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FC Barcelona Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • #1802
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    redout wrote: »
    With the ridiculous talents of Xavi and Iniesta already at Camp Nou an €87m backup/eventual successor is not required this summer. It would be nuts to hand over such a fee. I reckon if a deal is done it will be closer to €50m or perhaps €35m plus Toure which wouldnt be a bad deal either.

    I know, but from an Arsenal p.o.v. €50m simply isn't a fair valuation. To them he's every bit the match winner that the likes of Xavi and Messi are. I'd be quite surprised if Arsenal were to lower their valuation, this summer at least.


  • #1803
    redout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    leninbenjamin wrote: »
    I know, but from an Arsenal p.o.v. €50m simply isn't a fair valuation. To them he's every bit the match winner that the likes of Xavi and Messi are. I'd be quite surprised if Arsenal were to lower their valuation, this summer at least.

    I really dont know about that. The Ronaldo transfer fee totally distorted the market to be honest. Not a hope he was worth €94m (though I reckon it was brilliant for Utd considering they totally undersold Beckham who made Madrid the richest club in the world). Kaka wasnt worth the nearly €70m Real gave to Milan. I honestly believe €50m for Fab would be a good and fair deal and with Wenger you have someone who understands the real value of the market. I really think UEFA need to get a handle on transfer fee's and player wages because if they do that then they wouldnt need to worry about clubs going into admin and clocking up ridiculous debts.


  • #1804
    Frisbee
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    redout wrote: »
    I really dont know about that. The Ronaldo transfer fee totally distorted the market to be honest. Not a hope he was worth €94m (though I reckon it was brilliant for Utd considering they totally undersold Beckham who made Madrid the richest club in the world). Kaka wasnt worth the nearly €70m Real gave to Milan. I honestly believe €50m for Fab would be a good and fair deal and with Wenger you have someone who understands the real value of the market. I really think UEFA need to get a handle on transfer fee's and player wages because if they do that then they wouldnt need to worry about clubs going into admin and clocking up ridiculous debts.

    £50M - £55M Sterling and we'll call it a deal.

    Next season.


  • #1805
    redout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Frisbee wrote: »
    £50M - £55M Sterling and we'll call it a deal.

    Next season.

    Well lets wait and see but remember what I told you about Rosell and his comments. I couldnt see him going to them sorts of numbers although he has plans to raise annual revenue to over €600m apparently! If Fabregas doesnt come this summer it is of no importance at all as he is not required at present and I dont think you could find a Barca fan who would tell you otherwise. Xavi is still the wizard ;). For me Mata should be a higher priority as he would be an excellent addition as he can cover for Messi and can compete with Pedro on the left which will be required with Henry's departure.


  • #1806
    Pepe LeFrits
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    redout wrote: »
    I really dont know about that. The Ronaldo transfer fee totally distorted the market to be honest. Not a hope he was worth €94m (though I reckon it was brilliant for Utd considering they totally undersold Beckham who made Madrid the richest club in the world). Kaka wasnt worth the nearly €70m Real gave to Milan. I honestly believe €50m for Fab would be a good and fair deal and with Wenger you have someone who understands the real value of the market. I really think UEFA need to get a handle on transfer fee's and player wages because if they do that then they wouldnt need to worry about clubs going into admin and clocking up ridiculous debts.
    It didn't distort the market, it re-aligned it. How can you say he wasn't worth €94m if someone was willing to pay €94m? That's how the market works. They're worth whatever someone will pay for them. I didn't see value in Ibrahimovic going for €49m plus Eto'o, but Barca stretched the market there anyway. Not to mention €40m for Villa, who is 5 years older than Cesc and in a position which typically players don't last as long, whatever crazy fee it was for the Ukrainian, etc. There is precedent.

    The key factor is what Fabregas is worth to Arsenal. If he's not worth the fees Arsenal are talking about to Barca because they already have Iniesta and Xavi, then that's hard luck for Cesc. Maybe he'd be better off staying at Arsenal if Barca just want him to make their bench more ornate.


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  • #1807
    Ush1
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    Fabregas is probably worth 87 mill to Arsenal but not to Barca, not even close, that's about it.


