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When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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  • #422
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    If the roles were reversed what would you do?

    I'm really confused roles of what? No nothing will change me so stop asking me questions.


  • #423
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what should nationalists do then? Shut up and put up?

    So what should unionists do then? Shut up and put up?


  • #424
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They want to be part of the Republic so it strikes me as a pretty sensible thing to do under the circumstances

    You tell them.


  • #425
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    What your confusing me? I said i don't want a united ireland and you think that i should change to wanting one because they want one? That is utterly selfish.


    He is not asking you to want it. He is asking you if you accept there is a large number of people in NI who would like to see a UI.


  • #426
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    So what should unionists do then? Shut up and put up?
    Compromise, something Owen is refusing to consider.


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  • #427
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    He is not asking you to want it. He is asking you if you accept there is a large number of people in NI who would like to see a UI.

    No i'm never going to accept it and why would i accept it when theres only 40% that want it over nearly 60%/70% now that would be plain stupid.


  • #428
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They want to be part of the Republic so it strikes me as a pretty sensible thing to do under the circumstances
    Thats right, everyone can afford to abandon their HOMES and up sticks and move down here.

    They shouldn't have to.


  • #429
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Im not from Antrim I live in Antrim

    What is your answer to the question?


  • #430
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats right, everyone can afford to abandon their HOMES and up sticks and move down here.

    They shouldn't have to.

    EITHER SHOULD WE, stop sticking to one side and for the two sides.


  • #431
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    EITHER SHOULD WE, stop sticking to one side and for the two sides.
    I have said MULTIPLE times that they shouldn't. MULTIPLE.


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  • #432
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have said MULTIPLE times that they shouldn't. MULTIPLE.

    Well then your stuck, passing yourself from post to post. I hope you aren't expecting Northern Ireland to have a UI just for 40% of the population? Now that WOULD be selfish.


  • #433
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    They shouldn't have to.

    They live in a country they dont want to be part of
    There cant convince a majority of their fellow residents to think likewise
    Theres another country a couple of hours (or less) drive away which they would feel happier being part of

    If the mountain wont come to Mohammed...........
    gurramok wrote: »
    What is your answer to the question?
    In order to save me scrolling back through trying to locate it would you be good enough to repeat it (still no takers on mine I see)


  • #434
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    Well then your stuck, passing yourself from post to post.

    What does this sentence mean? I honestly don't understand what your trying to say here.


  • #435
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    What does this sentence mean? I honestly don't understand what your trying to say here.

    Oh come on its a saying.. it means your stuck in between nationalist and unionist sides as he says they shouldn't have to move.


  • #436
    trapsagenius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They want to be part of the Republic so it strikes me as a pretty sensible thing to do under the circumstances

    If and when the nationalists are in the majority, I assume you'll be in favour of the unionists moving to mainland Britain.Right?


  • #437
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    trapsagenius wrote: »
    If and when the nationalists are in the majority, I assume you'll be in favour if the unionists moving to mainland Britain.Right?

    Or maybe they could bring in another ulster coveant (i think this is a great idea.) type idea and put the unionist counties in the uk as there will be trouble,(tbh i think its best leaving it the way it is as a united ireland will start trouble again)


  • #438
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They live in a country they dont want to be part of
    There cant convince a majority of their fellow residents to think likewise
    Theres another country a couple of hours (or less) drive away which they want to be part of

    If the mountain wont come to Mohammed...........

    What?

    It is their country, however they would like to see it unified, what has that got to do with leaving homes and moving?

    I would describe myself as moderately nationalist. However in saying that I'm perfectly happy to live in the North if a majority of the citizens here want NI to stay part of the Union, no problem whatsoever.

    However, it seems I am not being afforded the same right, that should a majority in the North want to see a UI, then it would not be tolerated. In fact it has been stated in this thread that my desire to have a UI would not even be accepted.


  • #439
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Or maybe they could bring in another ulster coveant (i think this is a great idea.) type idea and put the unionist counties in the uk as there will be trouble,(tbh i think its best leaving it the way it is as a united ireland will start trouble again)
    Thats not a good idea. The nationalists and unionists left behind so to speak will be pissed.


    Seen as partition worked SO WELL lets do it again!!!!!


  • #440
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    trapsagenius wrote: »
    If and when the nationalists are in the majority, I assume you'll be in favour if the unionists moving to mainland Britain.Right?

    If its such a big issue for them yes

    Not much point being a Unionist if theres no Union now is there


  • #441
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats not a good idea. The nationalists and unionists left behind so to speak will be pissed.


    Seen as partition worked SO WELL lets do it again!!!!!

    Yea but it will work well this time as they will split it up according to the most unionist constuencies i mean north antrim is like 70% unionist so there will be barely any trouble there for example.


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  • #442
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    What?

    It is their country, however they would like to see it unified, what has that got to do with leaving homes and moving?

    I would describe myself as moderately nationalist. However in saying that I'm perfectly happy to live in the North if a majority of the citizens here want NI to stay part of the Union, no problem whatsoever.

    However, it seems I am not being afforded the same right, that should a majority in the North want to see a UI, then it would not be tolerated. In fact it has been stated in this thread that my desire to have a UI would not even be accepted.

    Northern Ireland is not in the country of Ireland how dare you say that!:mad: The island of ireland it is in.


  • #443
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Yea but it will work well this time as they will split it up according to the most unionist constuencies i mean north antrim is like 70% unionist so there will be barely any trouble there for example.
    LOL!

    Thats what they thought the first time!


  • #444
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    LOL!

    Thats what they thought the first time!

    Yes but they added in tyrone and fermanagh which were not unionist really, this time it won't be done like that.


  • #445
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Compromise, something Owen is refusing to consider.

    It looks to me as if he is not the only one who is refusing to consider compromise.


  • #446
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Is a federal republic not a very large compromise?


  • #447
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Is a federal republic not a very large compromise?

    As i said aswell as mike if there is no union whats the point in being unionist!


  • #448
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is not in the country of Ireland how dare you say that!:mad: The island of ireland it is in.

    Again, no idea what your trying to say here, I do fairly well deciphering most of your posts but this one has me dumbfounded.

    Maybe you would like to try answering any of points I did raise in that post?


  • #449
    dan719
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    gurramok wrote: »
    Its amazing how having to actually pay for your 'country' can shake loyalty!!

    How many of the pro UI posters on this thread are willing to pay for the north in the form of higher taxes and the like? Add an extra five billion on to our Budget deficit for starters. Plus probable increases in military and police spending, plus god knows what else. Look at the German experience of reunification.

    It is amazing, isn't in. :rolleyes:


  • #450
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    As i said aswell as mike if there is no union whats the point in being unionist!
    But you are only willing to follow Westminster instructions when it suits?


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  • #451
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Again, no idea what your trying to say here, I do fairly well deciphering most of your posts but this one has me dumbfounded.

    Maybe you would like to try answering any of points I did raise in that post?

    Northern Ireland is not in the country of ireland we are in the United Kingdom full stop. But!, we are in the island of ireland.


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