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God Strikes Down Hitchens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    poor Fella- hope he makes it- World needs established personalities like his!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭blue_steel


    panda100 wrote: »
    For me Hitchens writings on Mother Teresa were just eye opening. I always had my niggling doubts about whom the RC church bestowed honours on. They always seemed to be friends of the establishment that ensure poverty,hunger and famine remains in our world.

    Slating Mother Teresa is one of the most heinous things you can do in our society. Frindss have looked at me in agahast when I have questioned her saintliness. For Hitchens to do this on a puplic platform I think is very brave.


    "This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?
    The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for "the poorest of the poor." People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the "Missionaries of Charity," but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhi—that saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocent—was drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda. "

    Bravo. My wife's sister spent time working in MT's calcutta "hospice" and said the kids were kept in filthy squalid conditions while cheques for enormous sums donated to the hospice were forwarded to Rome unspent. Disgusting individual by the sounds of her. Have never read Hitchens but am a big fan of Dawkins and will check him out having read that piece. Hope he recovers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Professor Plumb


    ColmDawson wrote: »
    :(
    When I was still in the process of dismantling my religiosity, Hitchens' debate against Frank Turek was the first of many religious debates I watched on Youtube.
    I too found it fascinating


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Professor Plumb


    robindch wrote: »
    Two friends of mine spent a total of around two years with MT in Calcutta, perhaps 10-15 years back and both of them invited me to go there and work for a while. I dithered, but ultimately declined and ended up doing similar part-time work here in Dublin instead. In retrospect, it would have been interesting to have gone and seen exactly what was happening since neither friend spoke much about it once they returned home, and neither said why.
    It would have been fascinating to know what they saw and didn't say anything about.
    It was a pity you didn't go there because you might have found out what they saw and didn't say anything about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Professor Plumb


    strobe wrote: »
    "Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it." --Thomas Jefferson.

    The man must be spinning in his grave.
    Thomas Jefferson was a great man


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 guybague


    hope he's ok/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Agricola wrote: »
    Terrible news. Hope he gets through this. Hes a unique character.

    Actually, his brother is made from the same mold. While they happen to be on opposite sides of the fence when it come to God, they both share the same mannerisms.

    BTW, Robin, have you ever considered asking your friends again about their experiences with Mother Teresa?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Improbable


    Here's hoping that he recovers. He truly is someone who doesn't make any excuses for his beliefs and is rigorous in fighting for what he believes. I can definitely commend that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Elliemental


    I'm genuinely sad to hear this. I have just discovered his writings and have recently finished God Is Not Great. So witty, clear and concise. Best of luck to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Very sorry to hear that Christopher is ill.

    I will pray for his recovery (and Salvation).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    J C wrote: »
    Very sorry to hear that Christopher is ill.

    I will pray for his recovery (and Salvation).

    I'm sure he's delighted to have your prayer.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,221 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    despite the irony, it's a bit churlish to take the piss out of what appears ot have been a genuine expression of concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    despite the irony, it's a bit churlish to take the piss out of what appears ot have been a genuine expression of concern.
    I don't know Christopher Hitchins personally, but I know off him and I am naturally sorry, that as a fellow Human Being, that he is ill and I wish him every good wish for his recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo



    Hope he recovers and continue to rip shreds out of believers. I wonder if they will pray for him :)

    Ripping shreds out of people will not help him now.
    I know he doesn’t want me to and I know he thinks it is useless but, Christopher Hitchens, I am praying for you.

    Christopher Hitchens can be smart, acerbic, funny, mean, insightful, and thick. He defends Western Civilization while, via his outspoken atheism, semantically chipping away at the Christian pillars that support it. In short, Christopher Hitchens is a frustrating person. Christopher Hitchens is also very sick. He writes…

    I have been advised by my physician that I must undergo a course of chemotherapy on my esophagus. This advice seems persuasive to me. I regret having had to cancel so many engagements at such short notice.

    There are no good cancers to have, but if you were forced to make a list of ‘good’ cancers to have, esophageal cancer would not be on the list.

    I know he doesn’t want them, but he needs our prayers.

