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Woman jailed after sex with 12-year-old 200 times!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Antbert wrote: »
    Well... This is a technical question now. Y'know how she had sex with him. Surely on SOME level he'd have had to have been er... "willing". Whereas if the roles were reversed, that's not the case. So maybe it is worse the other way around.

    There is often a greater violence to the alternative but to be honest, there is so little study on female paedophiles that it is hard to know how violent they can be.

    I don't know that "willing" would be entirely apt: it's kind of like that horrible guy who gets a girl so drunk she'll agree to sex or just not be in a position to refuse. In both situations, whether or not willingness seems to be implied, the fact is that reasoned consent can't have taken place in either situation. If that makes sense?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Millicent wrote: »
    I think an awful lot of it is to do with assigned sexual roles and the idea that sexual women are "slappers" and sexual men are "studs". I have just found it bizarre that there are men in here effectively congratulating a child for being groomed and sexually abused. While these sorts of attitudes prevail, there will be gender inequality in the legal system.
    Spot on. This is also a factor. It all draws back to losing virginity to some extent. A girl can't hide (most of the time) whether she's lost it or not. I mean this in a physical sense. Whereas a boy can. He could sleep with as many girls and claim to each future one that he's still a virgin. Whereas a female, most of the time, can't claim to be a virgin with every single guy she is with.
    And I don't think her behaviour can be considered any worse than a male counterpart's. Judging this story in terms of the better or worse gender will do nothing to close the divide.
    True. It should be viewed as "Adult abuses, rapes, grooms and exploits 12 year old"
    And thanks for such a serious and well thought out answer. Didn't want you to think I was trying to pick an argument, I was genuinely curious.:)
    I've taken note of your posts and you don't come across as argumentative :)
    Antbert wrote: »
    Well... This is a technical question now. Y'know how she had sex with him. Surely on SOME level he'd have had to have been er... "willing". Whereas if the roles were reversed, that's not the case. So maybe it is worse the other way around.

    Alcohol creates the want for sexual satisfaction. Obviously in this case the boy was sexually maturing so all she had to do was add petrol to the fire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Antbert wrote: »
    Well... This is a technical question now. Y'know how she had sex with him. Surely on SOME level he'd have had to have been er... "willing". Whereas if the roles were reversed, that's not the case. So maybe it is worse the other way around.

    When I was that age I could be said to have been "willing" for half the day, no matter what I was doing, and the more I tried not to be the harder it became not to be.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,467 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Charco wrote: »
    When I was that age I could be said to have been "willing" for half the day, no matter what I was doing, and the more I tried not to be the harder it became not to be.

    But realistically, if Mrs. O'Bloggs up the road had grabbed you and brought you to her bed, do you think you would have felt good about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Antbert


    See I'm a girl so I just didn't really know what the "willingness" situation would be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Bonito wrote: »
    Spot on. This is also a factor. It all draws back to losing virginity to some extent. A girl can't hide (most of the time) whether she's lost it or not. I mean this in a physical sense. Whereas a boy can. He could sleep with as many girls and claim to each future one that he's still a virgin. Whereas a female, most of the time, can't claim to be a virgin with every single guy she is with.

    Technically (and sorry for the slightly icky derail) this is largely a myth. Only quite a small proportion of women experience bleeding after losing their virginity unless she experiences a tear from rough or insufficiently lubricated sex. Sorry if that squicked you out!:D
    Bonito wrote: »
    True. It should be viewed as "Adult abuses, rapes, grooms and exploits 12 year old"

    That's exactly how it should be viewed. A paedo is a paedo whether they have boobs or balls and all child abuse is disturbing.

    Bonito wrote: »
    I've taken note of your posts and you don't come across as argumentative :)

    Thank you very much.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Bonito wrote: »
    That's not a troll that's a genuine question relating to the thread :)
    Millicent wrote: »
    And thanks for such a serious and well thought out answer. :)
    Bonito wrote: »
    I've taken note of your posts and you don't come across as argumentative
    Millicent wrote: »
    Thank you very much.

    /checks forum address

    Okay, who's been spiking the Sunny Delight with Tequila again? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    /checks forum address

    Okay, who's been spiking the Sunny Delight with Tequila again? :pac:

    Feck, sorry. Um... *inappropriate joke, shout of "yore ma", rabble, rabble, rabble*!

    Better? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    There just seems to be a widespread notion that:

    Woman and underage boy - automatically consensual (unless she's not hot, but still, it's an older experienced woman)

    Man and underage girl - automatically non-consensual (physical attractiveness or lack thereof - not relevant)

    Also, "when I was 13 I'd have jumped on anything" - again, one 13-year-old boy does not speak for all 13-year-old boys.
    Little ****.
    I was at least 20 before i'd clocked up 200 rides!!
    Meaning you were about 30?
    your son, you'd still hit the roof obviously but you'd kinda secretly think, go you little stud too.
    What a load of macho tripe. YOU might secretly think it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Dudess wrote: »
    Also, "when I was 13 I'd have jumped on anything" - again, one 13-year-old boy does not speak for all 13-year-old boys.

