually step on the toes of other societies.

On Clubs and Socs day (last year's I think, though it might have been the year before) they apparently were telling people not to bother joining paintballing because they could go paintballing with E&S.

They bring in video-games for events, despite the fact there's already a society for that.

This is pretty much the main issue I had with the old E&S, as they basically tried to bully other dedicated societies out of members by catering to them themselves.

I can't say the same about the new ESoc yet!, since I am yet to see a proper website, any posters or anything else about them. I just shudder to think what they're going to be like on Clubs and Socs Days.

Speaking of that, did they turn up to the SLC meeting today?

Katniss everMean · 29-09-2010 05:25PM

SPC meeting was today, does anyone know how that went?

eagleye7 · 29-09-2010 07:42PM

Angelkat7 wrote: »

SPC meeting was today, does anyone know how that went?

In relation to Esoc? From what i saw there was two people there from them, no big deal. They got a table like anyone else.

Slightly off topic, the raffle system for tables and the opening of the old bar seem to me to be good moves for all involved. The meeting itself cut out a lot of the crap usually present, they introduced the CLC and SLC and told each committee member to meet their rep if they hadnt.

29-09-2010 07:54PM

So, where are the SLC minutes and constitution?

Cn. · 30-09-2010 10:25AM

I just came across this 'esoc bashers forum' when I was looking up 'esoc since I heard such great things about it and since I plan on going to DCU.to be honest,I know alot about it including the stupid mistake that ONE person made by taking some money. Ive also heard brilliant things about them and the things they do.
I can't believe the childishness of some of you posters...saying that they bully people into joining..?you DO realise this whole page is evidence of bullying these apparently "ugg boot wearing orange skins" how immature are you?say it to their faces instead of hiding behind a username,get a life!

After reading how horrible you are being to a fellow society I am Seriously rethinking my decision to go to DCU.
And slagging them about doing iron stomach because it's not businessy enough for you?have a laugh for gods sake,your in college!not everything has to be taken so seriously!people paid,people went,people won prizes.maybe you should take some tips from this society,after all,it is one of the biggest in DCU.
And giving out to them for having a ps3 game as a prize because there is a gamer society?seriously?!?!maybe if that society thought of giving out free games,'esoc wouldn't have to do it and gamers would have more members.you may aswell say socs can't give out chocolate bars because thers a chocolate sock.you guys are sooo immature.

30-09-2010 11:09AM

Cn. wrote: »

be honest,I know alot about it including the stupid mistake that ONE person made by taking some money.

An entire committee was guilty of this; that's why the old E&S society was shut down by the SPC.

Cn. wrote:

Ive also heard brilliant things about them and the things they do.
I can't believe the childishness of some of you posters...saying that they bully people into joining..?

I think bullying is an inappropriate term to describe it, but they do apparently encroach on the activities of other societies, and apparently actively encourage people to join them instead of those which exist to cater to particular interests.

Cn. wrote:

you DO realise this whole page is evidence of bullying these apparently "ugg boot wearing orange skins" how immature are you?say it to their faces instead of hiding behind a username,get a life!

I'm sure many people do say it to their faces. I know I have, multiple times, not for any reason other than the fact that they irritate me. However, you are wrong in your assertion that speaking about them in less-than-charitable terms on the Internet is bullying - it is not. In fact, saying it to their faces is more in line with bullying.

Cn. wrote:

After reading how horrible you are being to a fellow society I am Seriously rethinking my decision to go to DCU.

Perhaps you do not understand that there are two societies in question here: E&S and E-Soc. E&S is the target of much legitimate criticism. E-Soc's controversy mostly surrounds the fact that it is a clone of the former, and people are apprehensive about what it means if a society can be disbanded forcefully and then just rebrand itself with a new committee the next year. As the new society will have many of the same members, some of the concerns about E&S are spilling over to apply to this new incarnation.

Cn. wrote:

And slagging them about doing iron stomach because it's not businessy enough for you?

I think people are 'slagging' them because their goals and events are advertised as being business-oriented, when this is obviously false. The society seems to have no real aims, or at least none that they intend on adhering to in any way. This is why I described it earlier as a 'piss-take' society.