  • #1808
    Adamcp898
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    It didn't distort the market, it re-aligned it. How can you say he wasn't worth €94m if someone was willing to pay €94m? That's how the market works. They're worth whatever someone will pay for them. I didn't see value in Ibrahimovic going for €49m plus Eto'o, but Barca stretched the market there anyway. Not to mention €40m for Villa, who is 5 years older than Cesc and in a position which typically players don't last as long, whatever crazy fee it was for the Ukrainian, etc. There is precedent.

    The key factor is what Fabregas is worth to Arsenal. If he's not worth the fees Arsenal are talking about to Barca because they already have Iniesta and Xavi, then that's hard luck for Cesc. Maybe he'd be better off staying at Arsenal if Barca just want him to make their bench more ornate.

    It distorts the market in that, regardless of whether Ronaldo was worth his fee or not, since someone paid it, then every other players price becomes inflated regardless of whether they're worth it or even regardless of whether anyone is even interested in them or not. In other words it made it a sellers rather than a buyers market, much like a certain housing boom.


  • #1809
    redout
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    It didn't distort the market, it re-aligned it. How can you say he wasn't worth €94m if someone was willing to pay €94m? That's how the market works. They're worth whatever someone will pay for them. I didn't see value in Ibrahimovic going for €49m plus Eto'o, but Barca stretched the market there anyway. Not to mention €40m for Villa, who is 5 years older than Cesc and in a position which typically players don't last as long, whatever crazy fee it was for the Ukrainian, etc. There is precedent.

    The key factor is what Fabregas is worth to Arsenal. If he's not worth the fees Arsenal are talking about to Barca because they already have Iniesta and Xavi, then that's hard luck for Cesc. Maybe he'd be better off staying at Arsenal if Barca just want him to make their bench more ornate.

    What a load of pish posh. By your understanding then my house was worth €600,000 3 years ago and now it is only worth €300,000 which in all likelihood is closer to its true value but just because several years ago someone was willing to offer double it made it so! Wenger wouldnt be one to go by that. Not sure many would agree with you there especially anyone with any sort of financial/business background. Taking the housing example no economist/financial expert in the country would tell you that the price of houses several years ago represented anything like there true value and in fact they were all ludicrously over distorted prices hence why now I could buy a house for far closer to its true worth and not be crippled with some massive mortgage like many are now stuck with.


  • #1810
    Pepe LeFrits
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    Your house analogy really doesn't work. When exactly did the football transfer market crash? I haven't seen much to suggest that whatever variables driving the Ronaldo, Kaka, Ibrahimovic etc transfers no longer exist.

    'True value' is pish posh. Market values go up and down. There's no one value that is accurate.


  • #1811
    eZe^
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Your house analogy really doesn't work. When exactly did the football transfer market crash? I haven't seen much to suggest that whatever variables driving the Ronaldo, Kaka, Ibrahimovic etc transfers no longer exist.

    'True value' is pish posh. Market values go up and down. There's no one value that is accurate.

    David Villa, arguably the best striker in the world at the moment, went for 40 million euros. Ibrahimovic, who would be seen as being in the same bracket, went for 40 million + Eto'o, Benzema went for a little over 40 million. I think that shows the transfer market has relaxed a bit (at least until Madrid fork out 40 million for Di Maria)...


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  • #1812
    greendom
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Fabregas is probably worth 87 mill to Arsenal but not to Barca, not even close, that's about it.

    Which probably means he won't be a Barca player by the start of this season


  • #1813
    redout
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Your house analogy really doesn't work. When exactly did the football transfer market crash? I haven't seen much to suggest that whatever variables driving the Ronaldo, Kaka, Ibrahimovic etc transfers no longer exist.

    'True value' is pish posh. Market values go up and down. There's no one value that is accurate.

    The football transfer market has certainly gone through a rocky patch. This January was the lowest spending transfer window in history incase you were not aware. Clubs wouldnt buy players and the majority of deals done were loans. Your comments of re-aligning the market make no sense to me.