    This. As true as that it is it doesn't seem to be a flip of girls. One innocent 13 year old does not speak for all 13 year olds. Some are going to be little tarts. Just the same as some 12-13 year old boys will be dying for it! My best friends sister is in 2nd year and one of the girls in her year is with a 24 year old male. Also, when I was on hols a couple years ago there was a guy who took a girl's virginity. She was only going 15 and he was 25 and had a GF and 2 kids back home. She somehow convinced him she was 19 :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Women paedophiles are more common that you'd think.

    I keep the following link handy for such occasions as this:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/naughtyteacherlist/index

    Scroll through and you'll see that women paedophiles are far more prolific than their male counterparts - the cases list in the 100's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭hitlersson666


    A peadophile is A PEADOPHILE!!!! age/sex does not matter and its not a joke

    /unless pedobear is involved :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Vomit


    Wish I could have gotten laid at 12... I had this hot blonde teacher. Jesus I used to fap something fierce thinkin about her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Swampy


    Probably done before but....,

    ..... Let's find the guy and give him the luckiest boy in the world award.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Swampy wrote: »
    Probably done before but....,

    ..... Let's find the guy and give him the luckiest boy in the world award.

    Oh yeah, we totally should. *Woohoo you were groomed and sexually abused by a paedophile. Way to go champ!*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Swampy wrote: »
    Probably done before but....,

    ..... Let's find the guy and give him the luckiest boy in the world award.

    Wow , thats really out there , you should have a serious look at your views and maybe stay away from kids.

    You want to give a 12 year old boy who has been abused by a 36 year old woman an award for being "the luckiest boy in the world " , as Millicent has said way that go......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    bazmaiden wrote: »

    Great episode. Annoying edit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Just seen her picture - the young lad is obviously gay then surely.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    bazmaiden wrote: »
    A Teesside woman who had sex almost 200 times with a 12-year-old boy has been jailed for nine years.

    Angela Sullivan gave the boy a pair of trainers as a reward when he slept with her for the 100th time!!!

    This is pretty sick but I can't help but snigger!!!

    Anyway full story here:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/8538638.stm

    I find it very sad that so many people on here have made light of this story. Can you imagine how messed up that kids life will be if he does not get the proper help to deal with the situation? Where were his parents who are 100% responsible for him when all this was happening? This is absolutley disgusting? Not to take from this boys horror but I wonder if people would be making such light of the situation if it had been a man and a 12 year old girl?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    lonad wrote: »
    Wow , thats really out there , you should have a serious look at your views and maybe stay away from kids.

    You want to give a 12 year old boy who has been abused by a 36 year old woman an award for being "the luckiest boy in the world " , as Millicent has said way that go......


    its a joke? from south park? this is AH.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    ottostreet wrote: »
    its a joke? from south park? this is AH.

    Do you feel that this boys horrific experience is a basis for your pathetic jokes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭bazmaiden


    Bugnug wrote: »
    I find it very sad that so many people on here have made light of this story. Can you imagine how messed up that kids life will be if he does not get the proper help to deal with the situation?


    Sometimes trainers aren't enough


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    How is it a 12 year old boy is allowed to be pissed at a New Years party, and apparently stay over then? Where were the parents?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Aldito


    Bugnug wrote: »
    Do you feel that this boys horrific experience is a basis for your pathetic jokes?

    It is a good joke in fairness...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Swampy


    ottostreet wrote: »
    its a joke? from south park? this is AH.

    Exactly. It was a southpark reference. And this is AH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Bugnug wrote: »
    I find it very sad that so many people on here have made light of this story.
    I personally don't see a problem with light-hearted jokes and irony here, what has me fairly mystified are the comments where there is absolutely no humour or irony, e.g. "the poor kid" not because he, at 12 (maybe 11?) was a sexual plaything, but because she's not attractive! Sweet mother of Jesus...

    Oh and that South Park clip, while funny, is overused just a tad - and not original any more. It's not even suitable here anyway seeing as the woman being referred to in it is hot, no?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    ottostreet wrote: »
    its a joke? from south park? this is AH.

    It's a real story , a real 12 year old kid and I don't give a fcuk if it is AH. We don't all base our moral standings on the comedy writings of a few Canadian stoners


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Dudess wrote: »
    Oh and that South Park clip, while funny, is overused just a tad - and not original any more. It's not even suitable here anyway seeing as the woman being referred to in it is hot, no?

    This. Very true. Think it was posted about 3 times in the whole thread. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 AnonAccount


    (Note: I'm using an anonymous duplicate account to protect my identity. Mods, I hope this is ok. Also, I wouldn't go through all the hassle of setting up a new account to just troll)

    I've resisted replying to this thread until now, but I simply must reply after reading through all these ignorant responses.

