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steelcityblues · 19-04-2010 02:43PM

I think the mainstream media in general is neither 'liberal' or 'conservative', insofar as it will always side with the establishment business and political class (Democrat or Republican) and brand people outside of this cosy elite as 'extremists' or 'fringes', or in the case of poor Ralph Nader/Ross Perot for years, 'spoiler' candidates.

They don't care one iota about regular folks and their concerns with the direction of the country and sometimes openly mock them. In their eyes, they are only useful fodder for buying too much into the liberal/conservative crap!

If only we could see a bit more of the puppet masters on our screens, as I have seen enough puppets by now:(

Amerika · 19-04-2010 05:18PM

Well, you can find loads of sites dedicated to media is biased to the left. So I got an independent study for you, which has shown people believe, by a whopping 83%, that there is bias in the media, and of which 64% said the media leans left, while slightly more than a quarter of respondents 28% said they see a conservative bias. So surprise, surprise, it’s just not me.
http://www.zogby.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=1262

And who here has honestly heard much about Cass Sustein, administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration? I’ve heard a bit of him from Fox News, but I have yet to hear much from any other news outlet? I wonder why! Well here is a little story about him from salon.com, a very liberal website. Enjoy.
http://www.salon.com/news/cass_sunstein/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein

Exile 1798 · 19-04-2010 05:41PM

Amerika wrote: »

Well, you can find loads of sites dedicated to media is biased to the left. So I got an independent study for you, which has shown people believe, by a whopping 83%, that there is bias in the media, and of which 64% said the media leans left, while slightly more than a quarter of respondents 28% said they see a conservative bias. So surprise, surprise, it’s just not me.
http://www.zogby.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=1262

And who here has honestly heard much about Cass Sustein, administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration? I’ve heard a bit of him from Fox News, but I have yet to hear much from any other news outlet? I wonder why! Well here is a little story about him from salon.com, a very liberal website. Enjoy.
http://www.salon.com/news/cass_sunstein/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein

This another example of your lack of logic.

So a study shows what such and such a percentage of people believe the media is biased towards the left, therefore that proves that the media is biased to the left.

And another study shows a certain percentage of people regard Fox News as trustworthy, therefore Fox News is trustworthy.

Do you not see how absurd this is? If you can't, then you are seriously deficient in thought.

Amerika · 19-04-2010 07:13PM

So is it your contention that perception does not have a large effect on individual preferences and choices in the political arena? If not, please enlighten us.

Fuhrer · 20-04-2010 12:44PM

Amerika wrote: »

Well, you can find loads of sites dedicated to media is biased to the left. So I got an independent study for you, which has shown people believe, by a whopping 83%, that there is bias in the media, and of which 64% said the media leans left, while slightly more than a quarter of respondents 28% said they see a conservative bias. So surprise, surprise, it’s just not me.
http://www.zogby.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=1262

And who here has honestly heard much about Cass Sustein, administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration? I’ve heard a bit of him from Fox News, but I have yet to hear much from any other news outlet? I wonder why! Well here is a little story about him from salon.com, a very liberal website. Enjoy.
http://www.salon.com/news/cass_sunstein/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein

None of your points have anything to do with fox being a trustworthy news source though, do they?

All they do is show that they will contantly attack any democract/left-wing people.

Jonny7 · 21-04-2010 01:10PM

Ironically no one appears to be siding with OP's statements, perhaps we are all just lefties influenced from the left leaning media or perhaps, juuuust maybe... Fox News is a biased right-wing network with a blatant conservative agenda. Perhaps.

If you don't understand this concept, I suggest trying to watch Al Jazeera or Chavez's tv channels to see how "fair and balanced(tm)" they are.

Amerika · 21-04-2010 02:02PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Ironically no one appears to be siding with OP's statements, perhaps we are all just lefties influenced from the left leaning media or perhaps, juuuust maybe... Fox News is a biased right-wing network with a blatant conservative agenda. Perhaps.

An irish based political forum chocked full of left leaning ideologues who don't agree with a right leaning conservative - Shocking! :rolleyes:

steelcityblues · 21-04-2010 02:49PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Ironically no one appears to be siding with OP's statements, perhaps we are all just lefties influenced from the left leaning media or perhaps, juuuust maybe... Fox News is a biased right-wing network with a blatant conservative agenda. Perhaps.

If you don't understand this concept, I suggest trying to watch Al Jazeera or Chavez's tv channels to see how "fair and balanced(tm)" they are.

I understand the OP to an extent in that many posters here don't seem to recognise that FOX isn't the only network with an agenda. (You can read my earlier post in this thread).

Better to watch all of these networks and take them with a grain of salt!

At least you can't accuse Amerika of trying to hide his politics.

Exile 1798 · 21-04-2010 03:34PM

Having an agenda is one thing. Being an outright propaganda network is quite another. Fox News is an enemy of journalism.

Overheal · 21-04-2010 03:36PM

Bernie Goldberg Vs. Jon Stewart, O'Reilly Factor

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-20-2010/bernie-goldberg-fires-back

steelcityblues · 21-04-2010 03:38PM

What about MSNBC, CNN, etc? I don't know how familiar you are with these networks, but if you are, do they not constitute propaganda aswell?

Exile 1798 · 21-04-2010 03:52PM

steelcityblues wrote: »

What about MSNBC, CNN, etc? I don't know how familiar you are with these networks, but if you are, do they not constitute propaganda aswell?

There's about a dozen very good media watch dogs that catalog the lies, half truths, distortions, misrepresentations and hate speech of Fox and Talk Radio. The fact that Fox is a propaganda operation is beyond all doubt. You acknowledge this yourself in your argument "but what about these other guys..."

