Sexual Harassment.... eh, YEAH of course!

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2010 02:47PM

liah wrote: »

Yes, but you're effectively excusing the behaviour of the men by saying if she hadn't dressed that way they wouldn't have reacted that way. They shouldn't have reacted that way, period.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but it's the excuses you're making that I don't think are fair.

We all make judgements based on appearances, the amount of times I have heard women call other women sluts and lots of other names because of how they were dressed is simply too many for me to even guess at.

Im not excusing the behaviour but i am saying that we all know that people treat us differently depending on how we present ourselves. She was clearly presenting herself in a sexual manner, or her dress sense suggests that.

liah · 15-09-2010 02:48PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

We all make judgements based on appearances, the amount of times I have heard women call other women sluts and lots of other names because of how they were dressed is simply too many for me to even guess at.

Im not excusing the behaviour but i am saying that we all know that people treat us differently depending on how we present ourselves. She was clearly presenting herself in a sexual manner, or her dress sense suggests that.

Yep. I agree. She was.

Why does that excuse the men's behaviour? They were in their workplace, too.

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2010 02:53PM

liah wrote: »

Yep. I agree. She was.

Why does that excuse the men's behaviour? They were in their workplace, too.

I said it doesnt but we cant take her out of this discussion and just discuss the men in isolation they reacted inappropriately to her innappropriate attire.

A whole lot of things wrong here and its not just the players fault.

If i instigate a fight through abuse and then get beaten up the people who do it are wrong but i also created the situation, thats very similiar to this. Yes, no?

Edit: Im not advocating the she deserved it defense for rape or serious sexual harrasment cases but in this instance of a few cat calls and suggestive sentences i will. This is the role this women played to!

Procasinator · 15-09-2010 02:55PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I said it doesnt but we cant take her out of this discussion and just discuss the men in isolation they reacted inappropriately to her innappropriate attire.

A whole lot of things wrong here and its not just the players fault.

If i instigate a fight through abuse and then get beaten up the people who do it are wrong but i also created the situation, thats very similiar to this. Yes, no?

No, but we can keep up with bad analogies.

I leave my front door open, and I get robbed. I clearly made it easy for someone to rob me, doesn't mean the person who did had any right too or lessens what they did.

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2010 02:57PM

Procasinator wrote: »

No, but we can keep up with bad analogies.

I leave my front door open, and I get robbed. I clearly made it easy for someone to rob me, doesn't mean the person who did had any right too or lessens what they did.

Im not sure if its breaking and entering if the door is open, can someone with a legal mind clarify?

mikom · 15-09-2010 02:57PM

Thrill wrote: »

would a man be allowed to have the following images on a wall at work?

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/6278/ines_sainz2.jpg

Lol at the bunny in the background.

Banned Account · 15-09-2010 02:58PM

Procasinator wrote: »

No, but we can keep up with bad analogies.

I leave my front door open, and I get robbed. I clearly made it easy for someone to rob me, doesn't mean the person who did had any right too or lessens what they did.

Is there a difference between acting in a way that's likely to provoke and a passive action though?

That said, analogies quickly descend into the absurd.

MrDarcy · 15-09-2010 03:00PM

liah wrote: »

Yes, but you're effectively excusing the behaviour of the men by saying if she hadn't dressed that way they wouldn't have reacted that way. They shouldn't have reacted that way, period.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but it's the excuses you're making that I don't think are fair.

Yeah I agree they shouldn't have.

And you not having more of an issue with that reporter crying wolf when she is obviously determined to use her enhanced breasts and her artifically flirtatious manner, to draw as much attention to herself as is possible for one reason and one reason only, which is the furtherance of her own career, is allowing people like her to portray all women as inherently dumb c*nt's who cannot get forward with their careers on the normal basis of utilising factors such as work ethic, intelligence, education, understanding and specific knowledge of the respective field/industry, drive, passion, etc.

On the basis of her behaviour in that interview, I'd have a diminished opinion of women in general, it absolutely smacks of impropriety and crying wolf, any self respecting woman should be distancing herself from that kind of prepubsecent behaviour that diminishes the real abilities of women in the eyes of men. She is doing all of you a great disservice with what she is at.

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2010 03:03PM

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

Is there a difference between acting in a way that's likely to provoke and a passive action though?

That said, analogies quickly descend into the absurd.

I know they do but when discussing something like sexual harrasment which is open to a persons interpertation what else can i do to undertand the situation.

I mean at no point was this woman in danger or made to feel she was at risk.
Yes the men may not have acted like adults should, but we have all been guilty of overstepping the mark with comments that could either be construed as racist or sexist or harrasment if taken out of context like this whole situation is.

phill106 · 15-09-2010 03:04PM

Anyone find it odd that she is complaining about sexual harrasment she did not even hear/witness? Other colleagues told her it happened after the fact.
She was not present to be harassed.
So what it boils down to is the jets are no longer allowed to express their admiration for a woman, except quietly in the depths of their thoughts.
Down with that sort of thing...

liah · 15-09-2010 03:08PM

Upon watching the video again, it really isn't coming off to me as though she's "making eyes" at the reporter. Her body language seems friendly, but doesn't come across as sexual imho.