    It is understandable that many have seen Hitchens as the enemy, a leading proponent of a proud and energetic atheism. He has often used his considerable wit to mock religion and in particular Christianity. In doing so, he has been an intellectual enabler of many non-intellectuals helping them to be grossly comfortable with their own impiety. These are not good things.

    But Christopher Hitchens is not the enemy. God created him because He loves him. We need to love him too. We should continue to oppose his wrongheaded and destructive ideas at every turn using our gifts, to whatever degree we have been granted them, to undo what Hitchens has done with his.

    But we can and should do something more. Something that he can’t or rather won’t do. We can pray for him. And pray for him some more. Let’s love him as much as we can. Let’s us love him with a patient unrequited love.

    For him I will pray for very different things.

    I pray for his healing.

    I pray for his soul.

    I pray he doesn’t suffer much while knowing suffering is unavoidable.

    I pray that that he realizes the redemptive power of suffering when united with the suffering of our Lord.

    I pray that in whatever times he has left, and I pray that is a long time, that he puts his myriad gifts into the service of the Lord.

    I pray that he realizes the love of the God who created him.

    I must confess that I smile when I ponder what a wonderful Christian Hitchens would make if ever he were to believe. I hope he doesn’t take offense at that. I often wonder the same thing about myself.

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/praying_for_christopher_hitchens


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    That made my skin crawl. Do you think they could sound any more insidiously duplicitous, if they tried? :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,221 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'd say it gave him a good old chuckle if he saw it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    i'd say it gave him a good old chuckle if he saw it.

    Yep, I'd say he'd find the whole thing ridiculous and amusing.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    We can pray for him. And pray for him some more. Let’s love him as much as we can. Let’s us love him with a patient unrequited love. For him I will pray for very different things. I pray for his healing. I pray for his soul. I pray he doesn’t suffer much while knowing suffering is unavoidable. I pray that that he realizes the redemptive power of suffering when united with the suffering of our Lord. I pray that in whatever times he has left, and I pray that is a long time, that he puts his myriad gifts into the service of the Lord. I pray that he realizes the love of the God who created him.
    The unctuous Mr Archbold, together with Ms Christina Odone, have either forgotten, or never read Matthew 6:5:
    And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Just so people know, almost no one survives esophageal cancer. If he's getting chemo it probably means its too big for surgery which makes the prognosis even worse. Luckily he'll be able to throw money at them for the best doctors and treatment in the world, but it is very possible that our dear Mr.Hitchens has written his last book.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    It really depends on what stage the cancer is at as to his prognosis. Chemotherapy is often used to shrink tumours prior to excision, especially in area where bulk removal is not possible, such as the throat, so is not necessarily an indication that it's inoperable...altho the survival rate of oesophageal cancers are low, they are improving year on year - one of our very own boardsies is an oesophageal cancer survival....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Christopher Hitchens can be smart, acerbic, funny, mean, insightful, and thick. He defends Western Civilization while, via his outspoken atheism, semantically chipping away at the Christian pillars that support it

    :rolleyes:

    It really pisses me off when Christians take all the credit for civilization (and none of the blame of course) but then what can you expect from people who think that their book of magic stories is the only source of good in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Actually, his brother is made from the same mold.

    Rather poorer quality dough, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭murrayp4


    Only heard this yesterday. Very very sad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Oh dear oh dear: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/09/hitchens-201009

    If I hadn't managed to stop smoking recently I'd certainly be considering it now. Nice to see that he hasn't lost the edge in his writing anyway. With luck we might get another decade out of him. My favourite outtake:
    If Penélope Cruz were one of my nurses, I wouldn’t even notice. In the war against Thanatos, if we must term it a war, the immediate loss of Eros is a huge initial sacrifice.

    Greek God smut :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭condra


    Get well soon Hitch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Would someone please mind popping the article in here. My work internet blocks Vanity Fair because it's : "Entertainment, Provocative Attire, Fashion/Beauty".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Here you go:
    First Person
    Topic of Cancer
    One fine June day, the author is launching his best-selling memoir, Hitch-22. The next, he’s throwing up backstage at The Daily Show, in a brief bout of denial, before entering the unfamiliar country—with its egalitarian spirit, martial metaphors, and hard bargains of people who have cancer.
    By Christopher Hitchens•Photograph by John Huba
    September 2010

    JOINING THE RESISTANCE?
    The author at home in Washington, D.C., July 18, 2010.

