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Framebuilding II - Enigma Ti travel bike

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    Laps of the deck FTW!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    Lumen wrote: »
    Yes, fat people break light stuff.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Lumen wrote: »
    Right, so now Mr Euro With The White Cervelo is lecturing me on practicality. :pac:

    This isn't about me.
    Lumen wrote: »
    Yes, fat people break light stuff.

    FWIW, I don't really like the Red chainrings, but that's purely an aesthetic judgement and they haven't snapped on me yet, regrettably. Obviously I'm too puny. If they had, I'd have upgraded to Force rings.

    Since I'm likely moving to crank power at some point the Red crankset will probably stay on the Addict.

    Are you ditching the powertap?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    Raam wrote: »
    Are you ditching the powertap?

    Dibs if he is!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    Dibs if he is!!!

    My post has an implied dibs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    Raam wrote: »
    My post has an implied dibs.

    You can't imply dibs, it must be an explicit statement. That's like saying because I'm wearing a coat I'm implying "shotgun"...tut tut.

    You can have it though, Dirk needs no power training, I go by feel, like the rules say!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Raam wrote: »
    Are you ditching the powertap?

    Probably not until all my bikes have crank power. Which is not likely to happen, ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭dave2pvd


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Once we had kids, the notion of flying on holiday pretty much went out the window. Holidays these days are stuff the car and roofbox, bikes on roof and rear rack and drive the hedgehog onto the ferry...

    Yes indeed. Bikes and beach toys for 2.5 people:

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    Lumen, some of my team-mates are using bikes built with S&S couplers. With $150 charges per flight for over-sized luggage over here, it makes a whole lot of sense. The feedback I have heard is that they work very well. Personally, I would opt for components that make reassembly straight-forward (elegant or otherwise). Also, don't use cable crimps - solder the ends instead. Oh - another 1: always unbolt your rear derailleur, as those barrel adjusters love to break.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    Lumen wrote: »
    I was fine with ferries when I lived on the south coast of England.

    Now the prospect of a day on a boat fills me with queasy dread.
    Fair point but slightly hypocritical given that you will spend time in three airports with all tue potential for fu+k ups that that brings. Plus when you arrive you will spend hours putting the thing together.
    Time for advice;
    1. Get the bike. You need one that fits and Ti custom should be good for you.
    2. Don't get the thingy that folds the bike. You don't need it.
    3. Try simpler holidays.
    4. Rent a bike when abroadm
    5. When you save money from all of this you will be able to fit power cranks to all of your bikes.

    You know it makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    I think you should buy a light aircraft. Seriously.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    I think you should buy a light aircraft. Seriously.

    I researched this a great deal about 6 years ago, and decided it was easier just to move country. Weather is a real problem for small planes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    Lumen wrote: »
    Now the prospect of a day on a boat fills me with queasy dread.

    Sea Bands FTW...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I did a bike fit and build consultation today at Enigma's premises in the UK.

    The premises are very "British industrial estate". Workshop downstairs, showroom/office upstairs. It was great to hear the chaps at work whilst we chatted over the build.

    For bike fit they use the bikefitting.com system, although I didn't sit on the jig - they just measured height, inseam, shoulder width and arm length, then fed these into the software. It came out with a recommendation of 565mm top tube, which feels about right from my experience. Also validated my 40cm c-c handlebar preference.

    Build decisions:

    - Clearance and eyelets for full mudguard on the rear, but not on the front (probably going for Easton EA90 fork @ 350g). Apparently front clearance would require different frame geometry and would compromise my requirement for racy handling, whereas the rear only requires an additional 5mm of chainstay length, 415mm in total, 10mm more than my Addict. I don't really need a front mudguard anyway, and can always use a clip-on if it bothers me.

    - Completely horizontal top tube. Apparently with round tubing (required for the S&S couplers) this will not look downward sloping like the tapered tubing on the off-the-shelf Esprit.

    - Non-integrated headset (Chris King), for the classic look and also because the head tubes for integrated ones are made in Taiwan rather than in-house.

    - A single 10mm headset spacer. Enigma normally build customs with 30mm of spacers, which surprised me, as I assumed that custom=no spacers, but apparently not - spacers keep the frame more compact, or something.

    - Replaceable derailleur hanger.

    - Bright polish finish with black decals.

    There will not be much seatpost showing, but I'm planning on using my USE Alien Ti seatpost with a similar finish to the frame, so it should look quite neat and have a bit of give.

    The CAD software is pretty cool.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Problem for any extremely bored mechanical engineers out there...

    I need to calculate the deflection of a square polycarbonate sheet of known flexural modulus of elasticity (say 350000 psi) and dimensions (650mm x 650mm x 3mm), supported at each edge, when subjected to a point mass (say 100kg) acting at the centre point of the sheet.

    Workings are not required, although a spreadsheet formula would be handy so that I can vary the thickness (from 1mm-4mm) and elastic modulus to see the effect on deflection for different materials.

    The bicycle-related reason for this request will become clear (ha ha) in due course....


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Lumen wrote: »

    The bicycle-related reason for this request will become clear (ha ha) in due course....

    Any prizes for guessing ....?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Lumen wrote: »
    Problem for any extremely bored mechanical engineers out there...

    I need to calculate the deflection of a square polycarbonate sheet of known flexural modulus of elasticity (say 350000 psi) and dimensions (650mm x 650mm x 3mm), supported at each edge, when subjected to a point mass (say 100kg) acting at the centre point of the sheet.

