Is The U.S.A the most extreme Terrorist nation?

Banned Account · 10-09-2010 10:16AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Protection from whom, pray tell? The "Reds under the bed"?, "Swine flu"?, "The Nazis"?, "The Viet Cong"? Who? Who is a threat to Ireland that we need this mythical protection you yammer on about?

The secret cartel that plotted the downfall of the world's economic system? - Just a thought.

jackiebaron · 10-09-2010 10:17AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd be more inclined to say they are agressive about their sense of patriotism and national security.

They don't tend to get stuck in unless 1 of the following occurs;

1) Threat of the spread of comuinism.
2) A direct attack has been made on them.

Other then point 1, they have never instigated wars with other countries. I wouldnt refer to them as warlike, but do agree that they are agressive.

So when did Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Yemen, Panama, Grenada, Somalia or Serbia attack or threaten to attack them?

sxt · 10-09-2010 10:33AM

bigneacy wrote: »

America is not an oil rich country? :eek:

America is one of the top oil rich countries in the world. It is close allies with the top two oil rich countries in the world - Canada & Saudi Arabia.
America is the worlds third biggest oil producer, just behind Saudi Arabia and Russia (both USA Allies). Wars are governed by politics, and at the moment in America, politics are influenced immensely by religion, both foreign and domestic.

Hostile Middle East nations control less than 40% of the worlds Oil, and America's buying power far outweighs any political hard feelings those countries may have towards the US. America can buy oil until it runs out, and no matter what your buying or who's buying it, there will always be someone willing to sell it.

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http://www.radford.edu/wkovarik/oil/BP_reserves_global_550x375.gif

jackiebaron · 10-09-2010 10:34AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

There were links that Al'Quida were being harboured in Iraq.

Harbouring Al'Quida... yeah... I honestly didn't believe in the WMD's and thought that was a weak excuse...

Vietnam.. Russians spread commuinist influence...

Korea.. Russians spread commuinist influence...

Afghanistan... Taliban were harbouring Al'quida...

Iraq... were harbouring Al'quida...

Iraq were NOT harbouring Al-Qaeda. There is no evidence of this. IT is a complete and utter fabrication. Saddam Hussein loathed Al-Qaeda. Hussein was a secularist and despised the extreme Wahabbi slant of Bin Laden et al. As for Afghanistan harbouring Al-Qaeda....the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden to the US if they could provide evidence that he and his ilk were responsible for 9/11. The US refused this offer....why? Because they couldn't prove it. They wanted to invade and occupy the country and had planned to do so in January 2001, 8 months before the September 11 attacks.
As for your comments about wars being approved..wars of aggression have been deemed the "Ultimate Crime Against Humanity" following the Nuremberg Charter. A country may only engage in war if that country:
(a) is attacked
(b) believes it is under imminent threat of attack.

And by "imminent" they are pretty tight with this definition. The threatening country must be amassing tanks at your border and are not returning your phonecalls. It doesn't mean you can launch the missiles because you claim that some Fourth World nation will have the technology to throw a petrol-bomb at you in 4 years time.

So the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are wars of aggression, i.e. WAR CRIMES and the collective punishment and slaughter of over 1 million civilians there is a combined act of terrorism.

karma_ · 10-09-2010 10:36AM

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

This country isn't 'particularly american-friendly', especially with the left. It's no where near the most extreme terrorist nations. These leftie liberal types sicken me preaching from their high horse, the same type would have sat back and let Hitler or Stalin conquer the world

The Left sat back?

Now I know your having a laugh, it was the left who were the first to take action against fascism in Europe, that's right the first! They went off to fight Franco in Spain, this was at a time when the rest of the World was doing nothing, and even our own little island was sending volunteers to fight for Franco.

And you bleat on about how the left preach from a high horse.

bigneacy · 10-09-2010 10:52AM

sxt wrote: »

http://www.radford.edu/wkovarik/oil/BP_reserves_global_550x375.gif

Are you actually quoting an 8 year old picture? :eek:

Sykes · 10-09-2010 10:57AM

Last I heard, the Irish were pretty handy with the whole terrorism thing.

People in glass houses and all that?

karma_ · 10-09-2010 11:03AM

Sykes wrote: »

Last I heard, the Irish were pretty handy with the whole terrorism thing.

People in glass houses and all that?

Last I heard, you were a sectarian bigot.

jackiebaron · 10-09-2010 11:06AM

El Diablo 101 wrote: »

America is not the most extreme Terrorist Nation. People love to jump on poor ol' America.

Firstly, we do rely on American protection to an extent. American companies contribute a massive amount of money and jobs on our little island, and whether you like it or not, a strong-ish America is good for us. We need America. I for one have no time for this 'neutrality' debate either. Letting planes use a runway is a small price to pay for good relations with America.

