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Still no answers for families of Dublin and Monaghan Bombings

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  • #182
    Carlos_Ray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Carlos_Ray


    getz wrote: »
    i was only educated in ireland for one year,and what the brothers taught me on irish history was nothing like the truth,by all means i am here to be enlightened


    There are hundreds of books written on the subject. I suggest you buy one.


  • #183
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Carlos_Ray wrote: »
    There are hundreds of books written on the subject. I suggest you buy one.
    as i suspected, avoidance


  • #184
    Carlos_Ray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Carlos_Ray


    getz wrote: »
    as i suspected, avoidance


    Exactly, avoidance of giving a complete stranger ( who has an obvious agenda) a free history lesson over the internet ( which I know he will use as an opportunity to sell his own brand of the "truth" which I have no interest in whatsoever).


  • #185
    Blackjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You obviously have difficulty reading English, or rather you are reading my post through your own biased eyes.

    Tell me where in the post you quoted there is any hypocrisy? I view Dublin, Monaghan, Guildford and Birmingham with equal amounts of abhorration, ok, no hypocrisy there.

    I have no problem with someone killing someone to defend themselves - statement, where is the hypocrisy?

    Please don't judge me by your standards, or the standards of the other "RA Heads" on here

    Here it is agaon for you:
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I have no doubt collusion went on, in fact I am surprised that people are surprised that it did.

    as a military man, do you not at least have empathy for a lot of it? I'm not expecting you to sympathise, but you must surely understand how a lot of otherwise respectable British Soldiers sank to these depths?
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    if killing a killer is terrorism then yes, but lets fact it, it is all semantics. The IRA called it a war, but didn't wear uniforms. If they did, then a lot of these "Civilians" that were supposedly killed by the British Army or UVF would have been combatants.

    don't forget, there is also well documented cases where collusion with UVF informers helped prevent some atrocities from being carried out.
    Me wrote: »
    As long as you're willing to apply the same rules for all then, or is it just OK if the rules only apply to one side?
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I do, do you?

    So do you or don't you empathise with the use of and collusion with Terrorists by members of the British Armed forces, which lead to the Murder of Innocent Civilians, rather than the appropriate use of Law and Order?.


  • #186
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Blackjack wrote: »
    So do you or don't you empathise with the use of and collusion with Terrorists by members of the British Armed forces, which lead to the Murder of Innocent Civilians, rather than the appropriate use of Law and Order?.

    Er, for the umpteenth ****ing time, no I don't and I never said I did. How the **** do you come to the assumption I did from those posts?

    Christ on a bike, you are like a dog with a bone, you just won't let go will you.


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  • #187
    Blackjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Er, for the umpteenth ****ing time, no I don't and I never said I did. How the **** do you come to the assumption I did from those posts?

    Christ on a bike, you are like a dog with a bone, you just won't let go will you.

    Good.

    But you do empathise with the use of and collusion with Terrorists by members of the British Armed forces, which lead to the Murder of Members of the IRA and other Terrorist organisations, rather than the appropriate use of Law and Order?.


  • #188
    FlutterinBantam
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    Buddy!

    Since when did the battle against terrorism have to confine itself to law and order?

    It's 360 war here !!! your theory might be valid up to 1948 but not now friend.


    Fight fire with fire.


    The enemy don't wear uniforms!


  • #189
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Blackjack wrote: »
    Good.

    But you do empathise with the use of and collusion with Terrorists by members of the British Armed forces, which lead to the Murder of Members of the IRA and other Terrorist organisations, rather than the appropriate use of Law and Order?.

    Abso-bloody-lutely.


  • #190
    Blackjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Abso-bloody-lutely.

    Well then you can empathise with the IRA's efforts with the Shankill Road and Guildford bombings, given it was Terrorist means against a State that resorted to Terrorist means themselves?.

    Rules are the same remember.


  • #191
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Blackjack wrote: »
    Well then you can empathise with the IRA's efforts with the Shankill Road and Guildford bombings, given it was Terrorist means against a State that resorted to Terrorist means themselves?.

    Rules are the same remember.

    Ok. So the people killed were members of the armed forces were they?

    Methinks you are being a wee bit daft now.


