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Burnett makes final!

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  • #2
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    Final is on at 3:30 Irish time. Live updates of the scoreboard will be available here


  • #3
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    Final moved up. It's on now


  • #4
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    Derek did it, bronze medal :D:D:D:D


  • #5
    Half-cocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    Great result, well done Derek:D:D:D:D


  • #6
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Fantastic result. Not entirely sure quota places are available yet. Certainly for rifle and pistol, the first event is the World Championships in Munich this year (Wake up there FLOYDSTER!).


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  • #7
    FLOYDSTER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭FLOYDSTER


    Great Result!!:D


  • #8
    rrpc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    It appears from the list of quota places for 2012 that Derek has got himself qualified for the Olympics :cool:

    According to the table, the first five places in the ECH get a quota place for their country.

    For the WCH, the top 5 in 50m Prone (are you listening FLOYDSTER? ;)), Trap and Skeet, the top 6 in Air Pistol and Air Rifle, the top 4 in 50m Pistol and the top 3 in Double Trap also get quota places.


  • #9
    Half-cocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    rrpc wrote: »
    It appears from the list of quota places for 2012 that Derek has got himself qualified for the Olympics :cool:

    That needs clarification - everyone I asked was under the impression that there were no quota places available until Munich. If Derek has won a quota place, both he and the ICPSA don't know about it:confused:


  • #10
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    The first quotas for 2012 come on line at the World Championships in Munich for all shooting events.

    For olympic Trap the qualifications/quota allocations can be seen here


  • #11
    Irish Springer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭Irish Springer


    Not sure, if you look at the list it says 5 for the Europeans but that is spread over 2010, 2011, 2012.


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  • #12
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    target wrote: »
    I'm sure ;), that document came from the www.issfnews.com website which was deprecated over a year ago and has not been used since the ISSF switched to www.issf-sports.org as their one and only website.

    Forget what I said about the above document, the ISSF still use the old server for downloads.

    Still no quotas available at the Europeans for shotgun until 2011.


  • #13
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    It's a shame, but still a fantastic result - and one which will hopefully provide carding funds for Derek so he can train towards a 2011 quota place!


  • #14
    Half-cocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    In non-ISSF events, other ICPSA shooters are making a big splash at international level at the moment: Bronze for the veterans team at the FITASC World Championships and Ireland win the DTL Home International. And an Irish junior wins the British Open DTL! And I'll bet none of this gets a mention in any of the media:mad:


  • #15
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    A great summer for the ICPSA and it's members. I suspect the airwaves will be silent and the papers devoid of ink, but at least we can celebrate it here :D


  • #16
    sporting shot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭sporting shot


    Hi All,

    Dont forget the world English Sporting was on 10 days ago and ICPSA members did well there too and featured in the pre-lim.


  • #17
    target
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭target


    sporting shot wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Dont forget the world English Sporting was on 10 days ago and ICPSA members did well there too and featured in the pre-lim.

    Didn't know that, just as well we have boards here or I certainly wouldn't have known. Congrats to the guys and gals.


  • #18
    sporting shot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭sporting shot


    Hi Target,

    Yeah I dont know how many people know about the worlds just gone. But find the results below:

    Pre-lim : http://www.lctc.co.uk/365.html

    World Sportrap: http://www.lctc.co.uk/366.html

    World Sporting: http://www.lctc.co.uk/368.html

    Unfortunately, no Team results to post!


  • #19
    SARZY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭SARZY


    Clay Shooting in Ireland suffers because of the spread of disciplines and the consequent confusion about International teams among the general public and on into the media.

    In my locality, some years ago, 1 local shooter represented Ireland at DTL in July and another local man represented Ireland in ABT in September. Both fine achievements were publicised in the local weekly paper. NARGC men were confused, never mind the general public.

    Add in Olympic Trap, Olympic Skeet,Double Trap,English Skeet,English Sporting,FITASC Sporting,Universal Trap, I think it unlikely that Press interest or National media interest can be attracted.
    The Italians concentrate their Clay shooting effort in the 3 Olympic disciplines, achieve things and celebrate.
    Derek Burnett's recent achievement is so far ahead of any DTL, ABT or Skeet or Sporting, but why wont the ICPSA promote that.

    That is the question.


  • #20
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Because the best publicity for your sport and your organisation is to succeed. Making noise and denigrating other people's sports and associations is a terrible way to get noticed and will earn you no good whatsoever.


  • #21
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    SARZY wrote: »
    Clay Shooting in Ireland suffers because of the spread of disciplines and the consequent confusion about International teams among the general public and on into the media.

    In my locality, some years ago, 1 local shooter represented Ireland at DTL in July and another local man represented Ireland in ABT in September. Both fine achievements were publicised in the local weekly paper. NARGC men were confused, never mind the general public.

