The Iceland Volcano Thread

snow ghost · 18-04-2010 04:58PM

LookingFor wrote: »

Seems to be a concerted effort under way by airlines and airports to get restrictions relaxed, ash or no ash. The german and dutch airlines seem to be really pushing...on the other hand, Ryanair sounds very skeptical of their 'tests'. If Ryanair is the one sounding caution about safety, you know something's wrong!

Also it has to be considered that the economic effects that are affecting these other European airlines will create a major opportunity for Ryanair.

Ryanair are probably waiting for some of the other players to go bancrupt so they can aquire their routes, airport spots and aircraft.

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 04:59PM

LookingFor wrote: »

Seems to be a concerted effort under way by airlines and airports to get restrictions relaxed, ash or no ash. The german and dutch airlines seem to be really pushing...on the other hand, Ryanair sounds very skeptical of their 'tests'. If Ryanair is the one sounding caution about safety, you know something's wrong!

so true :pac:

ragg · 18-04-2010 05:02PM

Deep Easterly wrote: »

Yep, beware the reasonings of O'Leary.

Ryanair a very profitable company. Other airlines arent so profitbale. O'leary knows that a few airlines could go to the wall the longer they are grounded

billy the squid · 18-04-2010 05:04PM

anyone got the latest katia data?

M.T. Cranium · 18-04-2010 05:04PM

Those airships are not looking quite so bad now, huh?

Seriously, I hope this all clears up soon, it's a long drive to South Africa.

ShoulderChip · 18-04-2010 05:05PM

if flights are allowed to resume again, and its up to the airlines to decide

Do you think the route from Dublin to Chicago would be considered one of the safer or riskier routes?

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 05:05PM

billy the squid wrote: »

anyone got the latest katia data?

im guessing you meant katla

but yeah, here http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html
:pac:

Deep Easterly · 18-04-2010 05:10PM

ragg wrote: »

Ryanair a very profitable company. Other airlines arent so profitbale. O'leary knows that a few airlines could go to the wall the longer they are grounded

Maybe so. Lost all respect for the guy during Lisbon Pt 2. Turncoat, not to mention his totally embarrising debate with Joe Higgins on Primetime.

M.T. Cranium · 18-04-2010 05:11PM

Listen, if Ireland becomes uninhabitable because of all this, you weather guys can always bunk in with us here at the Cranium Central, let me ask the missus how many we can accommodate ...

... umm, apparently it's one, and I have to move out.

Graces7 · 18-04-2010 05:31PM

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

Listen, if Ireland becomes uninhabitable because of all this, you weather guys can always bunk in with us here at the Cranium Central, let me ask the missus how many we can accommodate ...

... umm, apparently it's one, and I have to move out.

Nice idea; and of course with "family" there...

er... a long journey by sea too...

Galmay · 18-04-2010 05:48PM

I think im seeing some specks of ash fall in galway. then again if u look hard enough..

owenc · 18-04-2010 05:50PM

apparently ba test flight is over cork but i cant see it.

maquiladora · 18-04-2010 05:51PM

Sounds like this could all be over very soon....

London, England (CNN) -- Results of test flights show "there's no impact" in European air space from the volcanic ash that has disrupted air travel this week, the European Union's Secretary of State Diego Lopez Garrido said Sunday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/18/volcano.ash.test.flights/index.html

Dannyboy1987 · 18-04-2010 05:52PM

Rumor for a mate of mine who fly's for ryanair is it could take weeks. If thats the case a lot of people going to be out of work

Sierra Oscar · 18-04-2010 05:55PM

maquiladora wrote: »

Sounds like this could all be over very soon....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/18/volcano.ash.test.flights/index.html

Not sure if I would take the chance, why are the European Union letting corporate bodies undertake the test? Why aren't the Air Forces being used? . . .

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/16/340727/pictures-finnish-f-18-engine-check-reveals-effects-of-volcanic.html

“The images show that short-term flying can cause substantial damage to an aircraft engine,” the air force says. Continued operation could lead to overheating and potentially pose a threat to the aircraft and its pilot, it adds.

Mr Benevolent · 18-04-2010 05:59PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Not sure if I would take the chance, why are the European Union letting corporate bodies undertake the test? Why aren't the Air Forces being used? . . .

Simple. The air forces don't have many civilian Boeings or Airbuses at there disposal. It's pointless testing aircraft that won't be used in practice.