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  • #192
    moonpurple
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    in reply to OP, who appears to live outside of ireland
    still no answer to who signed off on the hiroshima atomic bomb
    or the fire bombing of dresden
    or the sneak attack on pearl harbour
    the list is E n d l e s s

    the war in Ireland between 1969 and the 1990's led to three main things
    the british army found they could not fully defeat the ira and its civilian support
    the ira found they could not defeat the british army

    the good friday agreement voted in by a majority of the many flavours of Irishness brought resolution and a way forward

    just as the 1922 government of ireland act brought an end to the anglo irish war 1916-to1921


  • #193
    Blackjack
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Ok. So the people killed were members of the armed forces were they?

    Methinks you are being a wee bit daft now.

    Thats correct. The Guildford Pub Bombings Targeted British Soldiers, 4 of whom were killed, and one Civilian. This would tie in the the "A lot, not all".

    The Shankill Road Bombings Targeted Seniors in the UDA and UFF.

    Terrorism is terrorism, and Murder is Murder, regardless of who's carrying it out.


  • #194
    baalthor
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    moonpurple wrote: »
    in reply to OP, who appears to live outside of ireland
    still no answer to who signed off on the hiroshima atomic bomb
    or the fire bombing of dresden
    or the sneak attack on pearl harbour
    You want the OP to tell you the names of the people responsible for Hiroshima, Dresden and Pearl Harbor???

    They are well documemted and part of the historical record so I don't see how this helps your case.


  • #195
    Poccington
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Buddy!

    Since when did the battle against terrorism have to confine itself to law and order?

    It's 360 war here !!! your theory might be valid up to 1948 but not now friend.


    Fight fire with fire.


    The enemy don't wear uniforms!

    So, was Pat Finucane's murder part of the "Battle against terrorism"? Since the Stevens Inquiry 3 found that collusion took place in the lead up to his murder.

    The BA weren't deployed to NI to "Battle terrorism", they were supposed to be a neutral force in helping restore order and prevent the sectarian attacks which were being carried out against the Catholic community.

    The didn't do that. They aided terrorist organisations, so much for the "Battle against terrorism" eh?


  • #196
    moonpurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    total whataboutery

    for every pat finucane there is an equivalent from the other side
    .. the southern garda who gave the movements of an ruc officer on his way back from a meeting in dublin

    for every event there is a tit for tat event.. s t f u

    the northern ireland conflict is over, and if you are too young to have observed it, count yourself bloody lucky,

    now you do not have to explain no warning bombs in enniskillen to beautiful swedish women on your holidays, you can discuss football or boards.ie with them
    rather than explain why some nurse in her twenties died holding her dads hand half covered in masonry that crushed her vital organs

    thats about as glamerous as the depraved NI conflict ever was, kids


  • #197
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    moonpurple wrote: »
    in reply to OP, who appears to live outside of ireland
    still no answer to who signed off on the hiroshima atomic bomb
    or the fire bombing of dresden
    or the sneak attack on pearl harbour
    the list is E n d l e s s

    the war in Ireland between 1969 and the 1990's led to three main things
    the british army found they could not fully defeat the ira and its civilian support
    the ira found they could not defeat the british army

    the good friday agreement voted in by a majority of the many flavours of Irishness brought resolution and a way forward

    just as the 1922 government of ireland act brought an end to the anglo irish war 1916-to1921

    What would make you think I live outside Ireland? I have lived in Ireland all of my life! I was educated in Ireland and I did damn well in my Leaving Cert History!

    Hiroshima&Nagasaki/Dresden/Pearl Harbour are not in my country, 2 of which are not even in my continent and all of which are from a war my country had no part in so please stop taking this OT!

    Also the war from 1969-1990's brought to light the Irish Governments willingness to allow other nations sodemize it, the British governments sheer contempt to the Irish nation as a whole, and also the selective memory of the public to remember the IRA and not the UVF as the only dissedent groups!

    To everyone on this thread, what I also find saddening is that the memorials in the 4 areas the bombs went off are placed there by a group consisting of families and friends of those lost that day and not large memorials as are seen in Belfast and in the likes of Béal na Bláth. As I am sure people would agree every Irish citizen is equally important, and we are all equally to the likes of Collins :) I know James Connolly would agree :)


  • #198
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Buddy!

    Since when did the battle against terrorism have to confine itself to law and order?

    It's 360 war here !!! your theory might be valid up to 1948 but not now friend.


    Fight fire with fire.
    The enemy don't wear uniforms!

    And if that fire is deemed by employees of the British state to be the ordinary citizens of a neighbouring state via no warning car bombs, then what? Are they 'the enemy'?

    There is rank hypocricy here. Killing civilians is only bad when they do it.


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