    I should mention first that I am male.

    I first started masturbating when I was 6. I just realised one day that it felt nice to rub 'down there' and I just picked it up from there. I hadn't a clue that it was sexual though. And when my parents found out, they just told me it should be done in private and left it at that.

    By the time I was 8 I had taught many of my friends about masturbating, and we eventually started masturbating each other. Then some girls got involved and we figured out how girls can masturbate as well. Some porno magazines brought to us by my best friend filled in many of the gaps in our sexual knowledge and we started expirimenting. I think the best day was discovering the joy of orgasms! It was likely discovering the best kept secret in the world.

    By aged 10, I was actively seeking sexual contact with others and had a crush on a few teen girls & women I knew. I would, in my own very awkward way, flirt with them and see what sort of responses I got.
    Aged 11, I got the response I was looking for from a 19 year old neighbour. Not exactly 'hot' looking, but I really didn't care. She was interested, and I encouraged it. It wasn't long before she got the courage to kiss me. Quite gentle and kinda 'half innocent' at first, but slowly becoming more sexual as I obviously enjoyed it. Within weeks we were naked, masturbating each other and I was getting oral sex. I didn't want to 'return the favor', and although she was quite pushy about it, she accepted that. I did eventually do it for her birthday as a present though.
    By aged 12, we were doing everything, and quite frequently. It only stopped when my family moved to another area over 80 miles away, and my parents to this day still don't understand why I protested so much about moving. Mobile phones weren't common at the time so we lost touch.

    Now, according to all the posts above, I was sexually abused and suffered a horrendously traumatic childhood that has probably left me emotionally damaged. But I can tell you, those were by far the best years of my life. I felt loved, had something to look forward to, and I thought things couldn't get any better. All of the boy/girls that I still have contact with from those years of fooling around with each other, appear to be normal happy adults now. All but one is married and most have kids of their own.

    So why am I a happy, well adjusted adult despite all this 'abuse'? Because it wasn't abuse. The trauma comes from being forced, or from the shame of being forced. I was neither forced nor ashamed.

    Try to see it this way....
    Intercourse can be one of the most amazing things or earth, of it can be the most traumatic, invasive and pyschologically hurtful thing. In rape & consensual sex, the physical act is identical. The ONLY difference is the consent. You remove the consent, and you create extreme trauma & shame. This applies to children as well as adults..

    Most of these stories you hear in the news about sexual abuse revolve around people who were forced. And I'm right there with my pitchfork and torch looking to maim, torture and kill those responsible for this abuse.

    Only rarely do we see a case where there was consensual sex which only accidentally was discovered. And when this occurs, we apply the same anger, disgust and hatred that we reserve for the true abuse cases. People assume abuse, they assume injury, they assume coercion & trauma even when there likely was none. In this particular case, the boy was probably quite happy to continue having sex with this woman. As for the gifts, when was the last time you bought your girlfriend/boyfriend a gift? Of course, we don't really know the exact nature of their relationship. Perhaps it was abusive. I don't know. But I'm not willing to automatically assume it was abusive like 99% of the people in this thread, and indeed in society.

    Society considers sex to be dirty and wrong. People, especially children naturally feel shame when doing something dirty & wrong. This shame causes a lot of the trauma associated with abuse. They rest comes from the feeling of helplessness, the breach of trust & the fear instilled by abusers.

    BTW, I have a unique experience in that I was sexually assaulted by a male when I was 14. I know exactly what it feels like to be abused, and more importantly, I know the difference between that and the consentual sexual activity that I was involved in previously.

    I'd also like to point out that I am aware that many children are not mature enough to consent, and would be physically harmed by many sexual activities. I do not support anything that would harm a child. But I do believe that the 'age of consent' concept is extremely flawed as some children are indeed able to consent, and would not be harmed in the right circumstances, especially when it comes to child-child sexual contact.

    I'd also like to make it extremely clear that I personally have no sexual interest in children. I am happily married to a wonderful women and have 2 children (aged 6 and 10). I am extremely protective of my children, and understand just how vunerable they are. But I'm also aware that they are sexual beings. Both my boys masturbate and it appears to cause them no harm. If they choose to 'fool around' with friends as I did, I wouldn't stop them so long as nobody was being forced.

    In summary, please accept and be aware that children can, in the right circumstance, enjoy sexual actively and benefit greatly from it. It's not always abuse. Remember, you will almost never ever hear about all the cases of consentual sexual activity that occurs daily between children and between adults & children. E.G. my story...

    I would ask the mods not to delete this post. I know it is perhaps a little graphic for AH, but it's a genuine posts based on genuine experiences and people need to see all sides.

    Thank you all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    I find what you have written extremely disturbing.
    Children are not capable of legally giving consent and there are laws there for a reason. Maybe you did not feel that you were abused, but what that woman did to you, pleasurable or not was a crime.
    Children should be children and the longer they can abstain from sexual exploration the better in my opinion.


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