Would you like a Sub forum for the Superthreads..?

22-02-2010 03:17PM

bw wrote: »

Great idea. Superthreads and match threads take up the majority of the front page.

I would even like a sub-forum for Match threads, but one step at a time!

personally I think that would be a better idea than moving the superthreads. Move match discussion to one forum and leave one for general discussion imo.

Keano · 22-02-2010 03:27PM

No

I voted yes, just for the fact that they clog up the page on me but I do agree with people who say they bring a lot of traffic to the forum.

I personally would like a hide thread option.

--amadeus-- · 22-02-2010 03:27PM

SantryRed wrote: »

It would ruin this forum. There are a lot of fans of the big teams who really don't give two sh1ts about football in general, just that certain club. You see how the place goes dead on weekends United and Liverpool aren't playing. Less people who enter this forum. Guarantee it.

Don't confuse Quantity with Quality

pickarooney · 22-02-2010 03:29PM

No

Dub13 wrote: »

Sure is,and just like Lisbon we are going again if we get the wrong answer.....:)

Except reword the proposal so that we rename the current soccer forum to 'soccer superthreads' and create a new soccer forum.

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2010 03:44PM

Dub13 wrote: »

Sure is,and just like Lisbon we are going again if we get the wrong answer.....:)

The decision shouldn't be made / not made on the basis of a simple majority vote in a thread poll for many obvious reasons. And that goes for any discussion in relation to forum policy change.

Mr. Presentable · 22-02-2010 04:01PM

mike65 wrote: »

Wrong question for me, more general club sub fora is what would work best. Re-shuffling the existing deck will be of no real value.

I agree. There is no value in a sub-forum to contain threads already existing. All that does is cost another click.

I know some of the heads don't like the idea but mike65 is and has been right: Club specific fora is the way to go, and, in my opinion, the way it will ultimately go - like it or not.

Mr. Presentable · 22-02-2010 04:05PM

SantryRed wrote: »

It would ruin this forum. There are a lot of fans of the big teams who really don't give two sh1ts about football in general, just that certain club. You see how the place goes dead on weekends United and Liverpool aren't playing. Less people who enter this forum. Guarantee it.

Agreed, and they should be given their own enclosure - leave soccer for football fans - let the banneristas go. Fewer people in the forum should not be a problem if there is quality rather than quantity.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:10PM

No

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The decision shouldn't be made / not made on the basis of a simple majority vote in a thread poll for many obvious reasons. And that goes for any discussion in relation to forum policy change.

I would agree once the vote is close we would have nothing to lose if we trialled this new sub forum ontill the end of the season,sure there is only 2 and a half months left in the club season.If it does not work we can easily go back to the current system.

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2010 04:24PM

Dub13 wrote: »

I would agree once the vote is close we would have nothing to lose if we trialled this new sub forum ontill the end of the season,sure there is only 2 and a half months left in the club season.If it does not work we can easily go back to the current system.

Or, you could look at the significant groundswell of users who are firmly against the idea; consider the (significant) potential negatives of any splintering of the forum; and consequent reduction of first time traffic / cross team discussion - and drop the idea. Even if you win the poll by a vote.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:26PM

No

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Or, you could look at the significant groundswell of users who are firmly against the idea; consider the (significant) potential negatives of any splintering of the forum; and consequent reduction of first time traffic / cross team discussion - and drop the idea. Even if you win the poll by a vote.

Yes but I must add its not our job to decide,this will be a Admin call thats why they are on the top $.

Dont be at yourself · 22-02-2010 04:27PM

Isn't one of the arguments against club-specific sub forums is that users would stop posting on the main soccer forum? I don't see how this would be much different.

Anyway, superthreads already make discussion hopelessly hard to follow and contribute to, so why not make them a sub-forum?

Iago · 22-02-2010 04:29PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The decision shouldn't be made / not made on the basis of a simple majority vote in a thread poll

I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to sort of act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...

...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...

But by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major...