Cn. wrote:

have a laugh for gods sake,your in college!not everything has to be taken so seriously!people paid,people went,people won prizes.maybe you should take some tips from this society,after all,it is one of the biggest in DCU.

The argument from popularity doesn't lend any credibility to your point. E-Soc are popular because E&S were popular, and it is all thanks to a lot of corporate sponsorship and events like the Iron Stomach competition. I am not saying this is bad, but you will see that while the society has a lot of members, it won't actually do much for them. If you had been around DCU for the E&S years, you'd know that.

Cn. wrote:

And giving out to them for having a ps3 game as a prize because there is a gamer society?seriously?!?!

Nope. The biggest problem here is that E&S hauled gaming stands into DCU on multiple occasions to attract members with flashiness and a superficial image of being 'fun' and 'cool', despite the existence of the Games Society which caters for gamers of all kinds.

Cn. wrote:

maybe if that society thought of giving out free games,'esoc wouldn't have to do it and gamers would have more members.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Games Soc won Best Society for 2008/2009 and has been gaining more and more members every year. It is, by far, a superior society. It does give out free games quite often as prizes for tournaments. But try to understand that societies have limited funds and cannot afford to throw flashy sh!t at people to order to reel members in. During my time on the Games Soc and RedBrick committees, we had to get by with what we had, and couldn't just ring up our pals in EA or Red Bull to haul in all kinds of excessive crap for the sole purpose of becoming the biggest society.

Cn. wrote:

you guys are sooo immature.

From the person who criticises posters without knowing how societies work, does not understand the circumstances surrounding E&S's disbandment and has an inept grasp of basic grammar and punctuation? The ironing is delicious. :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Pygmalion · 30-09-2010 12:38PM

Cn. wrote: »

After reading how horrible you are being to a fellow society I am Seriously rethinking my decision to go to DCU.

I'm sure the university will somehow get by without you.

myk · 30-09-2010 12:41PM

Pygmalion wrote: »

I'm sure the university will somehow get by without you.

You mean a one post user who claims not to be from the college, but is happy to take the side of one society and make declarations about other societies on campus

lithiumoxide · 30-09-2010 01:04PM

myk wrote: »

You mean a one post user who claims not to be from the college, but is happy to take the side of one society and make declarations about other societies on campus

I call fake account set up by an E&S fan!

Green Hand Guy · 30-09-2010 01:14PM

lithiumoxide wrote: »

I call fake account set up by an E&S fan!

Max Rantz McDonald seeking revenge from beyond the grave! :P

TheChrisD · 30-09-2010 01:29PM

So I'm still yet to see a proper constitution from these guys. Nor any decent communication method bar their Facebook profile (which is totally supposed to be a group or page).

Also, I'm not too entirely sure that their poster advertising is all that great. I see very little to do with entrepreneurship on the Iron Stomach poster, rather I see them trying to entice people with free pizza and Red Bull. Oh, and they seem to have stolen EA back:
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Cn. wrote: »

I just came across this 'esoc bashers forum' when I was looking up 'esoc since I heard such great things about it and since I plan on going to DCU.

Correction: you registered pretending to be a new student with the entire intention of blindly defending whatever society is being debated in this forum. Happens every time a thread like this comes up.

lithiumoxide wrote: »

I call fake account set up by an E&S fan!

+1

DCUdcu · 30-09-2010 03:24PM

'Piss take society' - Try again... E&S brought in the biggest names of any soicety in DCU raised the most amount for charity (through the 104 hour challenege in Clearys shop window, a now yearly event which raised over €40,000 alone last year) and gave DCU more media than anyother DCU society...

TheChrisD · 30-09-2010 03:30PM

DCUdcu wrote: »

raised the most amount for charity (through the 104 hour challenege in Clearys shop window, a now yearly event which raised over €40,000 alone last year)

Oh just because they got their name alongisde an FM104 promotion, they now raise the most for charity which I don't think even went to the RAG week charities?