  • #1814
    eZe^
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    Also, I guess it's fair to see from a business point of view that Arsenal will be parting with their most valuable asset, an asset that they really don't want to sell. That will drive the price of him up to astronomical heights, like the Zlatan deal, however where it differs is in the way Barca don't need Cesc as badly as they did Zlatan last season. So I can't see them forking out the 60+ million required to sign him, all the Laporta comments on DNA and sh*t are just the side show attempt to bring the price down to earth, which probably won't happen this season anyway.


  • #1815
    Ush1
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    greendom wrote: »
    Which probably means he won't be a Barca player by the start of this season

    I don't think it would be good for either club if he moves this summer. However, he obviously has stated he wants away from Arsenal so if he stays, interesting to see how he performs.


  • #1816
    Pepe LeFrits
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    redout wrote: »
    The football transfer market has certainly gone through a rocky patch. This January was the lowest spending transfer window in history incase you were not aware. Clubs wouldnt buy players and the majority of deals done were loans. Your comments of re-aligning the market make no sense to me.
    One quiet January window doesn't show much at all. January windows are traditionally seen to be a poor shopping time.

    Football transfer values have continued to rise and rise for a long, long time, and there really isn't much suggestion at the moment that the trend has broken. The various spending plans a number of clubs, including Barca, are enthusiastically talking to the press about this summer don't really point to a leveling off either.

    In all likelihood Cesc Fabregas has many more years left in his career than David Villa does, and I doubt Villa has more marketing potential. €50m for Cesc undervalues him by comparison.


  • #1817
    greendom
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    I don't think it would be good for either club if he moves this summer. However, he obviously has stated he wants away from Arsenal so if he stays, interesting to see how he performs.

    AS long as Arsenal are in contention for honours I'm sure he will give 100%. Not so convinced that will happen if we have a bad season.


  • #1818
    Pepe LeFrits
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    Anyway, I gotta go run, so I'll just posit this:

    David Villa (28) & Cesc Fabregas (23). Let's say they both play at a high level until they're 33. That breaks Villa's transfer value cost to €8m a year over 5 years. Cesc would have 10 years; what's his transfer value a year?


  • #1819
    eZe^
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    Cesc is still potential though, it'd be like arguing that Benzema should cost more than Villa, because he's younger and has more potential. David Villa is a proven La Liga monster, he's going to slot in as a guaranteed starter, and is adding something to the team that we don't have. Cesc is being brought in as the natural heir to Xavi, but at the moment, I still think Xavi is far superior than Fabregas, and Fabregas will be bread in over 2/3 seasons. 50 million is a fair price for any potential world class player that wants to leave imo.


  • #1820
    Frisbee
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    Have set up a Cesc Transfer thread here.

    So let's keep it all in there if possible.

    Cheers


  • #1821
    eZe^
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    REDOUT! POST IN THE FABREGAS TRANSFER THREAD! :p


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  • #1822
    redout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    UNICEF has publicly thanked FC Barcelona, represented by President Joan Laporta, for the Club’s charitable work. At a ceremony in Madrid, Mr Laporta expressed his wish that the current deal would be extended.

    Consuelo Crespo, president of UNICEF Spain, and Philip O'Brien, director of the UNICEF office in Europe, thanked both the Club and the Foundation for their efforts and their “permanent availability for the alliance”.

    Looking back over the four years of the collaboration, Mr O'Brien said: “The relationship between the two organizations has grown over the years and has helped the ‘more than a club’ get closer to the world”.

    That last sentence ^ was for all the Barca lovers on boards :pac:

    Mancini seemingly wants Ibra at City.

    Ibra's agent is listening to all offers for the player though unofficially :confused:

    Pedro will sign his improved contract next wednesday.

    Reports that Ibra is staying in the same hotel as Carlo Ancelotti in Miami has the press specualting there is a deal brewing.

    Catalan press say Cesc was pissed that Arsenal rejected yesterdays offer.