    Add in Olympic Trap, Olympic Skeet,Double Trap,English Skeet,English Sporting,FITASC Sporting,Universal Trap, I think it unlikely that Press interest or National media interest can be attracted.
    The Italians concentrate their Clay shooting effort in the 3 Olympic disciplines, achieve things and celebrate.
    Derek Burnett's recent achievement is so far ahead of any DTL, ABT or Skeet or Sporting, but why wont the ICPSA promote that.

    That is the question.

    sporting in italy is big especially FITASC .

    only last week did our vets billy kearns ,pat fox , john dignam win bronze in the world championships there and well done to these men .

    i would not have liked to pay the bar bill that nite .

    clay shooting is a sport for all form the guy at the back of his house to world and olympic standard .some never go to a clay shoot but go to a competition .

    its a way to relax for some and a way of life for others .the icpsa is made up of all these people .

    to win high guns it takes the three Ts .talent .temperament , technique ,sadly the vast majority done possess all 3 .

    if the icpsa were to put money into issf shooting the vast majority would suffer


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  • #22
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    jwshooter wrote: »
    if the icpsa were to put money into issf shooting the vast majority would suffer
    And yet at the same time, the ISSF shooters in the ICPSA have pulled more then their weight over the years with all the media coverage and funding they've secured for the ICPSA.
    There's got to be a healthy balance.


  • #23
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    Sparks wrote: »
    And yet at the same time, the ISSF shooters in the ICPSA have pulled more then their weight over the years with all the media coverage and funding they've secured for the ICPSA.
    There's got to be a healthy balance.

    they have had some out standing results , in no small way to the back ground people ,these are often over looked .one man in particular .


  • #24
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    jwshooter wrote: »
    in no small way to the back ground people ,these are often over looked .one man in particular .
    Very true.


  • #25
    SARZY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭SARZY


    Please understand that I have no axe to grind with ICPSA or anybody in it. Like all organisations it has and will have in the future, issues to be dealt with and their stance will not suit everybody, but I just cant understand why they make no effort to publicise achievements such as Derek Burnett's in that European.

    The Press in general will publish ANY feelgood story. An Irishman wins a bronze medal at a European Championship in an Olympic discipline and not as much as a line in any paper.

    That is, to me, unbelieveable.


  • #26
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    SARZY wrote: »
    That is, to me, unbelieveable.
    Possibly because you've never spoken to the people who run those newspapers? I've had the sports editor in the Irish Times simply tell me that "we're the Times. The Irish Times doesn't do guns." and hang up.
    It really is not that unusual :(


  • #27
    Half-cocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    SARZY wrote: »
    The Press in general will publish ANY feelgood story. An Irishman wins a bronze medal at a European Championship in an Olympic discipline and not as much as a line in any paper.

    That is, to me, unbelieveable.

    In the media, ANY feelgood story doesn't include anything to do with guns. When it comes to guns, the media only want bad news. The ICPSA, along with many other Irish shooting associations has spent a lot of time and effort trying to counter the negative image of shooting sports in the media, but to no avail. It's the exact same in the UK, talk to anyone in the English CPSA etc and they'll tell you they have the same problem.

    Shooting associations generally have limited means and manpower, and this has to be used for the benefit of the sport, not brown nosing the media and hiring PR guru's in the hope that it might, just might, result in a bit of positive press ie;- a small paragraph on the back page of a sports supplement, somewhere below the results of an international baton twirling competition.


  • #28
    dCorbus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    not brown nosing the media

    Unfortunately, and knowing a couple of the ol' media whores themselves, that's exactly what is often required!:(


  • #29
    SARZY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭SARZY


    At the World ISSF in Munich this week, in Shotgun (TRAP) Junior event, the Italians had the Gold medalist, the Bronze medalist and a 5th place.

    Our most promising Junior is shooting DTL, very successfully- British Open winner, but my point simply are these,

    (a) did Derek ever take part in a World junior event, He was showing outstanding ability as a young lad but went through the DTL, Ball trap route. Would he have benefitted from such an oportunity.
    (b) will our outstanding current British DTL champ be given all the support he deserves to progress now to such World trap events.

    And on publicity for the game, An Irish Junior shotgun shooter wins the Senior British Open DTL at his first attempt and NOT a word in national media.
    I simply dont believe an effort is being made.


  • #30
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    SARZY wrote: »
    nd on publicity for the game, An Irish Junior shotgun shooter wins the Senior British Open DTL at his first attempt and NOT a word in national media.
    I simply dont believe an effort is being made.
    It made the local paper, which I suppose is progress in and of itself:
    GOOD news in a local paper...


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  • #31
    Sparks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    SARZY wrote: »
    I simply dont believe an effort is being made.
    You're simply incorrect. The problem is that the print media don't think that running stories on our sports will sell advertising space because we're not a very vocal lot most of the time.


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