LookingFor · 18-04-2010 05:59PM

It's the airlines doing it themselves. I very much wonder how scientifically sound their approach is though. The KLM approach seemed to be simply 'well the flights went OK so it must be alright', which is pretty flawed.

I just heard Peter Mandelson being asked by a journalist why they aren't lifting restrictions given the KLM test flights, and he simply said that safety was their number one priority based on 'independent' scientific advice, and that they weren't going to take risks with safety.

There is definitely, I think, a little bit of tension between the airlines, or some of them anyway, and the aviation/scientific agencies and authorities on this.

Sierra Oscar · 18-04-2010 06:02PM

Confab wrote: »

Simple. The air forces don't have many civilian Boeings or Airbuses at there disposal. It's pointless testing aircraft that won't be used in practice.

Let KLM hand over a Boeing to an Air Force for testing and inspection afterwards. Im sure some Air Force pilots would have undertaken training for standard civilian air craft? That would go a long way in convincing me!:)

(Oh and the RAF do in fact use Boeing aircraft that use similar engines as some commercial aircraft.)

Its early days yet I guess.

peasant · 18-04-2010 06:04PM

LookingFor wrote: »

It's the airlines doing it themselves. I very much wonder how scientifically sound their approach is though.

Risking several planes (which by all accounts should be expected to be near write-offs after the test flights if the panic merchants are to be believed) is pretty serious though.

You can't accuse them of doing this lightly

billy the squid · 18-04-2010 06:04PM

latest plume forcast

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271612174.png

roryc1 · 18-04-2010 06:06PM

I'm starting to think that maybe the airlines are right to try to start flying again, really how dense is the cloud of ash, I know planes have had trouble before with volcanic ash but that is when they fly straight into it relativity close to the volcano not 500/1000 mile away like most of europe is, but then again i could be wrong

peasant · 18-04-2010 06:07PM

I have a holiday in Cuba riding on that they are right

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 06:08PM

roryc1 wrote: »

I'm starting to think that maybe the airlines are right to try to start flying again, really how dense is the cloud of ash, I know planes have had trouble before with volcanic ash but that is when they fly straight into it relativity close to the volcano not 500/1000 mile away like most of europe is, but then again i could be wrong

its not just the density of the cloud that they are worried about, it's really the particles incase they get jammed in the engines...:rolleyes:

LookingFor · 18-04-2010 06:18PM

peasant wrote: »

Risking several planes (which by all accounts should be expected to be near write-offs after the test flights if the panic merchants are to be believed) is pretty serious though.

You can't accuse them of doing this lightly

No, I don't, but I wonder about the broader conclusions reached, and how they reach them.

You might send up 99 planes and nothing might go wrong. The hundredth might be the issue.

Even a small percentage of flights with problems could produce 100s of incidents in a day. And ash risk is not a guarantee that every, or even most flights would have problems...but you only need a relatively small number to have a big problem.

I'm sure their experience and any data they picked up will be factored into decisions made about risk. But I would be more trusting of independent analysis - afterall, KLM was saying after one single flight in the netherlands that things are OK now.

Diving Board · 18-04-2010 06:22PM

Just seen press conference in UK. All the heavy hitters involved, Mandleson, Lord Adonis, Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary. They are taking this crisis very seriously at the highest level of government to repatriate their displaced citizens.
Does anyone have any idea what our leaders response has been so far?

sunbabe08 · 18-04-2010 06:23PM

i'm not sure, but i saw something in the sky today that were not clouds, it looked a very pale white and it was coming from north to south. are my eyes playing tricks on me or was this ash??

Yrag2E · 18-04-2010 06:23PM

It is not just one flight it is 10 flights. 5 BA flights. If you look back at the links and read them, you will see this. It is on the BBC news site.

I dont have an opinion of whether the airlines should fly but people around here need to get their facts right.

roryc1 · 18-04-2010 06:24PM

Flying his own plane at 30,000ft i hope.....

Yrag2E · 18-04-2010 06:24PM

Diving Board wrote: »

Just seen press conference in UK. All the heavy hitters involved, Mandleson, Lord Adonis, Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary. They are taking this crisis very seriously at the highest level of government to repatriate their displaced citizens.
Does anyone have any idea what our leaders response has been so far?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0418/martinm.html

Graces7 · 18-04-2010 06:28PM

kevin12345 wrote: »

its not just the density of the cloud that they are worried about, it's really the particles incase they get jammed in the engines...:rolleyes:

Sounds like a dangerously unknown quantity..

What price holidays, really, against any risk? There is always next year...

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