Yeah, the tits are out, but other than that her outfit in the interview doesn't seem particularly whorish. Her makeup and hair is standard over there and again, doesn't seem particularly provocative. Her jeans in the photo are tight but jesus she can't help her arse.

Lothaar v2 · 15-09-2010 03:09PM

Umm... was I the only one that noticed she spent the entire interview explaining that she DIDN'T accuse anyone of sexual harassment?

But I'm enjoying this thread, so let's keep pretending that didn't happen.

Dudess · 15-09-2010 03:14PM

ilovemybrick wrote: »

Sexism - no cant have that.

Um, no... can't have that indeed - against either gender.

Being needlessly offensive - arah sure thats ok. I'm making a point.

Yeah, the idiots who called me jealous/bitter/unattractive/man-hating apropos NOTHING were indeed being needlessly offensive, yep.

phill106 wrote: »

So what it boils down to is the jets are no longer allowed to express their admiration for a woman, except quietly in the depths of their thoughts.
Down with that sort of thing...

Love how it has been said repeatedly there is nothing wrong with a man expressing his admiration for a woman, just that he do it with a bit of decorum and in a way that doesn't make her feel uncomfortable. She SAID she felt uncomfortable, but it's far more fun to gloss over facts for the sake of a bit of searching for women being feminazis when they're not.

MrDarcy · 15-09-2010 03:15PM

liah wrote: »

Upon watching the video again, it really isn't coming off to me as though she's "making eyes" at the reporter. Her body language seems friendly, but doesn't come across as sexual imho.

Yeah, the tits are out, but other than that her outfit in the interview doesn't seem particularly whorish. Her makeup and hair is standard over there and again, doesn't seem particularly provocative. Her jeans in the photo are tight but jesus she can't help her arse.

Her t*ts are out and all over the studio, to the point where her nipples are almost visible and she doesn't appear to be even wearing a bra. Her body language towards the interviewer is undoubtably flirtatious and at the same time she appears to be suffering from Peter Pan Syndrome in my opinion.

Procasinator · 15-09-2010 03:15PM

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

Is there a difference between acting in a way that's likely to provoke and a passive action though?

That said, analogies quickly descend into the absurd.

It's why I said bad analogies. :P

But does it matter? You could say that a girl was being naive to dress that way, or that a person was silly to leave their door open. It doesn't change the fact.

My opinion:
In the situation at hand, from what I can gather (I have no headphones at work atm), the girl got cat-whistled and some further remarks were made when she was not present. It was very immature behaviour from the team.

However, I assume she doesn't work for the NY Jets and so I don't think this (or at least should not be) in the realm of sexual harassment, at least not in the legal sense.

The NY Jets might want to consider themselves if they should have a better/more enforced code of conduct, of the NFL upper management, but again this independent from the reporter.

It is a different story when someone is harassed by fellow colleagues.

phill106 · 15-09-2010 03:16PM

Dudess wrote: »

Um, no... can't have that indeed - against either gender.

Yeah, the idiots who called me jealous/bitter/unattractive/man-hating apropos NOTHING were indeed being needlessly offensive, yep.

Love how it has been said repeatedly there is nothing wrong with a man expressing his admiration for a woman, just that he do it with a bit of decorum and in a way that doesn't make her feel uncomfortable. She SAID she felt uncomfortable, but it's far more fun to gloss over facts for the sake of a bit of searching for women being feminazis when they're not.

She said she felt uncomfortable after she was told about it. Hearsay.

mikom · 15-09-2010 03:16PM

liah wrote: »

Yeah, the tits are out, Her jeans in the photo are tight but jesus she can't help her arse.

*Gets out of bed*
*Remember that you have a onscreen interview on that sexual harassment incident today*

"Hmmm, what will I wear?"
"Decisions decisions"
"I know...... I'll wear my tits out shirt and tight jeans"

The woman is an idiot.
She topped it all off with a Zoolander pout at the end of the interview.

RobbieTheRobber · 15-09-2010 03:20PM

Dudess wrote: »

Love how it has been said repeatedly there is nothing wrong with a man expressing his admiration for a woman, just that he do it with a bit of decorum and in a way that doesn't make her feel uncomfortable. She SAID she felt uncomfortable, but it's far more fun to gloss over facts for the sake of a bit of searching for women being feminazis when they're not.

Instead we are searching for any way to show all men are sexual predators when well eh were not.

She felt uncomfortable aw the poor girl, was the level of comfort in anyway related to her top being sized too small?

I know when i wear clothes that dont fit i feel uncomfortable.

Zulu · 15-09-2010 03:21PM

This thread got the gay about 10pages back.
Shame on you all!

Banned Account · 15-09-2010 03:25PM

Zulu wrote: »

This thread got the gay about 10pages back.
Shame on you all!