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2010 04:29PM

Dub13 wrote: »

Yes but I must add its not our job to decide,this will be a Admin call thats why they are on the top $.

The Admin team are involved in deciding whether we have subforums now? As far as I was aware the mod team had to request extra subforums. They were rarely, if ever, told a forum was getting them.

Jagera · 22-02-2010 04:31PM

No

Iago wrote: »

I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to sort of act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...

...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...

But by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major...

Be quiet, I ORDER you to be quiet!

Just a question - is this poll just to get an advanced feeling of something that is going to happen anyway? I am for it by the way.

Lamper.sffc · 22-02-2010 04:31PM

No

I think its a good idea.
More room for general discussions on footballing matters. Less likely that a thread will get moved off the front page as quickly allowing it more time to develope.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:32PM

No

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Isn't one of the arguments against club-specific sub forums is that users would stop posting on the main soccer forum? I don't see how this would be much different.

Users who currently post in the super threads will continue to post in them,regardless of were they are.One of the safe guards against this new sub forum taken away from the main soccer forum is that you will not be able to start a new thread in the forum.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Anyway, superthreads already make discussion hopelessly hard to follow and contribute to, so why not make them a sub-forum?

I agree they are had to follow but they do serve a purpose,some people love them some hate them I think this proposal is a happy compromise.

astrofool · 22-02-2010 04:34PM

The soccer forums biggest mistake was allowing "superthreads" in the first place. I'd still be of the opinion to not allow club forums, but instead subdivide by league. Should give the likes of the SPL and irish league room to breathe.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:35PM

No

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The Admin team are involved in deciding whether we have subforums now? As far as I was aware the mod team had to request extra subforums. They were rarely, if ever, told a forum was getting them.

I should have said it will be done in consultation with the Admins as it would be a major change in the forum they will need to be brought into the loop.

Lamper.sffc · 22-02-2010 04:37PM

No

Dub13 wrote: »

Users who currently post in the super threads will continue to post in them,regardless of were they are.One of the safe guards against this new sub forum taken away from the main soccer forum is that you will not be able to start a new thread in the forum.

I agree they are had to follow but they do serve a purpose,some people love them some hate them I think this proposal is a happy compromise.

Totally agree. This way those who dont like them dont have to suffer them clogging up the soccer forum and those that do like them, well it makes no difference to the them as the superthread will remain the same just an extra click away.

Bounty Hunter · 22-02-2010 04:42PM

Des wrote: »

No

what he said tbh.

Dont be at yourself · 22-02-2010 04:43PM

Dub13 wrote: »

Users who currently post in the super threads will continue to post in them,regardless of were they are.One of the safe guards against this new sub forum taken away from the main soccer forum is that you will not be able to start a new thread in the forum.

But really, what's the difference between a sub-forum for superthreads and a sub-for individual teams? There could still be safe-guards where you couldn't post general soccer threads in the forum, but it would organise discussion of club-specific topics much better than a sprawling superthread.

I agree they are had to follow but they do serve a purpose,some people love them some hate them I think this proposal is a happy compromise.

They don't really serve a purpose. Discussions happen in spite of them, not because of them. They're ill-suited to debating multiple topics at once. We're all too familiar with threads being derailed by a single issue, often a single back-and-forth flame war. It'd be nice to be able to discuss - for example - Rafa's tactics, the yanks, SOS and the youth team prospects concurrently, without one drowning out all the other.

dfx- · 22-02-2010 04:46PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The decision shouldn't be made / not made on the basis of a simple majority vote in a thread poll for many obvious reasons. And that goes for any discussion in relation to forum policy change.

Yeah, but just in case, the more no voters, the better.

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2010 04:48PM

Dub13 wrote: »

I should have said it will be done in consultation with the Admins as it would be a major change in the forum they will need to be brought into the loop.