  • #1823
    gimmick
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    Just looking at the Barca official site. My God, Dani Alves must have some large trophy cabinet already

    Bahia

    * Campeonato do Nordeste: 2

    2001, 2002

    * Campeonato Baiano: 1

    2001

    Sevilla

    * UEFA Cup: 2

    2006, 2007

    * UEFA Super Cup: 1

    2006

    * Copa del Rey: 1

    2007

    * Supercopa de España: 1

    2007

    Barcelona

    * La Liga: 2

    2009, 2010

    * Copa del Rey: 1

    2009

    * Supercopa de España: 1

    2009

    * Champions League: 1

    2009

    * UEFA Super Cup: 1

    2009

    * FIFA Club World Cup: 1

    2009

    Brazil

    * FIFA World Youth Championship: 1

    2003

    * Copa América: 1

    2007

    * FIFA Confederations Cup: 1

    2009

    Individual

    * UEFA Cup Most Valuable Player: 1

    2006

    * UEFA Super Cup Most Valuable Player: 1

    2006

    * UEFA Team of the Year: 2

    2007, 2009

    * La Liga's Best Defender: 1

    2009


  • #1824
    redout
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    Van der Wiel, Azpilicueta, Clichy and Bale :eek: all mentioned.

    Toure has seemingly agreed a deal with City but they are only offering €20m and Barca want closer to €35m.

    Puyol has been nominated for the "Golden Foot" award.

    Messi has been awarded the Di Stefano trophy (la liga best player 2009/2010).


  • #1825
    redout
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    Robinho for Ibra plus dinero! - Wouldnt want him within 100 miles of Catalunya!

    Renewals for Alves and Keita in the works.

    Arsenal looking for €70m now according to the Mail but none of the four candidates are willing to match that.

    Real Madrid debt stood at €683m as of June 30th 2009 before Perez joined and now a leading Spanish financial expert reckons its heading towards the €1bn mark after last seasons spending spree (circa €260m) and the talk of another €100m to be spent this summer.

    Arshavin has wrote on his website "As a child I supported Barcelona, I do not deny that. Actually I continue to root for Barca in the Spanish Championship."


  • #1826
    redout
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    Barça is sending more players to the World Cup than any other club on the planet - 14 to be exact.

    Valdés and Pedro, Piqué, Puyol, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and latest signing David Villa (Spain); Abidal and Henry (France); Messi (Argentina), Dani Alves (Brazil); Touré Yaya (Ivory Coast); and Márquez (Mexico).


  • #1827
    Lukker-
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    Chelsea would have had 18 except for injuries.


  • #1828
    Glico Man
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    Barça youngster rejects EPL to stay at Camp Nou
    Barcelona starlet Thiago Alcantara is to shun a move to England and stay with the Catalan giants.

    The 19-year-old has already made his first-team debut for Barca and is considered one of their brightest prospects.

    Thiago, who is the son of former Brazilian international Mazinho and was born in Italy, is a Spanish youth international.

    He has emerged as being on the radar of some Premier League clubs, including Chelsea.
    But he has now decided to sign his first professional deal with Barca.

    "I want to be happy, that is the main thing and the club has confidence in me," he told Sport.

    "I love Barca and that counts before everything else and I will sign a deal this week."


    Good news that another youngster wants to stay. Looked very good when he came on as a sub this season as well as the cup game vs Sevilla. Another good prospect


    Linky


  • #1829
    redout
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    Xavi has extended his contract with FC Barcelona until 2016, conditional on playing at least half of the matches in his final two seasons of his previous deal.

    Pedro has now extended until 2015.

    Toure seems certain for a move to City with the price possibly being closer to €30m.

    Ibra will cost €50m according to reports - will be tough to find a buyer at that price especially with his wages.

    The fools at the Competitions Committee have fined Pep €15,000 - absolute disgrace tbh considering the official made up false accusations.


  • #1830
    flahavaj
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    redout wrote: »
    Xavi has extended his contract with FC Barcelona until 2016, conditional on playing at least half of the matches in his final two seasons of his previous deal.

    Pedro has now extended until 2015.

    Toure seems certain for a move to City with the price possibly being closer to €30m.

    Ibra will cost €50m according to reports - will be tough to find a buyer at that price especially with his wages.

    The fools at the Competitions Committee have fined Pep €15,000 - absolute disgrace tbh considering the official made up false accusations.

    If that is how much Barca value these lads, Arsenal can be forgiven for slapping a 70-80 millin price tag on Fabregas.


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  • #1831
    gimmick
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    Toure is worth every single cent of that price.

    What is Peps fine for?


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