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Performance driven Increments for Emergency Staff

  • 04-04-2010 02:54AM
    #1
    Smiegal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭


    I'm not sure if this is the right area but sure Ill give it a shot anyway... Given the recent "agreement" between Unions and Government how do people on here think they are going to work the idea of linking our increments to our performance (which they have agreed to implement throughout the entire PS - without exeption).

    Again, sorry if this is the wrong area but because Im only interested in the Emergencey aspect of how the agreement would work I thought Id chance it here.... Assuming of course that the agreement will be passed at all...

    For example, how, when Gardaí cannot be messured by performance (once outside probation) can they then link their performance to pay.... seems impossible....

    Would be interested in your thoughts on this.


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  • #2
    paraletic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭paraletic


    i don't know all the details, but, the ambulance service benchmarking was on the condition that we would upskill. and we did. (but they still cut our pay)
    i assume the performance based incriments would be on some sort of condition, ie: that we upskill yearly, which we are meant to do any way.

    (btw: i am pro reform of pub sect, but in a fair way; that maintains workers rights for all public and private workers.
    the unions and government appear to be eroding those rights!:mad:)


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How do you quantify performance?

    Gardai, how do you show if a member prevented crime? Reassured an elderly person? Used their discretion on the street?

    Fire, Prevention again. Who used the least amount of water putting out the fire? Who carried the most injured people?

    Ambo, who carried out the most patient transfers? Who preformed the most CPR's?

    Totally useless in my opinion.


  • #4
    AnalFistyCuffs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭AnalFistyCuffs


    Performance driven probably means,....max work load for least budget spent. The gov't cannot expect nee-naw workers to be rewarded like a sales person hitting their monthly targets.

    Cowen, Harney & Co. need to do a weekend shift 2200-0600hrs in any large city/town to get a taste of what crews face.


  • #5
    Locust
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Locust


    I always use this as my golden one liner to my Skipper when he asks what i've done all day:-

    "You can't measure what i've prevented today."


  • #6
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    foreign wrote: »
    How do you quantify performance?

    Gardai, how do you show if a member prevented crime? Reassured an elderly person? Used their discretion on the street?

    Fire, Prevention again. Who used the least amount of water putting out the fire? Who carried the most injured people?

    Ambo, who carried out the most patient transfers? Who preformed the most CPR's?

    Totally useless in my opinion.

    I totally agree. But don't you know that somehow, some beauraucrat will somehow make it possible for the work of a garda "measurable"! Same as the OfSted did to teaching in England during the 80's/90's!


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  • #7
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    discus wrote: »
    I totally agree. But don't you know that somehow, some beauraucrat will somehow make it possible for the work of a garda "measurable"! Same as the OfSted did to teaching in England during the 80's/90's!

    They tried already. Return of work reports were done and sometimes still are. But how do you decide if a garda who did 20 people for speeding is as productive as a garda who seized €20 million in cocaine?


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    k_mac wrote: »
    They tried already. Return of work reports were done and sometimes still are. But how do you decide if a garda who did 20 people for speeding is as productive as a garda who seized €20 million in cocaine?

    Clearly it's the mule doing the speeders as he is generating revenue! :D


  • #9
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭pa990


    foreign wrote: »
    Clearly it's the mule doing the speeders as he is generating revenue! :D

    And the mule with the coke haul, has just cost the state a costly trial
    :p


  • #10
    Smiegal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Smiegal


    discus wrote: »
    I totally agree. But don't you know that somehow, some beauraucrat will somehow make it possible for the work of a garda "measurable"! Same as the OfSted did to teaching in England during the 80's/90's!

    Mmmm... That's what I was thinking alright. Despite all these cuts and levies at least we still have our increments. But with this new "agreement" the Chances of them being cut now seems a possibility too of they want to start analyzing our performance.... Don't like the sound of it at all!!!


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