Secondly, as a poster said here, they are not a terrorist nation, they are just extremely aggressive when it comes to their patriotism, and it shows when they were attacked. They went into Afghanistan having been attacked.

I suppose some of the liberal army would prefer to see westerners and women mutilated in Afghanistan? America is imposing nothing on that country, except for some basic human rights. Women are getting to go to school now. But I suppose the Taliban should be let do what they want right??

Also, the US don't see themselves as some World Police. If they did, they would jump into conflicts in South America and Africa. They went into Iraq and Afghanistan having been attacked, and they were invited into the wars in Vietnam and Korea. They get involved with North Korea and Iran because Israel and South Korea have mutual protection agreements.

Such crap you write. "Women are getting to go to school now". There isn't a single bloody school open for business in Afghanistan. They've all been bombed to powder. The Taliban control every part of the country except for downtown Kabul and a little bit of Kandahar. School! Listening to music! Dancing! Shiny happy people! Don't make me laugh. You bleat on that the US attacked these countries because they themselves were attacked. Well, Newsflash, sparky: Neither Iraq NOR Afghanistan attacked the US. 19 Saudi, Egyptian and Yemeni extremists did. Got that?

Now back in 1993 the World Trade Centre was bombed by Al-Qaeda and something like 60 people died. Did Clinton go and blow a hole in the world? No. He treated it as exactly what it was...a criminal act of terrorism and what did he do in response? Launched an investigation and operation that netted the perpetrators, tried them, convicted them and jailed them. Using what? Good old fashioned police work. He didn't launch hundreds of thousand of troops into Morocco or Tahiti or some other completely unrelated place like the Smirking Chimp did.
Get your head out of your rectum.

bigneacy · 10-09-2010 11:12AM

Sykes wrote: »

Last I heard, the Irish were pretty handy with the whole terrorism thing.

People in glass houses and all that?

karma_ wrote: »

Last I heard, you were a sectarian bigot.

Chill lads!! Its true tho, Ireland had been destroyed by a full blown civil war since the Irish free state began... We of all people know how terrorism and bigotry can destroy a country.

Sykes · 10-09-2010 11:20AM

karma_ wrote: »

Last I heard, you were a sectarian bigot.

Oh dear, looks like I touched a nerve.

I always have a wee chuckle to myself when I listen to the Irish projecting their own twisted state onto other countries and other people.

Especially when they accuse others of terrorism and racism.

It's a bit like Gary Glitter telling us all how bad child abusers are.

With regards to the laughable Irish "intellectual" boycott of Israel

I found this hit the spot.

"David Hirsh, a lecturer in sociology at Goldsmiths, University of London, and an expert on anti-Semitism: “In Ireland, Green/Orange politics is largely now a thing of the past, but the Israel boycott allows those who are nostalgic for it to carry on playing the game.

In certain Irish imaginations, the Palestinians are drafted in to symbolize the Republicans and the Israelis are given the role of the Loyalists. The vulgar anti-imperialists bang on about their boycott of Israel, but none of this has anything to do with reality in the Middle East. It does, however, destroy the unity of the Irish Labor movement.

“All over the world, local issues are played out over the body of the Jewish state, in the language of the Israel boycott. In Britain the boycott is about colonial guilt. In South Africa it is about apartheid.

In Germany it is about the Holocaust. In the US it is about the Wild West. In Venezuela it is about the anti-imperialist rainbow. In Egypt and Iran it is about uniting people behind vile governments.”

So of course the “Irish intellectuals and artists” who Haaretz recently reported as declaring Israel well and truly boycotted were totally within their rights to do so. The conceit that the Irish are telling the Jews that they won’t be sending them any more intellectuals does sound like the first line of an insulting stereotypical joke – but still, it’s their right.

The Irish need to stop projecting. Sort out your own mess of a 'country' instead of putting your labels onto others.

The audacity to sit here after decades of terrorism and label other countries as terrorist is astounding.

karma_ · 10-09-2010 11:23AM

Sykes wrote: »

Oh dear, looks like I touched a nerve.

I always have a wee chuckle to myself when I listen to the Irish projecting their own twisted state onto other countries and other people.

Especially when they accuse others of terrorism and racism.

It's a bit like Gary Glitter telling us all how bad child abusers are.

With regards to the laughable Irish "intellectual" boycott of Israel I found this hit the spot.

The Irish need to stop projecting. Sort out your own mess of a 'country' instead of putting your labels onto others.

The audacity to sit here after decades of terrorism and label other countries as terrorist is astounding.