    Workings are not required, although a spreadsheet formula would be handy so that I can vary the thickness (from 1mm-4mm) and elastic modulus to see the effect on deflection for different materials.

    The bicycle-related reason for this request will become clear (ha ha) in due course....

    I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭lyders


    Lumen wrote: »
    Problem for any extremely bored mechanical engineers out there...

    I need to calculate the deflection of a square polycarbonate sheet of known flexural modulus of elasticity (say 350000 psi) and dimensions (650mm x 650mm x 3mm), supported at each edge, when subjected to a point mass (say 100kg) acting at the centre point of the sheet.

    Workings are not required, although a spreadsheet formula would be handy so that I can vary the thickness (from 1mm-4mm) and elastic modulus to see the effect on deflection for different materials.

    I am actually studying plate theory at the moment, so I could answer this! But you asked for a mechanical engineer, so I'll leave it to them! Also psi??? Very American! We like real units this side of the Atlantic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    lyders wrote: »
    I am actually studying plate theory at the moment, so I could answer this! But you asked for a mechanical engineer, so I'll leave it to them!

    You're just a mech eng working at really large scales, surely? :)
    lyders wrote: »
    Also psi??? Very American! We like real units this side of the Atlantic!

    Gah, Euro fail - they came from whatever materials data sheet I was looking at. I think the answer is 3mm = not stiff enough, but I'll probably try it and suffer the consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    Ok, so it seems Lumen is building something.

    I'm gonna go with... windtunnel. Anyone else got any guesses?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    niceonetom wrote: »
    Anyone else got any guesses?

    Bullet proof windows for his car


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,988 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    niceonetom wrote: »
    Anyone else got any guesses?

    Super light weight Panniers


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    niceonetom wrote: »
    Anyone else got any guesses?
    Yes - but I still want to know what the prize is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    niceonetom wrote: »
    Ok, so it seems Lumen is building something.

    I'm gonna go with... windtunnel. Anyone else got any guesses?


    url?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    Lumen wrote: »
    Problem for any extremely bored mechanical engineers out there...

    I need to calculate the deflection of a square polycarbonate sheet of known flexural modulus of elasticity (say 350000 psi) and dimensions (650mm x 650mm x 3mm), supported at each edge, when subjected to a point mass (say 100kg) acting at the centre point of the sheet.

    Workings are not required, although a spreadsheet formula would be handy so that I can vary the thickness (from 1mm-4mm) and elastic modulus to see the effect on deflection for different materials.

    The bicycle-related reason for this request will become clear (ha ha) in due course....

    Can't remember the plate formula, but something like Roark's Formulas will probably have it. The type of edge support will have a big effect on the deflection, I'm guessing these are simply-supported (i.e., as if resting on a knife-edge).

    Lyders' comment on the unit mixing is spot on, wouldn't want you doing a Mars Climate Orbiter on your scales/bulletproof glass/BatBike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭biker_joe


    Anyone here ever heard the phrase ?

    "Shut up and RIDE your BIKE !!!!!"

    :D

    Biker Joe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Recent posts moved from Broomwagon, since it's more on-topic for this thread.

    I'm building a case for my travel bike. The one from S&S is very expensive to ship and I can't get it back here with helpers in time for my trip.

    Also, it will be fun to make one my self.

    So I need to make a case 26" x 26" x 10" (sorry, I'm copying an American product).

    The candidate materials are:

    - 4mm ABS plastic, which is probably what S&S use (estimated from product weight). Likely case weight: 6.5-7kg depending on fittings. Since I could buy a case like this I'd rather do something different.

    - Aluminium composite panel (e.g. 3mm polyethylene core sandwiched between two 0.3mm aluminium skins). This is typically used for signage applications. Stiff and light but probably not very puncture proof.

    - 3mm or 4mm clear polycarbonate. The 4mm or 4.5mm variety is what goes into riot shields. Incredibly tough but a bit flexy. I can even get acrylic piano hinges to create a completely transparent case which would be useful for luggage inspections.

    - Aluminium honeycomb. Similar in principal to ACP, but thicker. Used (for example) in aerospace and motorsport. Probably very stiff and light, but quite thick which may make fabrication difficult.

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    Most of these are very cheap (around €100 or less) for the quantities I need.

    I have two choices of finishing. I can either keep the box very plain and use a nylon box cover (already ordered with cardboard box as backup) or add a handle, corner protection, fasteners etc and do without the cover.

    Top choices right now are polycarbonate (for toughness) or ACP (for stiffness). Or maybe some weird mix of the two.

    I could even use polycarbonate but add ribs for extra stiffness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    how about a large suitcase with a bit of foam and bubble wrap?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Raam wrote: »
    how about a large suitcase with a bit of foam and bubble wrap?

    I did look around for cases in the approximately correct dimensions, but didn't find anything. Most cases only meet one of the 26"+ dimensions, not two.

    I guess I could just get a massive case and shove all my clothes in with the bike, duh.

    edit: no, I looked on ebags.com and couldn't find a single case measuring at least 26" in two dimensions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭biker_joe


    Anyone here ever heard the phrase ?

    "Pack yourself into the suitcase and let your bike take the seat on the
    plane !!!!!"

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    Biker Joe


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭biker_joe


    Or two double padded wheel bags should do !! I mean this is carry on luggage yea ??

    biker Joe


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