Well I'm not really interested in them. I rarely see them. If someone can demonstrate to me that they are propagandists then I will accept that. Until then I'll regard them as cable news organizations who like the rest of them do a poor job in reporting important news.

steelcityblues · 21-04-2010 03:57PM

Exile 1798 wrote: »

There's about a dozen very good media watch dogs that catalog the lies, half truths, distortions, misrepresentations and hate speech of Fox and Talk Radio. The fact that Fox is a propaganda operation is beyond all doubt. You acknowledge this yourself in your argument "but what about these other guys..."

Well I'm not really interested in them. I rarely see them. If someone can demonstrate to me that they are propagandists then I will accept that. Until then I'll regard them as cable news organizations who like the rest of them do a poor job in reporting important news.

I can certainly agree with you on the last paragraph. These networks are all guilty on a certain level of concealing a lot of the truth from the public!

How many would have thought the film 'Network' would become even more relevant years after his release?

Amerika · 21-04-2010 04:00PM

Overheal wrote: »

Bernie Goldberg Vs. Jon Stewart, O'Reilly Factor
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-20-2010/bernie-goldberg-fires-back

Bernie Goldberd responds - the CliffNotes version
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-goldberg-responds-to-jon-stewarts-go-f-yourself/

Amerika · 21-04-2010 04:10PM

Exile 1798 wrote: »

Well I'm not really interested in them. I rarely see them. If someone can demonstrate to me that they are propagandists then I will accept that. Until then I'll regard them as cable news organizations who like the rest of them do a poor job in reporting important news.

I doubt even when it comes from the horses mouth that you will accept it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyGqo14WJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg_FyhkdoqU&NR=1

alastair · 21-04-2010 05:18PM

The Fox News credibility debate is resolved pretty swiftly with just two words: Glenn Beck. They're in the entertaining conservatives business, and it only makes sense to judge them on that basis.

Oh and regarding trying to pin the sub-prime debacle on Carter(!) - well, pretty much any mortgages remaining from the Carter era are so few crumbs on the table, and on the broader CRA scapegoating - there's ample evidence that the vast majority of subprime lenders who contributed to the problem came from outside the CRA-regulated sector. If you were to look for the best practise amongst the lending institutions, where would you find it? Yep - in that self same CRA-regulated sector. Whoever you feel caused this mess (and it happened under a variery of administrations), it certainly wasn't Carter!

Amerika · 21-04-2010 06:37PM

I mostly blame the CRA as the start of the slippery slope to our financial collapse. Carter enacted the CRA, but Bill Clinton was responsible for the expansion of CRA, which gave it teeth. Of course Bush Sr didn’t make things better with the passage of the Recovery and Enforcement Act and the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act. But I blame the CRA as the start and catalyst to the corporate greed that sent us on the path to where we are now - without the benefit of stricter banking regulations (which the republicans tried enacting, but were blocked each and every time along the way by democrats). Banks were making these loans, and then many other unsound loans, with the help and support of Freddie and Fannie. Preposterous yes, but the banks were making huge profits. If a CEO of a bank refused to make these type of subprime loans, he/she would be replaced by the bank’s board of directors in favor of someone who would - in order to realize the obscene profits the banking industry was realizing.

"For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost. For want of a horse the rider was lost. For want of a rider the battle was lost. For want of a battle the kingdom was lost. And all for the want of a horseshoe nail." So thank you Jimmy Carter for nailing us.

Exile 1798 · 22-04-2010 04:57AM

Amerika wrote: »

I doubt even when it comes from the horses mouth that you will accept it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyGqo14WJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg_FyhkdoqU&NR=1

That's the best you've got?

And is it a coincidence that you and the recently registered steelcityblue's appear to post at the same times, have the same writing style and seem to be engaged in a good cop bad cop routine?

Memnoch · 22-04-2010 02:17PM

Exile 1798 wrote: »

And is it a coincidence that you and the recently registered steelcityblue's appear to post at the same times, have the same writing style and seem to be engaged in a good cop bad cop routine?

Interesting comment. I wonder if a moderator can shed some light on whether or not this is an accurate claim?

steelcityblues · 22-04-2010 03:08PM

Exile 1798 wrote: »

That's the best you've got?

And is it a coincidence that you and the recently registered steelcityblue's appear to post at the same times, have the same writing style and seem to be engaged in a good cop bad cop routine?

I have only joined last week, and post (or intend to) on a wide range of topics from sports, music, personal issues, jokey stuff, etc. Amerika, from what I can see, only contributes here!

Amerika is clearly more of a Bush neo-con type, while i'm more 'classic liberal' in my politics. I think we would only agree about 25% of issues if we had a conversation in 'real life', lol!

The politics of the people posting in US politics thread is clearly slanted in one direction (if you haven't noticed) and you should at least welcome a few differing views here and respect it.

I don't see the word 'moderator' next to your profile, so cop on a bit and remember that we what say ain't exactly going to change the course of the world!!

sceptre · 22-04-2010 03:27PM

This thread has developed into one of those crummy things that the world would be better off without. And hasn't had anything to do with a fox news provided tool, cool or otherwise, for some time. Where I come from the adult playground is a lot more fun.

Soapboxing, straw manning and assertions are better off in your own bathrooms, people. Electrons are cheap but they're not free. Please try harder.

And if you suspect a sock puppet account, notifying the moderators is the good course of action. Doing it on-thread is the bad course of action.

For want of a coherent existence the thread was lost, significantly before this post.

Locked, which won't come as much of a surprise to the sane among us.

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