Just stating a fact 'pal'. You didn't get banned from the politics forum for nothing. All anyone has to do if they want proof you're a rampant bigot is to have a wee gander through your previous posts.

Keep going though, you're entraining if nothing else.

Nodin · 10-09-2010 11:23AM

Sykes wrote: »

Last I heard, the Irish were pretty handy with the whole terrorism thing.

People in glass houses and all that?

Are you still whinging?

Sykes · 10-09-2010 11:33AM

karma_ wrote: »

Just stating a fact 'pal'. You didn't get banned from the politics forum for nothing. All anyone has to do if they want proof you're a rampant bigot is to have a wee gander through your previous posts.

Keep going though, you're entraining if nothing else.

You seem a bit dense. This is an Irish forum moderated by Irishmen. I come along and tell you lot the truth about Ireland and defend the likes of Israel against your rampant bigotry and racism - of course I'm going to get banned.

The mod has his "free Palestine" badge pinned to his proud little pigeon chest.

He's already exposed himself as a moron in private messages.

So don't take my banning from the politics forum to mean anything other than a biased decision by a moron.

Sykes · 10-09-2010 11:35AM

Nodin wrote: »

Are you still whinging?

Are you still projecting?

Calling other nations 'terrorists' when your lot were the grassroots for one of the world's most vicious terrorist campaigns?

karma_ · 10-09-2010 11:37AM

Sykes wrote: »

You seem a bit dense. This is an Irish forum moderated by Irishmen. I come along and tell you lot the truth about Ireland and defend the likes of Israel against your rampant bigotry and racism - of course I'm going to get banned.

The mod has his "free Palestine" badge pinned to his proud little pigeon chest.

He's already exposed himself as a moron in private messages.

So don't take my banning from the politics forum to mean anything other than a biased decision by a moron.

Fighting racism and bigotry with more racism and bigotry. And you think I'm a 'bit dense'.

bigneacy · 10-09-2010 11:38AM

Sykes wrote: »

Are you still projecting?

Calling other nations 'terrorists' when your lot were the grassroots for one of the world's most vicious terrorist campaigns?

big brave man on boards.ie

Nodin · 10-09-2010 11:40AM

Sykes wrote: »

You seem a bit dense. This is an Irish forum moderated by Irishmen. I come along and tell you lot the truth about Ireland and defend the likes of Israel against your rampant bigotry and racism - of course I'm going to get banned.

The mod has his "free Palestine" badge pinned to his proud little pigeon chest.

He's already exposed himself as a moron in private messages.

So don't take my banning from the politics forum to mean anything other than a biased decision by a moron.

....cry me a river....

Rylan · 10-09-2010 11:40AM

Has anyone seen the 2 zeitgiest films. If not, they are worth a look. You can make up your own mind after watching them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

af_thefragile · 10-09-2010 11:43AM

Rylan wrote: »

Has anyone seen the 2 zeitgiest films. If not, they are worth a look. You can make up your own mind after watching them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

Only half of whats in those movie is true. The rest is bull crap.
Now if you don't know what half of it is true and what is not, you can very easily start believing in their bull****.

This on the other hand is a lot more accurate at what goes on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VovRTt0hAPk

Sykes · 10-09-2010 11:46AM

karma_ wrote: »

Fighting racism and bigotry with more racism and bigotry. And you think I'm a 'bit dense'.

And I thought it was supposed to be Americans that didn't get irony.

Everything I posted was basically a mirror image of what you and your tribe posted.

The moron Scoff told me I was banned for labelling Ireland as "anti-semitic" - yet the moron was unable to see that it was just a mirror of the Irish labelling Israel with all the vitriolic crap you've posted there. Outright racism, stereotyping, bigotry etc.

You lot just can't take it. Like the Arsenal team of fairies, you just don't like it up you.

You sit on this forum projecting all YOUR problems with racism and terrorism onto others. You use the like of Israel to continue your loyalist/republican war. This one is safer though, you just shout in the street in protest and make laughable decisions about boycotting the Jewish state of Irish intellectuals. I mean, you just couldn't make it up.

You're a joke. You as an individual and your 'country'.

Nodin · 10-09-2010 11:49AM

Sykes wrote: »

And I thought it was supposed to be Americans that didn't get irony.

Everything I posted was basically a mirror image of what you and your tribe posted.

The moron Scoff told me I was banned for labelling Ireland as "anti-semitic" - yet the moron was unable to see that it was just a mirror of the Irish labelling Israel with all the vitriolic crap you've posted there. Outright racism, stereotyping, bigotry etc.

You lot just can't take it. Like the Arsenal team of fairies, you just don't like it up you.

