Is Glenn Beck the new Joe McCarthy?

Permabear · 07-06-2010 05:22PM

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kev9100 · 07-06-2010 05:49PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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That sounds lovely, but after destroying the welfare state, what do you do with the people, including children, who relied on the welfare state to put food on the table and to provide healthcare? Do you just cut them lose?

With regards to military spending, I'm in complete agreement with you.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 07:10PM

Thanks for trying Overheal, but don’t hold you breath that the hypocrites here, who wail against intolerance, would be the slightest bit tolerant themselves of anyone who goes against so-called “McCarthyism” (or as Ann Coulter describes it “The Rosetta Stone of Liberal Lies”). I’m also not holding my breath that anyone comes up with legitimate arguments that show McCarthy being wrong in most of his assumptions. But I do expect the unmitigated hatred to continue ad nauseam towards McCarthy, and Beck, and Rush, and Sean, and Coulter and probably just about anyone who has a “(R)” behind their names.

And creeping Socialism is more worrisome today of this Marxist wannabe regime then is Communism... well so far anyway. Evidenced by the method of spending happening in response to the economic woes... union payoffs, company takeovers, pet projects in election sensitive areas, etc.

Permabear · 07-06-2010 07:22PM

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Overheal · 07-06-2010 07:31PM

Glenn Beck, of all my fellow americans, hardly seems like the 'tolerant' category. And Hannity, oh Hannity

If theres unmitigated hatred, its warranted. I particularly recall listening in on the way to Costco with my Dad (because he's a listener) in about feb 08, Rush was trying to backpedal on his statement that He wanted the Obama Presidency to fail. Verbatim, "I Never said I wanted him to fail..."

Oh, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETnzur7oVA

These pundits have often been caught contradicting themselves.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 07:49PM

Overheal wrote: »

Glenn Beck, of all my fellow americans, hardly seems like the 'tolerant' category. And Hannity, oh Hannity

Okay... well then neither is Barack Obama.

If theres unmitigated hatred, its warranted. I particularly recall listening in on the way to Costco with my Dad (because he's a listener) in about feb 08, Rush was trying to backpedal on his statement that He wanted the Obama Presidency to fail. Verbatim, "I Never said I wanted him to fail..."

Hmmm, so then by that logic it would be understandable and even “warranted” for Environmentalists to spew hatred toward President Obama for, let's say, breaking his campaign pledge to end the slaughter of whales? I see today it was reported that the Obama administration is leading an effort within the International Whaling Commission to lift a 24-year international ban on commercial whaling for Japan, Norway and Iceland.

kev9100 · 07-06-2010 07:55PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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Well, are you saying you don't want to role back the Welfare State? Are you saying you don't want to slash social benefits?

Manach · 07-06-2010 07:58PM

Beck seems to be a clown prince pushing an agenda of the right the same way that does on the MSNBC are pushing their liberal agenda, albeit the former is a tad more humourous.

Overheal · 07-06-2010 07:59PM

Amerika wrote: »

Okay... well then neither is Barack Obama.

Hmmm, so then by that logic it would be understandable and even “warranted” for Environmentalists to spew hatred toward President Obama for, let's say, breaking his campaign pledge to end the slaughter of whales? I see today it was reported that the Obama administration is leading an effort within the International Whaling Commission to lift a 24-year international ban on commercial whaling for Japan, Norway and Iceland.

A link to A and B would be helpful.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 08:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

A link to A and B would be helpful.

You ask for it Kemosabe, you got it. (now tell me, does it matter or make difference, or will I just start to see visions of yabutts?)

Here you go.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/05/obama-backing-deal-lift-global-ban-commercial-whaling/

(And in case I hear, wellllll, that was only one occurrence:))
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/

Overheal · 07-06-2010 08:38PM

To A) I will say that Fox News appears to be reporting it as a failure or a broken promise. On the other hand in that same article the Administration by admission is working in a Big Picture effort to reduce the number of whales killed every year in the long run.

Nurse, I'll stop the bleeding but you Have to take off the bandage, so I can remove the bullet.

To

Politicans break campaign promises in world-collapsing shocker. Because everybody knows One Politician that never broke Campaign Promises.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 08:45PM

Overheal wrote: »

To A) I will say that Fox News appears to be reporting it as a failure or a broken promise. On the other hand in that same article the Administration by admission is working in a Big Picture effort to reduce the number of whales killed every year in the long run.

Mannnnnnn, If you believe it will reduce the number of whales killed, do I ever have a bridge to sell you.

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And there goes the yabutts. Doesn't matter if promises are broken, I thought by your argument it would be okay for hate to be "warranted" becasue of it.

Overheal · 07-06-2010 09:02PM

Amerika wrote: »

Mannnnnnn, If you believe it will reduce the number of whales killed, do I ever have a bridge to sell you.

You know some people actually thought dropping the A-Bomb would kill more people than it saved, too. The Bombing of Hiroshima ultimately caused 200,000 deaths. World War II caused 60 million.

Pragmatism is a bitch huh.

And there goes the yabutts. Doesn't matter if promises are broken, I thought by your argument it would be okay for hate to be "warranted" becasue of it.

What yabutts? The Yabutts where you turned a beck thread into an Obama thread with a yabutt? Ya.