It was turned gay by the feminists - they're always doing that

/gets coat and runs ...

phill106 · 15-09-2010 03:25PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

She felt uncomfortable aw the poor girl, was the level of comfort in anyway related to her top being sized too small?

Was it too small? Or just the right size.....

Wompa1 · 15-09-2010 03:34PM

So what is the verdict? The Men shouldn't have been so immature and the woman shouldn't go into the mens locker room with her bits and peices spilling out?

Glad everyone agrees. Lets eat some cake!

Banned Account · 15-09-2010 03:39PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Lets eat some cake!

Cake

> Buns

BUNS!!!

YOU WANT TO EAT HER BUNS!!!!!!! YOU ANIMAL!!!!!!!!

consultech · 15-09-2010 03:55PM

Yawn. Feminists gonn' feminate.

Wafer-thin digging attempt based on apparently mis-construed semantics/choice of words liah. Shame on our neanderthalic brains for not possessing the God-given female ESP required to read past the actual words you actually wrote.

"I post in an unadulterated style... first thing that comes into my head... yada yada yada" ... Yawn once more. Yeah, that's apparently exactly what you did when you explicitly said "men". It was just unfortunate for your point that it was quoted and contested before you could edit it.

As far as the issue at hand goes:

Yawn one final time.

- Improperly-dressed (renowned) attention whore goes into a dressing room full of half naked sports stars
- Gets the desired attention she clearly craves, and presumably gets every week
- Makes no complaint of it until another woman takes offence
- Feigns offence to further her career/protect her public respect as a woman
- Appears on TV discussing said "sexual harrassment" wearing similarly inappropriate attire and behaving in a flirtatious manner

Feeona · 15-09-2010 04:25PM

TheRiddler wrote: »

I do not see this ending well

I don't know about that....it looks like it's going REALLY well :pac:

Banned Account · 15-09-2010 04:27PM

Feeona wrote: »

I don't know about that....it looks like it's going REALLY well :pac:

I agree with ya toots

Dudess · 15-09-2010 05:01PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Instead we are searching for any way to show all men are sexual predators when well eh were not.

She felt uncomfortable aw the poor girl, was the level of comfort in anyway related to her top being sized too small?

Where the fuk did anyone say all men are predators? So desperate to find evidence of man-hating you'll resort to blatant lying...?
And she said she was made to feel uncomfortable by the guys acting like baboons towards her, as you know.

consultech wrote: »

Yawn. Feminists gonn' feminate.

Wafer-thin digging attempt based on apparently mis-construed semantics/choice of words liah. Shame on our neanderthalic brains for not possessing the God-given female ESP required to read past the actual words you actually wrote.

"I post in an unadulterated style... first thing that comes into my head... yada yada yada" ... Yawn once more. Yeah, that's apparently exactly what you did when you explicitly said "men". It was just unfortunate for your point that it was quoted and contested before you could edit it.

As far as the issue at hand goes:

Yawn one final time.

- Improperly-dressed (renowned) attention whore goes into a dressing room full of half naked sports stars
- Gets the desired attention she clearly craves, and presumably gets every week
- Makes no complaint of it until another woman takes offence
- Feigns offence to further her career/protect her public respect as a woman
- Appears on TV discussing said "sexual harrassment" wearing similarly inappropriate attire and behaving in a flirtatious manner

Strange how you thanked the posts referring to me as unattractive/jealous/bitter for siding with her... how could I be any of those if I sided with her?

Some of you don't even know what you're saying/thanking on this thread...

ilovemybrick · 15-09-2010 05:21PM

Dudess wrote: »

Where the fuk did anyone say all men are predators? So desperate to find evidence of man-hating you'll resort to blatant lying...?
And she said she was made to feel uncomfortable by the guys acting like baboons towards her, as you know.

Strange how you thanked the posts referring to me as unattractive/jealous/bitter for siding with her... how could I be any of those if I sided with her?

Some of you don't even know what you're saying/thanking on this thread...

There is a certain kind of hypocrisy that is necessary for you to believe that your defence of this "reporter's" behavior is in fact a feminist one. If I see an attention seeking man, dressing and behaving like a sexualised piece of meat that does not make me want to jump to his defence. All it does is makes me think he is an idiot.

It seems as if you jump to this "reporter's" defence simply because you do believe she is being harassed. Its a perception issue, which this "reporter" is playing well, to get her name and image (mainly her overtly sexualised image) out to further audiences.

Either way, be it feminists defending her right to dress like a whore, or men defending their right to treat her like a whore (I am not insinuating that this is correct or that people should do this) everybody is playing exactly the part that she wanted them to play in this situation.

fedor.2. · 15-09-2010 05:23PM

dudess shouldn't you be making your fellas dinner around now?, head off there love and let the men get back to business.

15-09-2010 05:35PM

phill106 wrote: »

Anyone find it odd that she is complaining about sexual harrasment she did not even hear/witness? Other colleagues told her it happened after the fact.

The whole interview was her saying "I am not making complaints, someone else started this"

Sexual Harassment.... eh, YEAH of course!

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