You sit on this forum projecting all YOUR problems with racism and terrorism onto others. You use the like of Israel to continue your loyalist/republican war. This one is safer though, you just shout in the street in protest and make laughable decisions about boycotting the Jewish state of Irish intellectuals. I mean, you just couldn't make it up.

You're a joke. You as an individual and your 'country'.

...you know a pet could give you a kind of non-judgemental attention....

karma_ · 10-09-2010 11:52AM

Nodin wrote: »

...you know a pet could give you a kind of non-judgemental attention....

I doubt any animal would like to share a street with him, never-mind a house...

Nodin · 10-09-2010 11:55AM

karma_ wrote: »

I doubt any animal would like to share a street with him, never-mind a house...

Now thats being judgmental again. We've no idea what kind of life-trauma this poor persons suffered - locked in an attic, or just ignored by all around them, perhaps. Why they're nearly falling off the piled cushions when typing here just for a bit of human contact. They need fuzzy hugs.

Paddy Samurai · 10-09-2010 12:08PM

Terry wrote: »

They instill more fear into me than any other nation on the planet, so I would have to say yes.

If thats the criteria , i would have to say a definite NO.
I don't agree with alot of the stuff they do ,but i have never feared them.Personally given the way the world is ,overall i think they have done more good than bad.If US did'nt exist ,i think we would all be in worse shape,given some of the nutjobs that currently exist around the world.

Jeboa Safari · 10-09-2010 12:12PM

sxt wrote: »

If The U.S.A is not the most extreme terrorist nation, then maybe you can name an nation that is comparable and we can provide evidence...

Take your pic from several mid-east and African nations

karma_ wrote: »

The Left sat back?

Now I know your having a laugh, it was the left who were the first to take action against fascism in Europe, that's right the first! They went off to fight Franco in Spain, this was at a time when the rest of the World was doing nothing, and even our own little island was sending volunteers to fight for Franco.

And you bleat on about how the left preach from a high horse.

Some fought in the name of communism in Spain, I'll give you that. But what about ww2?
What about after the war? If America withdrew its protection of Europe, theres a good chance Stalin would have took control of the rest of the continent and imposed a Soviet style dictatorship on us

jackiebaron · 10-09-2010 12:17PM

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

The CIA didn't just pick up a load of random people on the street, cop the f*** on imo if you think that.... there was intelligence on these guys being members of cells... now get back in your Anti-Everything hippy tent....

They did just pick up random people. The majority of the inmates at Guantanamo were turned in by guys who didn't even know them. The US were offering rewards for information on "terrorists". Picture this....you're a peasant farmer in Afghanistan living on a dollar a day....and you hate the guy in the village who fancies your daughter. You tell the clueless American soldiers that he's a terrorist. They pay you the $5000 that they promised for any tips, which is more cash than you'll ever be able to spend in a place like Afghanistan...PLUS the idiot you hate gets to spend the rest of his life being tortured in Guantanamo Bay and never to see his wife again.
Now personally I think that's kind of scummy and unfair and you think it's ok so I guess you must be a fairly sick and sadistic individual.

Sykes · 10-09-2010 12:31PM

Did Karma_ really suggest that the left wing fought against Franco? did he really try and make out that the 'guardians of human rights' fought Franco on the basis of left wing ideals to free Spain of oppression purely on humanitarian grounds?

Oh dear, another deluded lefty to add to the list.

The Communists financed by the Soviets were fighting the civil war to install a communist state and expand the Soviet's influence.

af_thefragile · 10-09-2010 12:33PM

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

If thats the criteria , i would have to say a definite NO.
I don't agree with alot of the stuff they do ,but i have never feared them.Personally given the way the world is ,overall i think they have done more good than bad.If US did'nt exist ,i think we would all be in worse shape,given some of the nutjobs that currently exist around the world.

I really really doubt that.
If Russia won the cold war we'ld be eating Russian food, watching Russian TV and singing Russian songs.

Rest all would remain the same.

America became the superpower only after the WW2. Things weren't really any different before that. Infact many countries were better off as they weren't in serious debt slaving away for Nike, Tommy Hilfiger and all those brands.

The Aussie · 10-09-2010 12:55PM

Sykes wrote: »

You lot just can't take it. Like the Arsenal team of fairies, you just don't like it up you.

You sit on this forum projecting all YOUR problems with racism and terrorism onto others. You use the like of Israel to continue your loyalist/republican war. This one is safer though.

You lost me with your Arsenal Team sledge (came across as quite lame actually), but i do agree 100% with the projecting past history onto current problems.

Like the langer who tried the citizens arrest on Tony Blair for war crimes, would she do the same with Khaled Mash'al the Hamas leader.

Is The U.S.A the most extreme Terrorist nation?

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