They only come into the loop if you decide to make a change and invite them in. As such, the ultimate decision on whether or not to do this rests with you and the other members of the mod team. And to that end, a public poll is not a great item to throw into your decision making process imo. People like clicking buttons, and caring about the issue or understanding it are not essential for them to do so.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:49PM

No

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

But really, what's the difference between a sub-forum for superthreads and a sub-for individual teams? There could still be safe-guards where you couldn't post general soccer threads in the forum, but it would organise discussion of club-specific topics much better than a sprawling superthread.

There is a thread going in feedback about this so I don't want to comment on it here.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

They don't really serve a purpose. Discussions happen in spite of them, not because of them. They're ill-suited to debating multiple topics at once. We're all too familiar with threads being derailed by a single issue, often a single back-and-forth flame war. It'd be nice to be able to discuss - for example - Rafa's tactics, the yanks, SOS and the youth team prospects concurrently, without one drowning out all the other.

Weather they work or not is not relevant to this thread,they are a fact on the forum for the time being,this is a proposal to deal with them and try and keep everybody happy.

Bounty Hunter · 22-02-2010 04:53PM

one of the main reasons i come to this board is the check the Villa thread. I contribute in other threads but i often only notice them cos i was having a look at the villa chat. If it was moved to a superthread forum i think the amount of times I and other like minded folk visit the main soccer board would be cut by a good margin and thus posting would drop and with it discussion of all sorts. Dont know if me posting here would make much difference to people but if others were like minded it could hurt what is a great board to read. Far better imo than most others and i enjoy reading the opinions of all sorts of fans in threads which is what you get here.

Dub13 · 22-02-2010 04:56PM

No

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They only come into the loop if you decide to make a change and invite them in. As such, the ultimate decision on whether or not to do this rests with you and the other members of the mod team. And to that end, a public poll is not a great item to throw into your decision making process imo. People like clicking buttons, and caring about the issue or understanding it are not essential for them to do so.

A admin would have to answer whether they would just take the soccer mods advice or not on this.For a major change in one of the sites biggest forums,I would personally like to bring them on board early.

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2010 05:38PM

Dub13 wrote: »

A admin would have to answer whether they would just take the soccer mods advice or not on this.For a major change in one of the sites biggest forums,I would personally like to bring them on board early.

This is still pretty muddled to be fair, the Admin team didn't suggest this change. As such, they don't have to take any advice on anything if the consensus amongst you lot is that there is no need for structural change to the forum.

I am of course aware that you have been angling to do this for some time, and you will know that I have been steadfastly against ANY splitting out of the forum any time it was raised. For me the key is in the fact that you described the change as "major" above. I do believe that it would set the forum towards something that is very different to the soccer forum on boards.ie as we currently know it. The place has problems, but this change would only serve to undermine its biggest strengths.

And finally as for whether to embark down such a road or not, such a decision should be made by those who understand the forum the best. And those people are the current mods. It shouldn't be left to Admins who pop their head in here occasionally, nor should it be left to a vox pop of the users as they often will not (nor should they be expected to) think outside of their own preferences in terms of the forum they'd like to inhabit.

astrofool · 22-02-2010 05:44PM

I'd disagree with almost everything LuckyLloyd has said above. If the soccer mod/admin team had the wherewithall to do it, the soccer forum would have been subdivided in some way years and years ago, and have a much larger community as a result. As it is, more have left than have stayed, and we get the same tired arguments week after week in the superthreads dominating the forum.

leninbenjamin · 22-02-2010 05:47PM

Posted my opinion on this in the feedback thread, should have probably posted it here in the first place.

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I see the other proposal is to split the superthreads off into a new sub forum. But I can't see how that will make much difference either. You're effectively splitting the existing community right down the middle between those who want to engage outside their own team and those who don't. It'll make the main forum appear neater but I don't think will change the dynamic of the forum much tbh. All I see it offering is worst of both worlds, the insularity of team sub forums coupled with the factionalized match day discussions.

Jazzy · 22-02-2010 06:09PM

no. im finding it more interesting watching people dribble on their keyboards

Would you like a Sub forum for the Superthreads..?

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