    I have more than once in my time woken up feeling like death. But nothing prepared me for the early morning last June when I came to consciousness feeling as if I were actually shackled to my own corpse. The whole cave of my chest and thorax seemed to have been hollowed out and then refilled with slow-drying cement. I could faintly hear myself breathe but could not manage to inflate my lungs. My heart was beating either much too much or much too little. Any movement, however slight, required forethought and planning. It took strenuous effort for me to cross the room of my New York hotel and summon the emergency services. They arrived with great dispatch and behaved with immense courtesy and professionalism. I had the time to wonder why they needed so many boots and helmets and so much heavy backup equipment, but now that I view the scene in retrospect I see it as a very gentle and firm deportation, taking me from the country of the well across the stark frontier that marks off the land of malady. Within a few hours, having had to do quite a lot of emergency work on my heart and my lungs, the physicians at this sad border post had shown me a few other postcards from the interior and told me that my immediate next stop would have to be with an oncologist. Some kind of shadow was throwing itself across the negatives.

    The previous evening, I had been launching my latest book at a successful event in New Haven. The night of the terrible morning, I was supposed to go on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and then appear at a sold-out event at the 92nd Street Y, on the Upper East Side, in conversation with Salman Rushdie. My very short-lived campaign of denial took this form: I would not cancel these appearances or let down my friends or miss the chance of selling a stack of books. I managed to pull off both gigs without anyone noticing anything amiss, though I did vomit two times, with an extraordinary combination of accuracy, neatness, violence, and profusion, just before each show. This is what citizens of the sick country do while they are still hopelessly clinging to their old domicile.

    The new land is quite welcoming in its way. Everybody smiles encouragingly and there appears to be absolutely no racism. A generally egalitarian spirit prevails, and those who run the place have obviously got where they are on merit and hard work. As against that, the humor is a touch feeble and repetitive, there seems to be almost no talk of sex, and the cuisine is the worst of any destination I have ever visited. The country has a language of its own—a lingua franca that manages to be both dull and difficult and that contains names like ondansetron, for anti-nausea medication—as well as some unsettling gestures that require a bit of getting used to. For example, an official met for the first time may abruptly sink his fingers into your neck. That’s how I discovered that my cancer had spread to my lymph nodes, and that one of these deformed beauties—located on my right clavicle, or collarbone—was big enough to be seen and felt. It’s not at all good when your cancer is “palpable” from the outside. Especially when, as at this stage, they didn’t even know where the primary source was. Carcinoma works cunningly from the inside out. Detection and treatment often work more slowly and gropingly, from the outside in. Many needles were sunk into my clavicle area—“Tissue is the issue” being a hot slogan in the local Tumorville tongue—and I was told the biopsy results might take a week.

    Working back from the cancer-ridden squamous cells that these first results disclosed, it took rather longer than that to discover the disagreeable truth. The word “metastasized” was the one in the report that first caught my eye, and ear. The alien had colonized a bit of my lung as well as quite a bit of my lymph node. And its original base of operations was located—had been located for quite some time—in my esophagus. My father had died, and very swiftly, too, of cancer of the esophagus. He was 79. I am 61. In whatever kind of a “race” life may be, I have very abruptly become a finalist.

    In whatever kind of a “race” life may be, I have very abruptly become a finalist.

    The notorious stage theory of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, whereby one progresses from denial to rage through bargaining to depression and the eventual bliss of “acceptance,” hasn’t so far had much application in my case. In one way, I suppose, I have been “in denial” for some time, knowingly burning the candle at both ends and finding that it often gives a lovely light. But for precisely that reason, I can’t see myself smiting my brow with shock or hear myself whining about how it’s all so unfair: I have been taunting the Reaper into taking a free scythe in my direction and have now succumbed to something so predictable and banal that it bores even me. Rage would be beside the point for the same reason. Instead, I am badly oppressed by a gnawing sense of waste. I had real plans for my next decade and felt I’d worked hard enough to earn it. Will I really not live to see my children married? To watch the World Trade Center rise again? To read—if not indeed write—the obituaries of elderly villains like Henry Kissinger and Joseph Ratzinger? But I understand this sort of non-thinking for what it is: sentimentality and self-pity. Of course my book hit the best-seller list on the day that I received the grimmest of news bulletins, and for that matter the last flight I took as a healthy-feeling person (to a fine, big audience at the Chicago Book Fair) was the one that made me a million-miler on United Airlines, with a lifetime of free upgrades to look forward to. But irony is my business and I just can’t see any ironies here: would it be less poignant to get cancer on the day that my memoirs were remaindered as a box-office turkey, or that I was bounced from a coach-class flight and left on the tarmac? To the dumb question “Why me?” the cosmos barely bothers to return the reply: Why not?