Denerick · 07-06-2010 09:05PM

Amerika wrote: »

Thanks for trying Overheal, but don’t hold you breath that the hypocrites here, who wail against intolerance, would be the slightest bit tolerant themselves of anyone who goes against so-called “McCarthyism” (or as Ann Coulter describes it “The Rosetta Stone of Liberal Lies”). I’m also not holding my breath that anyone comes up with legitimate arguments that show McCarthy being wrong in most of his assumptions. But I do expect the unmitigated hatred to continue ad nauseam towards McCarthy, and Beck, and Rush, and Sean, and Coulter and probably just about anyone who has a “(R)” behind their names.

And creeping Socialism is more worrisome today of this Marxist wannabe regime then is Communism... well so far anyway. Evidenced by the method of spending happening in response to the economic woes... union payoffs, company takeovers, pet projects in election sensitive areas, etc.

You're cute.

Damn FDR and the bloody New Ordeal!

20Cent · 07-06-2010 09:11PM

He's done it now.
Beck is after blaming his boss Alwaleed bin Talal for 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvP_zgE_wOM

Amerika · 07-06-2010 09:17PM

Denerick wrote: »

You're cute. Damn FDR and the bloody New Ordeal!

I still haven't seen a response from the resident Progressives to the question about McCarthy. Care to tackle it?

Denerick · 07-06-2010 09:20PM

Amerika wrote: »

I still haven't seen a response from the resident Progressives to the question about McCarthy. Care to tackle it?

Its conspiracy theory sensationalism. No doubt there was some espionage and infiltration, but nothing on the level McCarthy was chasing. Furthermore his method of chasing up people (A committee for 'un-american' activities for Gods sake - the land of liberty my ****ing arse) was authoritarian in the extreme and so blatantly an act of demagoguery that it takes only a man with eyes to see the blatant ambition and populism of this otherwise struggling politician. He wanted a political niche, and by God he got it, by bringing the integrity of the United States of America into disrepute in the process.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 09:21PM

Overheal wrote: »

You know some people actually thought dropping the A-Bomb would kill more people than it saved, too. The Bombing of Hiroshima ultimately caused 200,000 deaths. World War II caused 60 million.

Talk about "deflection"... yowzah!

Overheal · 07-06-2010 09:21PM

Dude, I dont even know who this McCarthy guy is

I just came in here because I have growing suspicions that Beck has decorated the walls of his 'Frog with newspaper clippings a la Beautiful Mind.

Amerika · 07-06-2010 09:22PM

Denerick wrote: »

No doubt there was some espionage and infiltration, but nothing on the level McCarthy was chasing.

Got links?

Denerick · 07-06-2010 09:22PM

Amerika wrote: »

Talk about "deflection"... yowzah!

I think he was talking about how doing something that may in the short term cause some damage will in the long term do some good. Sorry if he doesn't talk in slogans, I'm aware its difficult to wean yourself off the outrageous nonsense of American talk radio.

Denerick · 07-06-2010 09:23PM

Amerika wrote: »

Got links?

No. I don't need them. I'm special. (And a dirty commie)

Overheal · 07-06-2010 09:25PM

Amerika wrote: »

Talk about "deflection"... yowzah!

You know this whole Deflection thing you've been doing for a few weeks now is getting repetitive. I'm happy to play by any rules you want. But I find it both amusing and tiresome when you criticize deflection, then use deflection yourself, then someone like me comes and patronizes you with your own methods, and you wind up criticizing yourself with just a couple degrees of separation.

I was kind of hoping you'd get off the Carousel and get back on the OT.

kev9100 · 07-06-2010 09:30PM

Well, its good to see another US politics thread hijacked. sigh....

Amerika · 07-06-2010 09:40PM

kev9100 wrote: »

Well, its good to see another US politics thread hijacked. sigh....

Just looking for an answer to my question about McCarthy, which is OT. How is that hijacked? (If the answer from most is the same as Denerick's, then that's okay, I understand. I really understand that and was expecting it.)

Lockstep · 07-06-2010 10:02PM

In fairness, it's pretty much standard historical knowledge these days.
Ellen Schrecker is very good on the subject (although it's beena while since I read the book)

I don't think anyone is denying that infiltration occurred during the Cold War (a time of international intrigue and espionage) But to claim that McCarthy didn't repeatedly step over the line or that his work was in any way proportionate borders on revisionism.

Permabear · 07-06-2010 10:05PM

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Overheal · 07-06-2010 11:04PM

Or that level of Military Spending. *wink*

Mrmoe · 08-06-2010 01:10AM

Glenn Beck in the intolerable mash up between entertainment and news. It is 90% entertainment and 10% everything else. I watch Fox news consistently and it it is the one program that I am unable to watch through to the end. I can watch others such as O'Reilly, On the Record and even Sean Hannity but now Beck has surpassed even SEan Hannity as being the most myopic of hosts. He doesn't even try to present any logical, fact based argument. I disagree with a lot of things that Bill O'Reilly presents/argues but he at least does it in a way that I can see his view point/rationale. Beck is an entertainer and a bad one at that but people eat it up much in the same way that people watch X factor or Americas got talent.

jank · 08-06-2010 02:39AM

Amerika wrote: »

Just looking for an answer to my question about McCarthy, which is OT. How is that hijacked? (If the answer from most is the same as Denerick's, then that's okay, I understand. I really understand that and was expecting it.)

The American Heritage Dictionary (2000) defines "McCarthyism" as "the practice of publicizing accusations of political disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence" and "the use of unfair investigatory or accusatory methods in order to suppress opposition."

Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged (1961) defines it as "characterized chiefly by opposition to elements held to be subversive and by the use of tactics involving personal attacks on individuals by means of widely publicized indiscriminate allegations especially on the basis of unsubstantiated charges

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