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MCB Question .

  • 06-09-2010 12:05PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭


    If you have 2 MCB Breakers, both 6amps but one of them is type B and one of the is type K which would you expect to trip first?? And why??

    NoseyMike2010


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Off the top of my head the B type for overload and about the same for short circuit.

    Look at the fusing characteristic graph to see which.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭handydandy


    Be a little bit more specific, is this a real situation or just something you would like to know.

    Do both there circuits contain similar devices?

    Type B for domestic/commercial installations without power surges e.g. filament lamps and wall sockets.

    Type K to prevent nuisance tripping during starting of three phase loads, e.g. motors or transformers, and provide closer protection than B, C or D types.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭NoseyMike2010


    Something I'd like to know. I am wondering if you had two idential systems and 1 had a 6 amp breaker Type B and the other type K which would trip 1st if they had exactly the same surge.

    I have looked at the Characteristics graph and have no idea whats happening in them! Sorry. A virgin to all this if I am honest!


    NoseyMike2010


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭knipex


    Something I'd like to know. I am wondering if you had two idential systems and 1 had a 6 amp breaker Type B and the other type K which would trip 1st if they had exactly the same surge.

    I have looked at the Characteristics graph and have no idea whats happening in them! Sorry. A virgin to all this if I am honest!


    NoseyMike2010

    Simple answer type B would trip first.

    Type K is designed for use in application where temporary surges (motor starts etc) are common and hence would take time to trip.

    However in the event of a direct short circuit they should both trip simultaneously.

    Side note I was not aware that Type K were available in singles, Always assumed they were a 3 phase breaker only..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭NoseyMike2010


    So is Type B a slow tripping breaker?

    If you can explain with a mathematical solution it would help alot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭knipex


    So is Type B a slow tripping breaker?

    If you can explain with a mathematical solution it would help alot.

    Not exactly sure where you got that from.

    The Type K is designed to allow short momentary surges such as those associated with loads such as AC motors where you have a short intense current draw during start up.

    Type B are designed for a totally different application where surges are not expected such a domestic situation.

    They both have specific applications and as such are not directly comparable.

    They most certainly could not be described as slow and quick tripping. As I said in my original post in a short circuit situation they should both trip at the same speed.

    There are 4 types of MCB type B, C, D, K, Z and there performance characteristics or trip curve are defined by BS EN 60898 and BS EN 60947-2

    In simple terms the letter indicates the instantaneous tripping current, that is the minimum value of current that causes the circuit-breaker to trip without intentional time delay (i.e., in less than 100 ms), expressed in terms of In:

    for a Type B N is defined as greater than 3 up to or equal to 5

    So for a 6 amp type B MCB the instantaneous tripping current would be between 18amp to 30amp (ie. between 3 and 5 times the rated current)

    For a type C its 5 to 10 times
    Type D its 10 to 20 times
    Type K its 8 to 12 times
    and for Type Z its 2 to 3 times

    But that a crude description of an MCB

    All types will trip for any load over their rated load but the trip time will not be instantaneous (ie. longer than 100ms).

    I would recommend you do more reading.

    Start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_breaker and here http://www.moeller.co.uk/ta_mcb_basics.htm and then look up the relevant standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    http://www.protekuk.co.uk/portal/default.asp?id=988&idcategoria=1082&idsottocategoria=1089&lang=ita&sez=technicalinfo

    I'm closing this thread too; OP if you don’t know the difference between voltage and current then timing and tripping curves are later on in your own learning curve.

    I'm now convinced that the op is following a smartly planned trolling line here and is wasting users kindly given time and effort.


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