DCUdcu · 30-09-2010 03:52PM

"Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Games Soc won Best Society for 2008/2009 and has been gaining more and more members every year. It is, by far, a superior society. It does give out free games quite often as prizes for tournaments. But try to understand that societies have limited funds and cannot afford to throw flashy sh!t at people to order to reel members in. During my time on the Games Soc and RedBrick committees, we had to get by with what we had, and couldn't just ring up our pals in EA or Red Bull to haul in all kinds of excessive crap for the sole purpose of becoming the biggest society."

In response to the above quote and the wording 'far superior society' its nearly laughable that a bunch of greasy haired, gothic CA students this their society is superior !

Its a shame Red Brick and Games Soc haven't got the social or communication skills let alone hygiene to impress on the people in the outside world to bring the brands in and thus help their society. Jealousy is sh!t isn't it....

Una Redmond for president !

Green Hand Guy · 30-09-2010 04:21PM

Obvious troll is obvious.

Also, I'm guessing, he's none other than that Cn. guy again under a different account. Can mods confirm?

Pygmalion · 30-09-2010 04:24PM

DCUdcu wrote: »

Its a shame Red Brick

It's one word.
You should be insulting "RedBrick", not "Red Brick"

30-09-2010 04:27PM

DCUdcu wrote: »

In response to the above quote and the wording 'far superior society' its nearly laughable that a bunch of greasy haired, gothic CA students this their society is superior !

That shiny Best Society trophy begs to differ. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion that all CA students have greasy hair and are gothic? I would like to review your data. And there I was, foolishly thinking that business students were meant to be capable statisticians. I would say that perhaps less than 1% of said students fit this profile.

Now, I'm a fan of the scientific method, so I think it would be both educational and important for us to conduct a rigorously-controlled survey on the number of E-Soc members who:

Wear fake tan (including the frequency of streaks and orange palms).
Own Ugg boots (including in summer).
Scored less than 300 points in the Leaving Certificate.
Have any scientific aptitude beyond basic mathematics.
Have any career prospects other than: banking, secretarial work or working in daddy's company.
Have their tuition paid for by doddy's plotinum cord, roysh?

Who wants to take bets on the outcome? I bet they'll be, like, totally focking awesome. >90%, perhaps?

Note how I am not targetting business students as a whole; unlike you, I am capable of recognising that, while CA students comprise a majority of RedBrick and Games Soc members, they are not synonymous.

DCUdcu wrote:

Its a shame Red Brick and Games Soc haven't got the social or communication skills let alone hygiene to impress on the people in the outside world to bring the brands in and thus help their society.

Those two societies are remarkably successful with very little support from big brands. E&S/E-Soc, however, rely solely on corporate sponsorship because they don't have anything else.

DCUdcu wrote:

Jealousy is sh!t isn't it....

I think you mean envy. There's a difference. Games Soc and RedBrick are hardly envious of anyone.

Green Hand Guy · 30-09-2010 04:29PM

DCUdcu wrote: »

Its a shame Red Brick and Games Soc haven't got the social or communication skills let alone hygiene to impress on the people in the outside world to bring the brands in and thus help their society.

Also, I find it odd the man from the society that had a vomiting contest is questioning other peoples' hygiene...

maKuntz · 30-09-2010 05:26PM

I'm not a member of E-Soc and would like to know what opportunities they bring to the table for me as a student. I have a slight interest in business and don't do a businesss degree. How will this society benefit me? The Entrepreneurial challenge wasn't really what I expected but I hope that was just a slightly over the top event to catch the young "jackass" generation of first years and provide them with educational opportunities in a fun and exciting way. I don't really mind getting drunk, we all do, so I'd be up for a few sessions. Why should I join basically?

maKuntz · 30-09-2010 05:31PM

Also, do they hand out free E's at E-soc. sure as **** looked like it.

Noodleworm · 30-09-2010 06:55PM

I'm on the gamessoc committee

I wish we had the connections E soc do..
I spend half my time emailing Gamestop/Game/EA Games/ Xbox looking for ANYTHING for our members.

E(&)Soc

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