    The bargaining stage, though. Maybe there’s a loophole here. The oncology bargain is that, in return for at least the chance of a few more useful years, you agree to submit to chemotherapy and then, if you are lucky with that, to radiation or even surgery. So here’s the wager: you stick around for a bit, but in return we are going to need some things from you. These things may include your taste buds, your ability to concentrate, your ability to digest, and the hair on your head. This certainly appears to be a reasonable trade. Unfortunately, it also involves confronting one of the most appealing clichés in our language. You’ve heard it all right. People don’t have cancer: they are reported to be battling cancer. No well-wisher omits the combative image: You can beat this. It’s even in obituaries for cancer losers, as if one might reasonably say of someone that they died after a long and brave struggle with mortality. You don’t hear it about long-term sufferers from heart disease or kidney failure.

    Myself, I love the imagery of struggle. I sometimes wish I were suffering in a good cause, or risking my life for the good of others, instead of just being a gravely endangered patient. Allow me to inform you, though, that when you sit in a room with a set of other finalists, and kindly people bring a huge transparent bag of poison and plug it into your arm, and you either read or don’t read a book while the venom sack gradually empties itself into your system, the image of the ardent soldier or revolutionary is the very last one that will occur to you. You feel swamped with passivity and impotence: dissolving in powerlessness like a sugar lump in water.

    It’s quite something, this chemo-poison. It has caused me to lose about 14 pounds, though without making me feel any lighter. It has cleared up a vicious rash on my shins that no doctor could ever name, let alone cure. (Some venom, to get rid of those furious red dots without a struggle.) Let it please be this mean and ruthless with the alien and its spreading dead-zone colonies. But as against that, the death-dealing stuff and life-preserving stuff have also made me strangely neuter. I was fairly reconciled to the loss of my hair, which began to come out in the shower in the first two weeks of treatment, and which I saved in a plastic bag so that it could help fill a floating dam in the Gulf of Mexico. But I wasn’t quite prepared for the way that my razorblade would suddenly go slipping pointlessly down my face, meeting no stubble. Or for the way that my newly smooth upper lip would begin to look as if it had undergone electrolysis, causing me to look a bit too much like somebody’s maiden auntie. (The chest hair that was once the toast of two continents hasn’t yet wilted, but so much of it was shaved off for various hospital incisions that it’s a rather patchy affair.) I feel upsettingly de-natured. If Penélope Cruz were one of my nurses, I wouldn’t even notice. In the war against Thanatos, if we must term it a war, the immediate loss of Eros is a huge initial sacrifice.

    These are my first raw reactions to being stricken. I am quietly resolved to resist bodily as best I can, even if only passively, and to seek the most advanced advice. My heart and blood pressure and many other registers are now strong again: indeed, it occurs to me that if I didn’t have such a stout constitution I might have led a much healthier life thus far. Against me is the blind, emotionless alien, cheered on by some who have long wished me ill. But on the side of my continued life is a group of brilliant and selfless physicians plus an astonishing number of prayer groups. On both of these I hope to write next time if—as my father invariably said—I am spared.

    Christopher Hitchens is a Vanity Fair contributing editor. Send comments on all Hitchens-related matters to hitchbitch@vf.com.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    To the dumb question “Why me?” the cosmos barely bothers to return the reply: Why not?

    Love this


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    He's 61?!:eek:

    He really doesn't look it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ColmDawson


    He's 61?!:eek:

    He really doesn't look it!
    I know, it's amazing. It just goes to show the wonders a life of olive oil and spring water can do for a person.


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